The Rapture Lie

[Taken]

See post #274

Try prayerfully reading the opening posts.
I'm afraid you will find yourself sadly dissipated if you are waiting for some rapture out of trouble.

I do not need to assume your fears.
Nor do I have the need to preach those in disagreement with me have fallen prey to a hoax or bucket of lies.

You have been hoaxed my friend in a huge way...

My knowledge has come from Scripture and my Understanding from the Lord...unlike some others who have admittedly shopped around reading others mens thoughts and words, believing, not believing, hanging on what others have said God Word MEANS and themselves deciding what Gods Word Means.

I have nothing to lose, you do if you are expecting some sudden deliverance .

I have nothing to lose by Trusting God.
Something I gain is to have the Worlds INDIGNATION heaped upon me....BECAUSE I chose to Drink from SAME CUP Jesus drank of.

But no matter...Vengence Belongs to the Lord, and His CUP of INDIGNATION shall be poured out on the WORLD.....and I trust His WORD IS TRUE....neither He nor those WITH HIM, shall be standing ON THE EARTH when HE is pouring out His INDIGNATION.

And Yes, I do believe when the Lord ACTS, He IS QUICK, and those who are NOT Prepared will suffer the Consequences of HIS Indignation.

Never mind though, I and others will be here to help you pick up the pieces again.

I rather Believe Speaking Gods Word and His Plan for mankind is a SERIOUS Subject, and FYI, you are NOT my Savior.

( but actually, by then I am sure they will have removed all communication between each other world wide.. better get prepared now. )

Get Prepared? Like you? Teaching Gods Deliverance is a HOAX? No thanks.

I am Prepared according to Gods WAY that He has provided for me.

Matt 20:
[22] But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.


Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful...

1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Rom 12: [19] Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Heb.10

1. [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Rev.14

1. [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

If it be your choice to be on the earth slurping up Gods Cup of Indignation...I surely do not fault you for your choice, nor do I find it validated in Scripture that the Lord claiming His OWN, a Hoax.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Nancy]

There is no "if perhaps" about Bible truth. Once Christians understand the reasons for the Resurrection/Rapture, they can fully believe why it is a divine necessity and an important Bible doctrine.

Why would you say the rapture is a divine necessity?

 

[Helen]

So the bible's one be a hoax?

Now why say something as silly as that!! Good grief.
I said nothing of the sort. This thread is about the 'rapture'.

Some mens interpretation of other mens 'so called' revelation of scripture, is though.

I never came up with 'the rapture' via the word of God...I was taught it by men.
I wonder just how many ( if ever they could be honest) can say that they came to believe in the rapture by divine revelation , with no outside influence of men at all? I doubt that 95% heard it from the holy spirit , but over some pulpit or on some cassette, or reading some hype in a book.

But, no matter ...our opinions don't matter. Time will indeed tell.

 

[Nancy]

Now why say something as silly as that!! Good grief.
I said nothing of the sort. This thread is about the 'rapture'.

Some mens interpretation of other mens 'so called' revelation of scripture, is though.

I never came up with 'the rapture' via the word of God...I was taught it by men.
I wonder just how many ( if ever they could be honest) can say that they came to believe in the rapture by divine revelation , with no outside influence of men at all? I doubt that 95% heard it from the holy spirit , but over some pulpit or on some cassette, or reading some hype in a book.

But, no matter ...our opinions don't matter. Time will indeed tell.

WORD sister HiHelen! LOL!!! It was certainly taught to me by men...I did believe it for a very long time. Since becoming more of a "Barean", scripture reveals something different to me now.

 

[Helen]

WORD sister HiHelen! LOL!!! It was certainly taught to me by men...I did believe it for a very long time. Since becoming more of a "Barean", scripture reveals something different to me now.

For me, some brother said ..."Go through the bible and check all the root meanings ...and then tell me what you think of the rapture doctrine. "
I found the verses that 'say' that they are rapture verses are weak.
When I question friends who said they believed in the rapture, I found that they too had been- 'taught that it was what the bible said, so they believed it. '
The more I studied and checked , the less I believed it.
But, it gives many comfort believing in it. When a friend said to me the other day about how bad the world was getting...but, 'never mind , Jesus will soon rapture us out of it. ' I didn't say " You hope"...I just smiled at her and said, ' we'll see, but we had better be ready to be here for the duration.'

And, indeed we will see, ( or not see, as the case may be :) )

 

[Enoch111]

Since becoming more of a "Barean", scripture reveals something different to me now.

*Bareans* focus on barometric pressure, while Bereans focus on Scripture.

I see a high pressure system approaching over your city.:cool:

 

[Nancy]

*Bareans* focus on barometric pressure, while Bereans focus on Scripture.

I see a high pressure system approaching over your city.:cool:

U 2 phuneeeee! Spelling police is cruising! lol.

 

[Enoch111]

Why would you say the rapture is a divine necessity?

In order to understand the divine necessity of the Rapture, one needs to understand God's plan of salvation fully. God did not simply save sinners from Hell. His ultimate goal was to guarantee that every child of God is as perfect as Christ for all eternity. And the perfection of the saints demands the Resurrection/Rapture.

1 JOHN 3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

 

[Helen]

U 2 phuneeeee! Spelling police is cruising! lol.

Haha!! He has caught me out many times now. He missed one of mine on another thread...I had time to change the word when I saw it in someone's quote

It is nice to laugh once in a while.
I read you post..and didn't even notice it...I don't know the difference.

Thank you @Enoch111 you give is a good giggle..keep it up! :)

 

[Nancy]

Haha!! He has caught me out many times now. He missed one of mine on another thread...I had time to change the word when I saw it in someone's quote

It is nice to laugh once in a while.
I read you post..and didn't even notice it...I don't know the difference.

Thank you @Enoch111 you give is a good giggle..keep it up! :)

He is a witty one, that @Enoch111 ;)

 

[Nancy]

In order to understand the divine necessity of the Rapture, one needs to understand God's plan of salvation fully. God did not simply save sinners from Hell. His ultimate goal was to guarantee that every child of God is as perfect as Christ for all eternity. And the perfection of the saints demands the Resurrection/Rapture.

1 JOHN 3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

The problem I have mostly, with the rapture, is the timing of it in scripture. "The last Trump..." I Corinthians 15: 51- 52 , Rev.11:15 ... I don't know anything for sure but, I tend to be a Mid or Post Tribber. ♥

 

[mjrhealth]

For me, some brother said ..."Go through the bible and check all the root meanings ...and then tell me what you think of the rapture doctrine. "
I found the verses that 'say' that they are rapture verses are weak.
When I question friends who said they believed in the rapture, I found that they too had been- 'taught that it was what the bible said, so they believed it. '
The more I studied and checked , the less I believed it.
But, it gives many comfort believing in it. When a friend said to me the other day about how bad the world was getting...but, 'never mind , Jesus will soon rapture us out of it. ' I didn't say " You hope"...I just smiled at her and said, ' we'll see, but we had better be ready to be here for the duration.'

And, indeed we will see, ( or not see, as the case may be :) )

I would just say when Jesus confirms it is true i will believe it, but than i will be called an Idiot, so an Idiot I will remain.

 

[Helen]

I would just say when Jesus confirms it is true i will believe it, but than i will be called an Idiot, so an Idiot I will remain.

Well, we in in some good company! :)

 

[mjrhealth]

Well, we in in some good company! :)

I dont feel so lonely now. mind you im never alone Jesus is always with us.

 

[CoreIssue]

Study the Bible. Trumpets are used throughout the Bible to announce things and conclude things.

The last trump is not the seventh trumpet, Which sounds admin trib, not at the second coming.

Revelation 11:15 ESV / 8 helpful votes
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.” - Mid-tribulation.

1 Corinthians 15:52 ESV / 13 helpful votes
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.


1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 ESV / 4 helpful votes
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:31 ESV / 4 helpful votes
And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Enoch111]

The problem I have mostly, with the rapture, is the timing of it in scripture. "The last Trump..." I Corinthians 15: 51- 52 , Rev.11:15 ... I don't know anything for sure but, I tend to be a Mid or Post Tribber. ♥

This dilemma is easily resolved:

1. The trumpet for salvation CANNOT BE the trumpet for damnation. The trump of God for the saints has nothing to do with the final trumpet judgment which heralds severe judgments on the unsaved.

2. God has not only saved us from Hell but from His wrath. Tribulation = wrath is reserved for the disobedient and unrighteous:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile... (Rom 2:8,9).

 

[mjrhealth]

2. God has not only saved us from Hell but from His wrath. Tribulation = wrath is reserved for the disobedient and unrighteous:

And there will be a lot of "christians" among them.

 

[Taken]

It is all about trusting Him through trials and
TRIBULATION. Is He unable to protect us, feed us and shelter us against His own wrath? I would think so! We trust Him no matter what is happening around us, or we do not. If we are not ALWAYS being built up in the faith, we will be weak and our faith could be shattered. As far as I am concerned, if perhaps the rapture IS true, it would just be the cherry on the top ;)

If a person has Become Converted, they have accepted they will be treated as Jesus was treated, BY THE WORLD. They will be loved by a few, and many others will treat them with contempt, cheat them, be unjust toward them, lie to them, hate them, even kill them....which IS their trials and tribulations.
His Promise IS to Be their Comforter.

His Promise IS also, to remove His People from the earth, Leave those ON earth who have rejected Him, treated His People poorly, and Pour out His own Wrath upon the Earth and His Indignation upon the them, to Avenge whet His Own People had to endure.

There was NO "protection" "stopping", when Jesus was scorned, spit on, imprisoned, beaten, stipped naked and hung on a wooden stake....He suffered and endured the Worlds Indignation.

His own cup of Indignation and wrath is already Prepared FOR the scoffers OF the World.....and it is NOT for the Lord or His People....Just as it was NOT for Noah and His Family who were Saved and Raised up above the earth when the Lords Wrath was upon the earth with WATER....Next time it will be the Lords Wrath upon the earth with BLOOD, Darkness, Pestilence, Famine, Wars, and FIRE.

God has APPOINTED many things unto mankind....and a few have been excepted being from being APPOINTED to His Wrath.

1 Thes 5:

[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ...

Why some people who claim to TRUST God, but yet do not TRUST Gods "appointments" and "exceptions", is disturbing to me.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[mjrhealth]

Why some people who claim to TRUST God, but yet do not TRUST Gods "appointments" and "exceptions", is disturbing to me.

Than I guess you missed it,

Psa 91:2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Psa 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
Psa 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Psa 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
Psa 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Psa 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
Psa 91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
Psa 91:15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

What is more disturbing is that so many claim to have faith but want to run away at the first sign of trouble. We will be where He wants us to be for whatever reason he chooses, Who are we to argue.

 

[Taken]

Than I guess you missed it,

Psa 91:2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Psa 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
Psa 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Psa 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
Psa 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Psa 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
Psa 91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
Psa 91:15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

No, I didn't miss "it".
I am not "disturbed" by my own submission to God and my trusting His Word...

What is more disturbing is that so many claim to have faith but want to run away at the first sign of trouble.

More disturbing? THAT IS what I was speaking of......MEN claiming they TRUST GOD....WHILE THEY ALSO exhitibt....THEY DO NOT TRUST GOD.

It's CALLED "LIP SERVICE".

"LIP SERVICE" appeases MEN.
It is so grand and wonderful for A MAN to "HEAR" Another MAN "confess" BELIEF in God. And disappointing / disturbing to hear the SAME MAN disTRUSTING God and His Word.... THAT IS what I was calling DISTRUBING.

We will be where He wants us to be for whatever reason he chooses, Who are we to argue.

It is not about "arguing". It is about "noticing".

No "mankind" SHALL not ALL BE what Pleases God.

What would be Pleasing to God IS THAT ALL of MANKIND would CHOOSE TO BELIEVE and TRUST and BECOME SAVED UNTO HIM.

The FACT IS; Gods WILL will be done.

ALL of mankind WILL Believe....but NOT ALL of Mankind WILL be Saved.

All of Mankind is GIVEN FREEWILL, to MAKE their OWN Choices.

And ALL of Mankind WILL EXPERIENCE the Consequences of their own Choices.

God IS NOT a LIAR. Consequences WILL prevail for every choice a man Freely chooses to make.

Some men SHALL recieve the Consequence of Being Raised UP to eternal Life WITH the Lord, while others SHALL recieve the Consequence of Being Raise to eternal Damnation WITHOUT the Lord.

All in a Days Work of thee Lord, Who shall Judge the QUICK (with His Spirit) and the DEAD (without His Spirit).

God Bless,
Taken