You cannot understand my answer until you understand salvation. It's that simple.
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Oh I understand the reply you made. But your reply is no answer to the question. Which is quite remarkable since you always make this big deal about following Scripture, yet cannot answer my question which is based upon Scripture.
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we walk by Faith and not by sight.
PS, BG I might need to pipe some sunshine up to you, it hit 74 degrees Fahrenheit about 23 Celsius yesterday.
101G
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BG that's a good point. understand is was the Lord Jesus who spoke to the prophets in the OT. supportive scripture,
1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
note the Spirit of Christ was in THEM. the "Spirit", the "Spirit, was IN, IN, IN, them.
just look back over some of the Prophets writing. notice what they said,
1 Samuel 15:10 "Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying", or
1 Kings 6:11 "And the word of the LORD came to Solomon, saying", or
Jeremiah 1:2 "To whom the word of the LORD came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign".
and we can go on and on after prophet , after prophet.
NOTICE, IT WAS NEVER THE "SOUND" THEY HEARD, OF THE VOICE OF GOD THAT CAME TO THEM, no why? because the Spirit was IN them.
let's give another example. on the day of Pentecost. the Disciple spoke in other tongues ... correct. was it the disciples or the Spirit in them using their voice. NOTICE, each heard in their OWN language. question, did the apostle speak each language at the exact same time? no, but the people heard in their OWN language. so did the apostles spoke in their language NO, but the Spirit did.
scripture, John 5:37 "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape".
ok, have you?
this is open to anyone to answer.
101G
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OK, another doorbuster about JESUS the Christ.
In John 1:1 we know that Jesus is God ... Right. but the sticking point is the "PERSONS", 1st. 2nd, or 3rd. ......... well neither.
let go after, and expose the PERSONS again.
VictoryinJesus said In Post #42
well lets go to the scriptures and see.
1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit".
what is the verse saying? the Last Adam a quickening spirit. here "quickening" is,
G2227 ζωοποιέω zoopoieo (zō-o-poi-ye'-ō) v.
to (re-)vitalize.
{literally or figuratively}
[from a derivative of G2198 and G4160]
KJV: make alive, give life, quicken
this is the SAME spirit that gave the FIRST Adam life, is the Same spirit that give us life.
here he's called the "LAST" Adam, because of the Flesh. amd we know that the Spirit that gave the First Adam life is before Adam. so in essance the Last Adam is the same one who gave the first Adam life. but here is the difference, one is with flesh and one is without flesh.
so the million dollar question, "Is they the SAME PERSON?". the Spirit is the First/begining,
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". and remember God is "A" Spirit, per John 4:24. (whom many say is the Father). and since Jesus, (the son), is the Last that give Live, as as the definition states, (re-)vitalize,or Give life, as in the begining, is they the same person..... let's see.
Spirit/Father, First. spirit/Son, Last, scripture,
the Spirit/Father, Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
the Father is the "First" AND the "Last"
now, spirit/Son, Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Hmmmmmmm both the first and the Last.
but one other thing,
Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
what!, yes, the first the Spirit/Father is "ALSO" the Last, the Son.
In John 1:1 we know that Jesus is God ... Right. but the sticking point is the "PERSONS", 1st. 2nd, or 3rd. ......... well neither.
let go after, and expose the PERSONS again.
VictoryinJesus said In Post #42
and I answered, "No, God is the First/the begining of all things, and he, the same Person is the Last /End of all things".
well lets go to the scriptures and see.
1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit".
what is the verse saying? the Last Adam a quickening spirit. here "quickening" is,
G2227 ζωοποιέω zoopoieo (zō-o-poi-ye'-ō) v.
to (re-)vitalize.
{literally or figuratively}
[from a derivative of G2198 and G4160]
KJV: make alive, give life, quicken
this is the SAME spirit that gave the FIRST Adam life, is the Same spirit that give us life.
here he's called the "LAST" Adam, because of the Flesh. amd we know that the Spirit that gave the First Adam life is before Adam. so in essance the Last Adam is the same one who gave the first Adam life. but here is the difference, one is with flesh and one is without flesh.
so the million dollar question, "Is they the SAME PERSON?". the Spirit is the First/begining,
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". and remember God is "A" Spirit, per John 4:24. (whom many say is the Father). and since Jesus, (the son), is the Last that give Live, as as the definition states, (re-)vitalize,or Give life, as in the begining, is they the same person..... let's see.
Spirit/Father, First. spirit/Son, Last, scripture,
the Spirit/Father, Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
the Father is the "First" AND the "Last"
now, spirit/Son, Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Hmmmmmmm both the first and the Last.
but one other thing,
Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
what!, yes, the first the Spirit/Father is "ALSO" the Last, the Son.
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Thanks for that...very good thoughts
And for sure "food for thought" bro.
Well I thought that I had, ( Heard His audible voice ) but now you cause me to think again....which is always good.
I will loop in and tag @1stCenturyLady here, as she asked me about it the other day.
Anyway...we were waiting on the Lord and praying about moving to Canada from England. A very BIG move, obviously...leaving all friends and family behind. We had felt the Lord nudging us and pushing us to do so. But , being a Gideon , I wanted confirmation upon confirmation from the Lord, not wanting to make any mistake or wrong turn.
As you say...His Spirit is within...and we know and recognize His still, small, voice clearly.
But on the morning early, of Christmas Eve, I was woken out of sleep by a BIG BOOMING VOICE , it seemed to shake the house ...my husband did not hear it, he carried on sleeping.
God confirmed our move to Canada. Making it clear that this was His will for us. I have also thought it was the voice of God...but maybe it was an angel ...it sure sounded like God. If that was an angel and not God himself, heaven knows what GODS voice is like!!
WOW!!But, your scriptures are very convincing...the one that popped out most was God speaking to Samuel.
Very good points...thank you .
Have a lovely Christmas. Helen
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Revelation 1:17-18 KJV
[17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: [18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Tecarta Bible PremiumHe tells us right here who he is. First and last, he that liveth..... and wasDEAD
[17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: [18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Tecarta Bible PremiumHe tells us right here who he is. First and last, he that liveth..... and wasDEAD
Waiting on him
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You have definitely heard his voice! He tells us in John his sheep hear his voice. No one heard his voice prior to the in dwelling of the Holy SpiritThanks for that...very good thoughts
And for sure "food for thought" bro.
Well I thought that I had, ( Heard His audible voice ) but now you cause me to think again....which is always good.
I will loop in and tag @1stCenturyLady here, as she asked me about it the other day.
Anyway...we were waiting on the Lord and praying about moving to Canada from England. A very BIG move, obviously...leaving all friends and family behind. We had felt the Lord nudging us and pushing us to do so. But , being a Gideon , I wanted confirmation upon confirmation from the Lord, not wanting to make any mistake or wrong turn.
As you say...His Spirit is within...and we know and recognize His still, small, voice clearly.
But on the morning early, of Christmas Eve, I was woken out of sleep by a BIG BOOMING VOICE , it seemed to shake the house ...my husband did not hear it, he carried on sleeping.
God confirmed our move to Canada. Making it clear that this was His will for us. I have also thought it was the voice of God...but maybe it was an angel ...it sure sounded like God. If that was an angel and not God himself, heaven knows what GODS voice is like!!
But, your scriptures are very convincing...the one that popped out most was God speaking to Samuel.
Very good points...thank you .
Have a lovely Christmas. Helen
You don't understand that nobody comes to Christ apart from God first imparting the new birth. And then all the false beliefs expire over time being replaced by the truth.
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John 1:13 KJV
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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"And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle." Exodus 33:11
But later in the same chapter we read...
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." Exodus 33:20-23
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CoreIssue
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Even the slightest hint of God's true face is beyond description in revelations.
When he has spoken it's always been through a mask or surrogate.
To Abraham the Trinity appeared as three men, definitely not their true appearance. He spoke to all three and all three spoke to him, as men. But it was God speaking.
I was seriously looking for anyone's explanation of the difference between the apparently contrasting statements read in chapter 33 of Exodus with regard to seeing God's face. Are you saying that on the one hand Moses saw the face of some "surrogate" while never actually able to see the face of God?
How do you "see" this verse enter into the situation?
"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12
Thanking you in advance for your effort in clarifying Exodus 33...
CoreIssue
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I do not disagree, but neither have you said anything new. I was hoping for a new insight or other verses of scriptures regarding this.
Thank you
CoreIssue
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What is there new to say? I think you may be looking for something that does not exist.
101G
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Greeting amadeus,
Exodus 33, God spoke to Moses in a cloudy pillar Face to Face. the cloudy Pillar was a barrier between the two.
lets give an example to day. just for argument sake, I, 101G came to your house, and you meet me at the door, but you have a screen door, and we both spoke to each other face to face. but the screen door was in between us. yet we talked face to face.
Just as the LORD Jesus spoke to Moses in the burning bush on fire by the angel. or in a dream with Joseph, or a vision with John on Patmos.
God just don't walk up to you and start talking as you and I would, but the context is the same.
God is everywhere, listen, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD". Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD".
just stop and think what was just said. two things, #1. God fills everythings, he can manifest in
Los Angeles as a burning bush, and appear as a man in New York.
now #2. did you just realize what I have done? listen, just before #1. I said this, "just stop and think what was just said". SAID?, did you hear my actual "voice?". NO, you read my post. but did I not say something? communication, yet you never hear my "actual" voice. but you know my style of writting. ......
but the voice you heard was in your head, your mind.
think about it.
Be blessed.
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