Understanding The HolySpirit

[stunnedbygrace]

Agree. HOWEVER....
You Do have the Authority To DECLARE, SPEAK, and COMMAND your mind to YIELD to the thoughts of your spirit in your heart.

May sound silly or trivial...HOWEVER, remember WHO's Spirit (Power) is IN Your spirit in your heart... Isn't Gods Power within you, STRONG enough to EFFECT a righteous Act that you Declare FOR yourself?
BTW...an ACT, God Himself "Desires FOR YOU"?

The Carnal Mind, IS AGAINST God.
The Spirit of God IS IN your spirit, IN your heart.
He absolutely DOES WANT your Carnal Mind to yield to your spirit, That HIS POWER, can Effect that it BE So.



Yes, storing treasures up in Heaven is good.
However YOU have to Accumulate Treasures, TO STORE up in Heaven.
"Treasures one CAN STORE UP IN HEAVEN", is not FOOD, is not HIS WORD".
HIS WORD IS 'our food" ON EARTH.
We STORE Treasures up IN Heaven, BY Glorifying His NAME ON EARTH.

Sorry, but complaining how you FEEL, He is NOT guiding you, IS NOT Glorifying to His Name. It IS rather, a testimony, He is FAILING you.



I agree, IN part, of that being a Trust issue...
But think it is more than a Trust issue.

Meaning, there is an underlying issue, that leads you to challenging His Trustworthness.

I don't know you, IF you are a believer....or IF you are A Converted, Born Again Commited Believer.

But I would suggest YOU earnestly set aside some time, and Examine and Assess YOURSELF.

You are right that people find complaining, easier than, resolving an issue. Especially IF the resolving requires the individual to closely examine themselves, their own downfalls...WHEN it is so much Easier to put that on God (or an other).

EVERY single person has "HARDSHIP" stories that pertains to them specific. NO ONE escapes that. (Thefts, lying to them, hurt feelings, cheated, unjust treatment, diseases, unruly kids, property distruction, money shortages, bills, and on and on.)

^ Those ARE mankinds BURDEN to bear.

God doesn't swoop down, Wave His Hand, and ones Credit Card bills magically disappear, BECAUSE one spent what one could NOT afford. Or CORRECT an unruly Child, Because the parent NEVER taught and prepared the child with a Godly Foundation. Etc.

Men "WITH" the Holy Spirit "WITHIN" them...
HAVE GREAT Authority to DECLARE, the VERY THINGS, God "WANTS" a man "TO HAVE".

And a man "WHO HAS" the Spirit (Power) of God IN THEM....UH...WHAT IS TOO GREAT, that Gods Power can NOT EFFECT something TO BECOME accomplished?

YOU have to Examine yourself. Your own woes and issues and hardships...and read what Gods word says to direct you ON THAT specific thing. Declare "for yourself", "speak it" what His word says, and then ASK God Himself for His Power to EFFECT HIS WORD IN YOU, that YOU have Declared "for yourself", BE ACCOMPLISHED.

And a word to the wise...without Belief, without Trust, without Patience....you will find your efforts fruitless.

However...WITH belief, WITH Trust, WItH Patience...you will find overwhelming Joy and Peace.

And to mention a word about ..PATIENCE.
Patience is not particularly what a person wants to hear, when a dilemma or hardship is consuming their thoughts and troubling their daily existance.

However the key to understanding patience...
IS, trusting God is ALL knowing, and that He knows the EXACT moment, you NEED the answer to your dilemma, and SHALL provide it for you.

A person can drive themselves looney, worrying , wondering, trying to Figure out solutions to this or that.

Find His word in Scripture.
Declare it for yourself.
Ask God for His Power to resolve the dilemma
Be patient, wait. He has Plenty of messengers in the wings, ready, (when you least expect it), to give you the solution.

THEN...you can TESTIFY to others OF HOW Great your God is....Which Glorifies His Name...
And Stores Up Treasures In Heaven,
FOR YOU.

Glory to God,
Happy New Year,
God Bless,
Taken

This isn't good. You have a lot of advice but when someone speaks about things they either have struggled with or are struggling with, concerning getting to know God and walk with Him, it's more of a help for them to hear about your struggles to walk too. It's not really so much of a help to give them advice and to make yourself appear as if you don't have struggles in trust. Additionally, I don't think you read my post carefully enough if your takeaway from it was that I was complaining and causing God to look incapable.

i felt a bit Brow beaten by you, as if you are extremely holy, I am not, and the fault is mine, which you can straighten me out in.

 

[farouk]

This isn't good. You have a lot of advice but when someone speaks about things they either have struggled with or are struggling with, concerning getting to know God and walk with Him, it's more of a help for them to hear about your struggles to walk too. It's not really so much of a help to give them advice and to make yourself appear as if you don't have struggles in trust. Additionally, I don't think you read my post carefully enough if your takeaway from it was that I was complaining and causing God to look incapable.

i felt a bit Brow beaten by you, as if you are extremely holy, I am not, and the fault is mine, which you can straighten me out in.

Sometimes the liberal use of capitals can also affect the way it comes over...

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Do you think the church grabbed their ideas out of thin air? Prove them wrong on the trinity using scripture. Then state your claims.

What, are we lawyers? Not everyone wants debate. Some want to just talk, share and learn fro m each other. And not everyone has a desire to prove a doctrine wrong but some want to just discuss what doesn't make sense to them in an explanation of what God is.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Sometimes the liberal use of capitals can also affect the way it comes over...

True. And I don't think he was trying to harm me either. But we are more of a help to each other if we show our warts rather than acting as if we have none. I want to hear about your trials of faith and what things you've learned through them. That's what helps me. Telling me I just have to have patience and this and that is not a help. I think we need to PRACTICALLY help each other to build up our trust, not just SAY we need to trust more.

 

[farouk]

True. And I don't think he was trying to harm me either. But we are more of a help to each other if we show our warts rather than acting as if we have none. I want to hear about your trials of faith and what things you've learned through them. That's what helps me. Telling me I just have to have patience and this and that is not a help. I think we need to PRACTICALLY help each other to build up our trust, not just SAY we need to trust more.

One helpful fact is that when we pray from the heart in the name of the Lord Jesus, we experience what Romans 8 says when we cry Abba, Father by the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I face times where prayer is so easy and light and more often though, I face times where it seems impossible and difficult and dry. At those times, I used to try to force it somehow, but it never made it easier. So I've come to the conclusion that it's better for me to even just sigh, rather than force it, knowing that He knows my longing. Or to pray in one or two words if that's all I can muster, and just...stay calm. The fact is, every time I try to pray, it's as if I've forgotten how and don't remember how.

Another thing is that I sometimes hear a voice in my mind and I don't think it's my own voice and the voice says things like...You are always just asking Him for something, is that what you think prayer is? And I've learned to just ignore the voice and say: yeah, well if I can do nothing without Him, and if He is my provision in everything spiritual and temporal, then yeah, I 'm going to keep asking and reminding Him.

 

[farouk]

I face times where prayer is so easy and light and more often though, I face times where it seems impossible and difficult and dry. At those times, I used to try to force it somehow, but it never made it easier. So I've come to the conclusion that it's better for me to even just sigh, rather than force it, knowing that He knows my longing. Or to pray in one or two words if that's all I can muster, and just...stay calm. The fact is, every time I try to pray, it's as if I've forgotten how and don't remember how.

Another thing is that I sometimes hear a voice in my mind and I don't think it's my own voice and the voice says things like...You are always just asking Him for something, is that what you think prayer is? And I've learned to just ignore the voice and say: yeah, well if I can do nothing without Him, and if He is my provision in everything spiritual and temporal, then yeah, I 'm going to keep asking and reminding Him.

To pray in the spirit of "Thy will be done" is also v. important.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

To pray in the spirit of "Thy will be done" is also v. important.

Yeah. That's a difficult one. It helps some after you see and experience that He brings good to you in the end, even in difficult and unpleasant circumstances.

 

[Dave L]

Yeah. That's a difficult one. It helps some after you see and experience that He brings good to you in the end, even in difficult and unpleasant circumstances.

I used to think blessings were only pleasurable. But learned some of the greatest blessings come through the most severe trials.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I used to think blessings were only pleasurable. But learned some of the greatest blessings come through the most severe trials.

Yes! It's very odd. He can even make you thank Him for a person who has made you miserable because, in the end, great good came to your soul through them!

Reminds me of where I read a man say something like...Joseph's brothers could never have done so much good for him had they treated him well and not sold him into slavery.

It's just so odd...But then again, not so odd when you consider that He works ALL things to our good...

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes! It's very odd. He can even make you thank Him for a person who has made you miserable because, in the end, great good came to your soul through them!

Reminds me of where I read a man say something like...Joseph's brothers could never have done so much good for him had they treated him well and not sold him into slavery.

It's just so odd...But then again, not so odd when you consider that He works ALL things to our good...

Have an earthly father that taught me the full meaning of wrath. Never learned mercy till my encounter with Christ!

 

[Waiting on him]

Have an earthly father that taught me the full meaning of wrath. Never learned mercy till my encounter with Christ!

We have enough instructors in Christ I aspire to be a father

 

[stunnedbygrace]

We have enough instructors in Christ I aspire to be a father

Give me children lest i die! Takes on new meaning in spirit.

 

[Waiting on him]

Give me children lest i die! Takes on new meaning in spirit.

Causes the barren to have more children than the woman that’s married. Thank you!! This makes me a woman

 

[Taken]

This isn't good.

I disagree.

You have a lot of advice but when someone speaks about things they either have struggled with or are struggling with, concerning getting to know God and walk with Him, it's more of a help for them to hear about your struggles to walk too. It's not really so much of a help to give them advice and to make yourself appear as if you don't have struggles in trust. Additionally, I don't think you read my post carefully enough if your takeaway from it was that I was complaining and causing God to look incapable.

i felt a bit Brow beaten by you, as if you are extremely holy, I am not, and the fault is mine, which you can straighten me out in.

I thought I was quite clear on a couple of points you mentioned.

1) EVERYONE has hardships/struggles.
It is by and through the Holy Spirit, one has the advantage of being comforted, through the hardships.

2) EVERYONE has the power to Exercise their own Freewill. Including Declaring what one decides shall come out of their mouth.
Declaring THEIR Commitments, Joy, Peace, Righteousness, Relationships, etc. Yes and even Trust in the Lord.

Would the Lord God, with His Power within you, DENY YOU, "anything" that He wants you TO HAVE? The Answer is no, He will not DENY you.

I Declared my Belief, my Trust, my Love of God, my Service, my Friendship, my Righteousness, my Service, my Joy, my Peace, my Thankfulness, my desires for blessings over my children, my friends, my family, my enemies, and strangers. Etc.

It doesn't make me "more holy" than anyone else. It does however make me, "RICH" in the effect of the numerous Blessing and Gifts the Lord gives me everyday.

I am NOT without having hardships, ongoing difficulties, concern, betrayal, hurt, sorrow, thefts, lies, cheating, deception, attacks against me.
Point being, USE YOUR own Power of YOUR OWN WORDS to Delcare, those thing WILL NOT STEAL your JOY and PEACE...and the Lord WILL respond.

That was my message.

Glory to God,
Happy New Year,
God Bless,
Taken

 

[ScottA]

Do you think the church grabbed their ideas out of thin air? Prove them wrong on the trinity using scripture. Then state your claims.

The state of the church since Christ addressed them in Revelation is self-evident.

But don't get me wrong. I am not saying that the Trinity doctrine is unfounded or that I disagree. Not at all, in fact I support it - but to a point. Because it is elementary, it does not allow for the spirit to establish all truth by the spirit. Those who do not have the where with all to press on in spirit, have a choke hold on the beggarly elements, and the elementary principles of Christ...which things the scriptures warn of.

So, no, we don't stop, and we don't turn back - we press on.

 

[Dave L]

The state of the church since Christ addressed them in Revelation is self-evident.

But don't get me wrong. I am not saying that the Trinity doctrine is unfounded or that I disagree. Not at all, in fact I support it - but to a point. Because it is elementary, it does not allow for the spirit to establish all truth by the spirit. Those who do not have the where with all to press on in spirit, have a choke hold on the beggarly elements, and the elementary principles of Christ...which things the scriptures warn of.

So, no, we don't stop, and we don't turn back - we press on.

If you understood the doctrine of the Trinity, your problem would dissipate.

 

[rockytopva]

I fell in with the Pentecostal Holiness church not because of the tongues, but because of the people, which were the finest I have ever met in my entire life. Pictured below is Dallas Linkous JR, which is probably the 'shoutingest' man I have ever met in my entire life. As a teenager I would put up hay with him and go with him to the revivals at night. Both him and his wife were tongue talking, shouting, happy type Pentecostals. The joy was there equally there at home as well as at work. Every one of the fruits of the spirit lamped within their lives like a great over heated pot belly stove. There was also a decency among the people like I have never seen. My grandfather was good friends with Dallas. In the 1950's they would have revivals that would go for weeks and early in the AM. Granny said that grandfather could worship the Lord until 2 AM and not have any trouble at all rising at 6 AM for work.

I remember well as a young man Dallas coming behind me to pray with me at the altar, with tears running down his cheek and onto my neck. As a guy who did not like to be touched this was quite profound. At the end of that summer we had a good revival in which the Lord seemed there in a mighty way. On reading the book, "Run Baby Run," by Nikki Cruise, I felt a voice telling me to put the book down. I paused, and then continued again to read. The voice said again, "Put the book down." I slept in my Grandmothers living room on an old fold away cot by the open living room door. The Katydids seemed to be singing very loud that night. There in my Grandmothers clean linens I heard the Spirit speak again, "Where is all the stress, worry and hatred?" In which, upon examining my heart, there was nothing there but pure beauty. I thought to myself. "Oh my! I got exactly what those people got!" I would spend the rest of the summer rejoicing with the people and in revival until I went back to college later that September.

I believe these people were actually filled with the Holy Spirit, not only for the noise, but for the goodness of character that followed the experience. And the Holy Spirit would commune with and show us things.

 

[ScottA]

If you understood the doctrine of the Trinity, your problem would dissipate.

I dooo understand it: It is God in all His ways. But all His ways have been experientially divided, not to stay divided, but only as a school master divides into grades of advancement, all contributing to the One. Which in the end is not separated anymore, but One...just as it is written.

Thus, when we have been through the paces or grades, it is time to combine what we have learned to the full degree. Which is the end, but also the beginning of what is to come - the reason for being under each school master.

 

[rockytopva]

I fell in with the Pentecostal Holiness church not because of the tongues, but because of the people, which were the finest I have ever met in my entire life. Pictured below is Dallas Linkous JR, which is probably the 'shoutingest' man I have ever met in my entire life. As a teenager I would put up hay with him and go with him to the revivals at night. Both him and his wife were tongue talking, shouting, happy type Pentecostals. The joy was there equally there at home as well as at work. Every one of the fruits of the spirit lamped within their lives like a great over heated pot belly stove. There was also a decency among the people like I have never seen. My grandfather was good friends with Dallas. In the 1950's they would have revivals that would go for weeks and early in the AM. Granny said that grandfather could worship the Lord until 2 AM and not have any trouble at all rising at 6 AM for work.

I remember well as a young man Dallas coming behind me to pray with me at the altar, with tears running down his cheek and onto my neck. As a guy who did not like to be touched this was quite profound. At the end of that summer we had a good revival in which the Lord seemed there in a mighty way. On reading the book, "Run Baby Run," by Nikki Cruise, I felt a voice telling me to put the book down. I paused, and then continued again to read. The voice said again, "Put the book down." I slept in my Grandmothers living room on an old fold away cot by the open living room door. The Katydids seemed to be singing very loud that night. There in my Grandmothers clean linens I heard the Spirit speak again, "Where is all the stress, worry and hatred?" In which, upon examining my heart, there was nothing there but pure beauty. I thought to myself. "Oh my! I got exactly what those people got!" I would spend the rest of the summer rejoicing with the people and in revival until I went back to college later that September.

I believe these people were actually filled with the Holy Spirit, not only for the noise, but for the goodness of character that followed the experience. And the Holy Spirit would commune with and show us things.

With that said... It is more important to experience the Holy Spirit than to understand the Holy Spirit. Once you experience the Holy Spirit spiritually, the mind will learn from what the heart has experienced. I know too many people who try to understand spiritual words like love, but the actual love they have in the heart is a strange love, and nothing anyone would ever want. It is more important to have these spiritual characteristics deep in the heart, rather than annoying people with the mental definitions, when the true spiritual simply is not there.