Believers stay righteous through their obedience

[justbyfaith]

@mjrhealth...

You appear to be espousing an objective Christianity that does not hold the word of God to be His revelation to us of who He is...

I would say to you about that, that God has revealed Himself to us in His word (Psalms 138:2)...and He does not deceive us in what He tells us about His nature and character when we read it to find out.

 

[mjrhealth]

You appear to be espousing an objective Christianity that does not hold the word of God to be His revelation to us of who He is...

I would say to you about that, that God has revealed Himself to us in His word (Psalms 138:2)...and He does not deceive us in what He tells us about His nature and character when we read it to find out.

No it is christianity and men that has made that claim that the bible is the word of God, and because of it, no one Goes to God, you all claim to seek the truth, but so few are willing to go to the one who is the truth. so many claim to love Christ yet when you ask them to go to Him they all find reason to run away, that is why so few Know Him.

I shall have no other Gods before me,.. you are holding onto one and it is keeping you from Him,

Why wont you go to Him...?? How does one serve a master they do not speak to.

 

[justbyfaith]

No it is christianity and men that has made that claim that the bible is the word of God, and because of it, no one Goes to God, you all claim to seek the truth, but so few are willing to go to the one who is the truth. so many claim to love Christ yet when you ask them to go to Him they all find reason to run away, that is why so few Know Him.

I shall have no other Gods before me,.. you are holding onto one and it is keeping you from Him,

Why wont you go to Him...?? How does one serve a master they do not speak to.

It's alright man...keep judging my relationship with Christ as though it were completely absent...you don't even know me and I think that I don't even know you.

 

[justbyfaith]

However I would extend to you an invitation of friendship, if you might be able to put aside all of the condemning comments and really discuss the issues...such comments as, "You don't even pray to the Lord, and you don't even have a relationship with Him because you are abiding in His word and hold it to be authoritative."

 

[Helen]

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[mjrhealth]

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Amen

 

[mjrhealth]

However I would extend to you an invitation of friendship, if you might be able to put aside all of the condemning comments and really discuss the issues...such comments as, "You don't even pray to the Lord, and you don't even have a relationship with Him because you are abiding in His word and hold it to be authoritative."

Well funny thing, when a friend sees a friend drowning one would hope they would jump in to save you, besides it is you is saying I am not a friend simply because I wont agree with your perceived ideas of what is true, and on top of that, I never said you dont pray to God, you did. Many men have died and many more have lost there jobs because they refused to be a part of mens ideas and sought the truth, if still happens in the realms of science, archeology, religion, paleontology. geology. Will never change.

are abiding in His word and hold it to be authoritative."

change that to "bible" doesnt quiet sound the same does it.

Teh truth is in Christ if you really want it, He does answer those who ask.

Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

 

[mjrhealth]

and i guess here is more or less the result,


i mean good luck with the exegesis here huh?

Well do you know why the romans put people on the cross, it wasnt to tickle there feet. As for that law, next time you sin, why dont you do as the law says, and find yourself a lamb, perfect and without blemish, and slay it , than pour the blood out upon te halter. Than you can ask God if your sins are forgiven because of what you have done. Teh only answer you will get from God , is no, because what you did never could never did fill the requirements of the law, and that is why. He sent Jesus, to fulfill the law perfectly, so that He could become the sacrificial lamb for all men. and to complete the requirements of the law, so that the Israelite would no longer have to do what could not do anything, and so that we had a way to God.

Wadr....

 

[justbyfaith]

and on top of that, I never said you dont pray to God, you did

Actually I never would have said that I don't pray to God because I do.

You said:

I shall have no other Gods before me,.. you are holding onto one and it is keeping you from Him,

Why wont you go to Him...?? How does one serve a master they do not speak to.

That is at the very least an implication that I do not speak to the Lord (i.e. pray to Him).

But whatever...you want to judge that it isn't loving for me to go by my heritage given to me in Isaiah 54:17 and yet it is loving for your tongue to rise up against me in judgment.

Hypocrite (Matthew 23).

You claim a relationship with the Lord while denying that His word is even true.

You said:

besides it is you is saying I am not a friend simply because I wont agree with your perceived ideas of what is true,

No, that is a misrepresentation. I said that you don't even know me. Because if you knew me you would know that I have a relationship with the Lord Jesus.

There are a few people on these boards who do not agree with my "perceived ideas of what is true", and I consider them friends. What I am taking issue with is your snap judgments that because I hold His word to be true and authoritative, you seem to think that I don't have a real relationship with the Lord.

Perhaps you are trying to switch the condemnation that belongs to you back on those whom you think are condemning you over your rejection of scripture. In all reality, the reason for your condemnation is found in John 3:18-21. The word of the Lord is a light (Psalms 119:105) and you do not appear to love that light for you seem to me to be rejecting it as the authority on how you are to perceive the Lord. However, He has magnified His word above all his name (Psalms 138:2).

You said:

change that to "bible" doesnt quiet sound the same does it.

The truth is in Christ if you really want it, He does answer those who ask.

Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Funny how you have picked and chosen a scripture out of the "Bible" to make your point and yet you do not hold the whole of God's word to be authoritative. I expect that you love to go to a smorgasborg for lunch...you can pick and choose what you want to eat (or choose to feed what you want to other people whom you deem inferior) and reject anything you don't like. However, this statement very likely went over your head.

 

[bbyrd009]

Well do you know why the romans put people on the cross, it wasnt to tickle there feet. As for that law, next time you sin, why dont you do as the law says, and find yourself a lamb, perfect and without blemish, and slay it , than pour the blood out upon te halter. Than you can ask God if your sins are forgiven because of what you have done. Teh only answer you will get from God , is no, because what you did never could never did fill the requirements of the law, and that is why. He sent Jesus, to fulfill the law perfectly, so that He could become the sacrificial lamb for all men. and to complete the requirements of the law, so that the Israelite would no longer have to do what could not do anything, and so that we had a way to God.

Wadr....

and you believe that all that up there somehow means that you do not need to pick up your cross and follow mjr?

and i guess we don't even need to get into the misunderstanding @ "the law" up there, i have no such law that applies to me when i sin--civil nor religious--bc we have a remedy for that now, huh, even if you choose not to avail yourself of it
Ps, i don't have to do any penance either!

Oh I certainly do, and I dont have any theology, I am not a learned man, God isnt going to ask me if I know the bible, just that I know His son.

the One you have openly denied following, iow
"don't keep the law, don't pick up your cross," etc

i mean no offense here mjr, but "what does the antichrist say?"

 

[mjrhealth]

i mean no offense here mjr, but "what does the antichrist say?"

Mean no offense byrd, can only put it as you wrote in ur own words

20No Son of Man may die for another's sins; the soul that sins will die. This scripture has not been annulled, mjr

Heb_10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Rom_5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

and than this bit

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Yes we know what the devil says,

JEsus did not die for the sins of man, so go and save yourself.

 

[brakelite]

Mean no offense byrd, can only put it as you wrote in ur own words



Heb_10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Rom_5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

and than this bit

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Yes we know what the devil says,

JEsus did not die for the sins of man, so go and save yourself.

I think we need to come to an understanding of who died on that cross. Byrd is right...a human sacrifice simply doesn't cut it. So if someone did die, and scripture surely says someone did, and that that death was a propitiation, then someone died instead of me, and it was my sin that nailed Him to the cross. So who...sorry , Who died? The Son of God.
But the Son of God was just a man wasn't He? Ahhh, some will say. He had the Spirit of God in Him, and He was God before He became a man.
But then some smart alec will come along and say, "Hey! God is immortal! How can God die?" Which is a good question. Which leaves us with a human sacrifice doesn't it. Or does it?

 

[bbyrd009]

I think we need to come to an understanding of who died on that cross. Byrd is right...a human sacrifice simply doesn't cut it. So if someone did die, and scripture surely says someone did, and that that death was a propitiation, then someone died instead of me, and it was my sin that nailed Him to the cross. So who...sorry , Who died? The Son of God.
But the Son of God was just a man wasn't He? Ahhh, some will say. He had the Spirit of God in Him, and He was God before He became a man.
But then some smart alec will come along and say, "Hey! God is immortal! How can God die?" Which is a good question. Which leaves us with a human sacrifice doesn't it. Or does it?

let mjr have his human sacrifice, and his denial of the cross imo. He can even call that Christianity if he wants to. No Son of Man may die for another's sins; the soul that sins still dies. Nehushtan isn't going anywhere until the Priest breaks him up. No one can deflect Scripture away lightly imo

 

[bbyrd009]

if you might be able to put aside all of the condemning comments and really discuss the issues...such comments as, "You don't even pray to the Lord, and you don't even have a relationship with Him because you are abiding in His word and hold it to be authoritative."

ah, well then he would have to like consider you an equal or something huh lol

Mean no offense byrd, can only put it as you wrote in ur own words

ty mjr, but the below describes your position just fine i guess

the cross like the law kills people, if you are still carrying you cross than you have not yet died to self.

goodbye mjr, and i wish you the best of luck ok

 

[Zachary]

I think we need to come to an understanding of who died on that cross.
Byrd is right...a human sacrifice simply doesn't cut it.

I've always deduced that any sinless human would have satisfied Father God.
That it actually was God who sacrificed Himself makes it all the more impressive!
Yes, "the Son of God" was the sacrifice ... He was the Son of God
because God's Spirit was the "father" (He played the role of "father").

 

[bbyrd009]

and He does not deceive us in what He tells us about His nature and character when we read it to find out.

at least if we are not "wise," ya

 

[bbyrd009]

Byrd is right...a human sacrifice simply doesn't cut it.

imo a sacrifice of that kind period doesn't cut it bl; except for pagans who need to appease their god, and eschew Living Sacrifice

 

[justbyfaith]

No Son of Man may die for another's sins; the soul that sins still dies.

May I ask what is your scripture reference on this? maybe quote it verbatim also, so that we can see whether it says what you say it says.

 

[justbyfaith]

at least if we are not "wise," ya

Are you referring to Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21 or some other scripture?

 

[bbyrd009]

May I ask what is your scripture reference on this? maybe quote it verbatim also, so that we can see whether it says what you say it says.

ah, i've done that to death already... Ezekiel 18:20 though, although we have NT refs also, "go and sin no more," "be perfect as I am perfect," "no sinners will inherit," "little children, do not be deceived," et al

Are you referring to Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21 or some other scripture?

yes