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Dave L
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If you are honest, state your question for all to see. And I will answer it for all to see.It's a question to you. What are you scared of?
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If you are honest, state your question for all to see. And I will answer it for all to see.It's a question to you. What are you scared of?
Stranger
And if a Mormon or Seventh Day Adventist, or Jehovah Witness, or Romanist, comes to Christ, will he be saved? How much doctrine are you requiring him to know about Christ in order to be saved? How much did Peter know?
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Zero doctrine. Paul was a murderous Pharisee (Antichrist) when God took him over through the New Birth on the road to Damascus. It was after that he learned the truth.
What better answer could a person give? Salvation by grace and not works? Why not answer it for us so we can see what you are expecting for an answer?Gee Dave, I thought you were going to really answer my question. You said you would. Were you lying? I was honest and did present the question again as you asked. Yet, no answer. That can only mean you are dishonest in your request to me about the question. And in your statement that you would answer for all to see, you have answered nothing.
Your theology is full of holes. I guess you can always say your theology is 'holy'.
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Your first statement is from your own opinion.....as you will not be able to show from the bible what you have accepted to be true. Do you just ignore where God says TODAY I have begotten you???? You tend to follow opinion and reject the biblical evidence that your opinions is...well...just an armchair opinion.
The Father and the Son are separate and distinct persons...each with a will that is subordinated to the other.
Jesus said...YOUR will be done...not OUR will be done. (this is from the bible)
I can show that what I say is from the bible. it is not based on a personal opinion.
Your first statement is from your own opinion.....as you will not be able to show from the bible what you have accepted to be true. Do you just ignore where God says TODAY I have begotten you???? You tend to follow opinion and reject the biblical evidence that your opinions is...well...just an armchair opinion.
The Father and the Son are separate and distinct persons...each with a will that is subordinated to the other.
Jesus said...YOUR will be done...not OUR will be done. (this is from the bible)
I can show that what I say is from the bible. it is not based on a personal opinion.
I'm confused...I understand that it says: today I have begotten you. But this doesn't negate that John says the Son existed with God from the beginning and that He WAS God. Born in bodily form at a point in time, yes, but the poster wasn't giving an opinion to say Christ existed from the beginning with God. You can actually show from the bible what you've said he cannot show. And John specifically echoes Genesis in the way he chose to write the beginning of his book, and he also tries to underscore that Jesus is the light first spoken of in Genesis.
This is how I read it. As always, there may be some different ideas on what John was trying to convey...
Another thought - God Himself has said He is one God, and that we are to worship no other God. But in Revelation, they worship the Lamb/Word of God/Jesus. So trying to imagine it all becomes blurred at some point...
The fact remains that God said...TODAY I have begotten you. If both Father and Son always existed....could Jesus say...TODAY I have made a Father for myself?
No, the text shows that The Son comes from the Father...and not the other way around. The Father does not come from the Son. That's why the text shows this distinction. Otherwise it would be the God twins or something like that. God chose to reveal Jesus as His Son...because the Father came first. We need to stick with the biblical imagery.
When you say God chose to reveal Jesus as His Son, I can understand this. And The Son did not consider it robbery to be born in human flesh and to give up His place and power to accomplish what He did in the weaknesses of mortal flesh.The fact remains that God said...TODAY I have begotten you. If both Father and Son always existed....could Jesus say...TODAY I have made a Father for myself?
No, the text shows that The Son comes from the Father...and not the other way around. The Father does not come from the Son. That's why the text shows this distinction. Otherwise it would be the God twins or something like that. God chose to reveal Jesus as His Son...because the Father came first. We need to stick with the biblical imagery.
Thank you!What is there new to say? I think you may be looking for something that does not exist.
Why have you omitted the Holy Spirit? He too is within the Godhead (Mt 28:19)When you consider that the Godhead is the family of God....Father and Son. These are One (family).
The term *adoption* in the NT is not the same as the common meaning of adoption, i.e. children from one unrelated family being adopted into another family, with no blood relationship, and no right of heirship.The mystery is that a remnant of human beings will join that family as adopted sons and fellow heirs with Christ.
Correct. Jesus -- God the Word, and the only begotten Son of God -- has existed with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit from eternity past. He was not *begotten* some time later, or at His incarnation.And think too, about how the Baptist could say Jesus existed before him when the Baptist was born first!
Correct. Jesus -- God the Word, and the only begotten Son of God -- has existed with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit from eternity past. He was not *begotten* some time later, or at His incarnation.
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (Micah 5:2)