I think that in Luke 7:29-30, the fact that they hadn't been baptized affected their attitude towards the Lord Jesus Christ.
BAPTISM SAVES, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS"
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No...flesh is flesh in every context.
But I see you don't really want to talk about what the symbolism was actually about throughout the entire history of baptism, and only want to go on and on about the unrelated make up of the setting in which it occurred...so, never mind.
There are many who believe that baptism is the point of salvation, where we come in contact with the blood of Jesus and are forgiven of our sins and when we receive the Holy Spirit. Talking to a church of Christ friend the other day and we discussed baptism.
Acts 2:38: Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
1 Peter 3:21: and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Acts 22:16: And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.'
Mark 16:16: Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
church of Christ believes that the "for" (Eis) means "for the purpose of" in Acts 2:38. So, Baptism then would be for the purpose of "remission of sins" and where we come in contact with the blood of Jesus, with their interpretation of Scripture. Baptism is also how one gets "into / puts on Christ" (Galatians 3:27). Also, baptism is what "adds you to the church". Faith/belief/repentance does not add you to the church unless you've been baptized.
Where we currently live, this doctrine is very popular. What are your thoughts on this matter?
Baptism with water IMO, is a VISIBLE, event, that ANY man can Observe, SEE, be a Witness to the Event, of "another person", Outwardly claiming an acceptance of being PREPARED, for the acceptance of an "INTERNAL" spiritual Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
John the Baptist came teaching of the "water" Baptism.
Men were eagerly willing to participate in John's "water" Baptism.
As more information was revealed in Scripture, we find, "the PRECEPT" was not clearly understood by men "accepting" to participate in "Water Baptism".
While Clerics had historically "WASHED" their "OUTER" bodies, before entering the Temple....in an effort to be entering Gods Holy Temple, in a PURIFIED CLEAN fashion...
Their "outer" cleansing, DID ONLY remove dust, dirt and grime. It DID NOT "purify" them "INTERNALLY".
Many scriptures are specifically speaking to:
The OUTER cleansing, is a Foreshadow, of the INTERNAL cleansing, which is Spiritual, and UNSEEN by any man.
While the OUTER cleansing, historically, was observed, as a man being MADE "purified"...
Jesus Himself revealed....
BEWARE...Observing a man Cleansed on the OUTSIDE...does not always mean....the man IS Prepared to be ... or the man has ACCEPTED TO BE Cleansed Spiritually on the INSIDE.
IN short; The Lesson is...
Observing a man being dipped in Water...
Is only an "INDICATION" a man CAN Observe, that the man "APPEARS" to be accepting the "INTERAL cleansing of the Holy Spirit"...
So thus, men are WARNED...
To OBSERVE the "water Baptized mans BEHAVIOR"....after he has participated in a "WATER Baptism"....
That such man "MAY or MAY NOT" have RECEVED, Gods INTERNAL Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
The ONE PRIMARY indicator IS:
A man WHO HAS received Gods INTERNAL Baptism of the Holy Spirit;
IS a man WHO CAN NEVER Again, question, challenge, or proclaim DISBELIEF, IN God /
IN CHRIST the Lord JESUS.
God Bless,
Taken
That it will happen is basically a given if repentance was involved in Acts 2:38-39 baptism in water in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
By applying water, spiritual regeneration doesn't happen automatically. But clearly in Acts 2 those who gladly received the word were baptised.
Right. There must be the element of repentance and faith in the operation of God; and the water baptism must be for the remission of sins.
The idea is because of something that is already true, rather than in order somehow to attain the remission of sins.
I do see it always as a symbol; the regeneration I would see from Scripture as being at a different time, liked with the work of the Spirit and the exercise of faith.
I believe that regeneration can come as a direct result of the water baptism spoken of in Acts 2:38-39, the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who fulfill every condition to the promise.
I understand it: it is on account of the remission of sins by exercised faith that has already occurred that the symbol of baptism is received.
'For' in English can sometimes be misleading.
That's what the RCC and EOC (plus some others) believe. But that is simply not true.
"Born of water" is a reference to the water of the Word of God -- the Gospel, and Peter (who should know better than anyone else) makes this crystal clear:
1 PETER 1
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Acts 2:38-39 does not mention Baptism in WATER.
So, what are you talking about "water baptism"?
Glory to God,
Taken
In the context of Acts 2:38-39, it says that 3,000 souls were added to the church that day. How did they do the counting? Faith is invisible to the human eye.
It should only be obvious that Peter baptized in water the same as John the Baptist baptized in water. That is what is normally being referred to when baptism is mentioned in scripture.
#1, that the RCC and the EOC promote this doctrine does not neccessarily make it untrue.
#2, follow my line of reasoning: the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised (Acts 2:38-39 (kjv)) to those who repent and receive baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins. Does not regeneration happen when we receive the Holy Spirit?
I tend to take the scriptures literally, believing that God means what He says. I believe that the people who penned the Holy Bible did so using great plainness of speech.
It's good to examine the context and compare Scripture with Scripture.
