Yet you refuse to read the link...why? Because you are afraid the poison may infect you...or because you are afraid it may actually contain some truth you don't want to hear? You say it is good to investigate...yet you do not.
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I thought I was being gracious...better to put the situation down to memory loss that charge him with deliberate obfuscation.
LOL, yes, but more like an inquisition...I expect at any moment my front door to be blown in and me get dragged out and being marched off to the nearest guillotine.I am just loving the interrogation here.
Some people think that it is their calling in life!!
But to be honest, I don't mind being questioned about my beliefs. I have nothing to hide as @justbyfaith may think, but what I don't like is someone trying to manipulate me into a corner through circular reasoning simply to justify their erroneous beliefs...he thinks the Father and Son are one and the same person. He thinks Jesus was talking to Himself in John 17. I don't happen to agree, and I'm not about to allow a clever lawyer reduce a discussion on the Godhead to a few one line question and answer tabloid series that offers nothing but a superficial examination of the topic.
I provided a link that exhaustively offers all the information needed re Michael. He refuses to read it. So be it, that's on him, but now he wants to turn the discussion to his favourite topic, the Godhead. Human logic and reasoning doesn't come remotely close to finding any answers on that score. If he, or she, cannot accept scripture as it reads, and writes off the separate and distinct personalities of the Father and Son as being a mere illusion from God, I don't see how any answers I can offer will help him any more in understanding what I think. Or convince me to change my mind. He/she is going to have to do better.
The former...
Actually, my favorite topic is how we become holy through the grace of our Lord because of His love that is shed abroad in our hearts, in that love is the fulfilling of the law.
I do not see these things as being an illusion at all. I certainly believe that Father and Son are distinct from each other. You seem to think that because I have been baptized in Jesus' Name by immersion four times, I am going to tout the exact same thing as other Oneness Pentecostals. And that might be the case; only it turns out that if we are speaking the same thing, we must all believe in the real Trinity (as opposed to Tritheism). Because in emphasizing the Oneness of God I want to make it clear that I do not deny the distinctions in the Godhead.
The purpose of my questioning is not to punish you for your false beliefs...rather it is to expose them in order that you might see the error of your ways and be saved again (see James 5:19-20). It appears that by asking you a few simple questions about your faith, you felt like I "backed you into a corner" since everything you believe about the Godhead is not consistent, and my questions to you made that evident.
Actually, the reality of this is something of a mystery (to those who do not have the Holy Ghost)...in that Jesus and the Father both are the same Person and are not the same Person.
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The father and the son are both God of equal power, authority and knowledge. And of the same nature.
Each has a different role in job.
Same is true with the Holy Spirit.
There not some amorphous being that separates and then merges back together.
Being a unity of one does not mean a single person.
Jeeeesh more religious Drival..
And the Word became Flesh, doesnt say, Michael entered into her and became a man,,.. not taking away His position they say, its making a mockery of the things of God.
Jesus came into Existence when Mary Received the Word of God by faith and believed that what God said, would be so, and that Word than created Life in Her as His word does, it is what holds all life together, and so Christ was Gods word contained in an earthly shell just like us, so He could be subject to the same temptations as us.
It really is not that complicated.
Mar_7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
which is what religion in all its guises is all about.
And the Word became Flesh, doesnt say, Michael entered into her and became a man,,.. not taking away His position they say, its making a mockery of the things of God.
Jesus came into Existence when Mary Received the Word of God by faith and believed that what God said, would be so, and that Word than created Life in Her as His word does, it is what holds all life together, and so Christ was Gods word contained in an earthly shell just like us, so He could be subject to the same temptations as us.
It really is not that complicated.
Mar_7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
which is what religion in all its guises is all about.
They are the same Spirit, the same Lord, and the same God (1 Corinthians 12:4-6).
I look at it this way: the preincarnate Christ is not a second God, and neither is He 1/3 of God; but He is the Father.
When He descended to become the Son, He did not cease to be the Father.
Thus it can be said that the Son is the Father but the Father is not the Son.
And that the Son is a distinct (not separate) Person from the Father.
When He descended to become the Son, He did not cease to be the Father.
Thus it can be said that the Son is the Father but the Father is not the Son.
And that the Son is a distinct (not separate) Person from the Father.
CoreIssue
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A unity of three separate spirit persons.
That is what uniplural means and Elohim is a uniplural.
CoreIssue
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Since Jesus is God, He did not *come into existence*. He simply existed from eternity past, with the Father and the Spirit. Had He created absolutely nothing, it would have made no difference. He is the Self-Existent I AM (with the Father and the Holy Spirit).
So at the incarnation of Christ, the Holy Spirit supernaturally brought about a miraculous conception within the virgin's womb, and the child which was conceived was Jesus. But He had already existed before time began as "the Word of God", the Creator.
As to the temptations of Christ, since He was born of a virgin, He did not have a sin nature inherited from Adam. Which means that He was sinless and could not be tempted to sin. That is because God cannot be tempted to sin, neither does He tempt any man.
Satan is not omniscient, and he foolishly imagined that he could present temptations to Christ and have Him succumb to them. But he could not know that the Son of God cannot be tempted.
It is only when people forget that Jesus is fully God and fully sinless Man at one and the same time (not comprehensible to humans) that we have all kinds of heresies about the Person of Christ.
Oh so blind, Christ is Gods word, Just as to you have your words in your mouth, to some you open it, out comes you words and death may follow, at another moment you open your mouth, out comes some words and they may bring life.
So there fore Jesus was not lying when HE said, " before Abraham was I am". because God's word has always existed with Him. Than God spoke His words, Mary received them they gave life to the man Jesus, to whom God gave all things. So now Gods word returned to Him Just as HE said it would, accomplishing everything it needed to do, in the Man Jesus.
There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).
His name shall be called, among other things, the Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6).
No, I am talking what has been incorrectly perceived as modalism by those who do not understand the doctrine.
Jesus was tempted in all points as we are (in His humanity); yet without sin (Hebrews 4:15).
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The father is the spirit, the spirit of Christ is God and there is the Holy Spirit.
One body composed of millions. One spirit composed of three.
Father to the saints saved by his blood. Not God the father of the Trinity.
I understand the doctrine. One person as God who is one time the father, another time Christ and another time the Holy Spirit. But not limited to appearing as only one when he wishes.
And therein lies the key to what I posted. APART FROM SIN (yet without sin) means apart from the sin nature, and that is the part that responds to temptations. Since Jesus is God, He cannot be tempted. Since Jesus is also sinless man -- devoid of the sin nature -- He cannot be tempted.
The temptations were real and external but since there was no internal response to them, they meant nothing. I trust you get the point.
You can have bowl of ice cream presented to you, but if you are indifferent to it, then that temptation has absolutely no effect on you. The same principle applies.
You should have thanked me for bringing clarity to your confusion. Instead you have accused me of being blind, which is not only false but derogatory. You are still confused as is evident from your post, but you choose to be confused.
Yet He was tempted (Hebrews 4:15). Not in His Deity; but in His humanity. Matthew 4:2.
Getting closer; however I would ask you if you believe that the Spirit is divided.
See Malachi 2:10.
Not exactly. God the Son is on earth while God the Father is in heaven; because He did not and could not vacate eternity when He descended. Time has nothing to do with any of it. We are dealing with eternity; and sometimes eternity is difficult to understand without the Holy Ghost (see 1 Corinthians 2:10-12). God the Father is in heaven and the Son was on earth and the Son is in heaven, from the perspective of eternity.
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