Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

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justbyfaith

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One more...Acts 24:14 (kjv).

But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and the prophets.

(and the New Testament, concerning the Godhead).

I am in good company with the apostle Paul.
 
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One more...Acts 24:14 (kjv).
“But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.” (Acts 24:14–15) (KJV 1900)

You are similar in belief when it comes to God as those calling Christianity heresy. And you do the same thinking your sect is right and the entire church has been wrong for millennia.
 

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No, sometimes the servant of the Lord simply gives up on a hardened heart...and the Holy Spirit also sometimes will give up on a person...see Genesis 6:3.
 
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No, sometimes the servant of the Lord simply gives up on a hardened heart...and the Holy Spirit also sometimes will give up on a person...see Genesis 6:3.
This is not biblical when it comes to salvation.
 

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The Holy Spirit gave them and the last book is Revelation.

I don't think it's profitable to argue about this.
yes because you might find the truth, God never stopped speaking men just stopped listening, God never stopped creating men just dont believe Him
 

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Certain tritheists give lip service to the idea of one God so that they won't be exposed for what they truly are.
 

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There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5). The Father is the Lord of heaven and earth (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21). Jesus is the Lord (1 Corinthians 12:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6).

There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5). The Father is the Lord of heaven and earth (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21). Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 4:15, 2 John 1:3).

I'm going to leave the Holy Spirit out of this one (as a subject matter--:eek:). It is clear that He is a member of the Godhead.

The scriptures above show that the Son both is the Father; and is not the Father.

Knowledge is revealed...IN THE WORD.
About thee LORD GOD ALMIGHTY
About thee Lord God Power
About thee Lord Jesus Christ

God Does NOT CHANGE
Jesus IS the SAME yesterday, today and forever.

And A FUTURE Revelation in a Paticular DAY...

Zech 14
[9] And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Rev 4:
[8] ... Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Rev 11
[17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come;

The Knowledge IS Revealed;
Lord (Jesus) God (Father) Almighty (Christ)

The Fruition for Glorified men TO SEE HIM, has not YET come to pass.

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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first thanks for the reply. second, JESUS was not BORN, not the spirit that was in that body. understand, Jesus the Spirit existed before the flesh he came in as well as his Nmae. understand the son of Man came from HEAVEN, the son of God came out of the EARTH, meaning the womb of the Woman.

Now before we go any futher let reconcile what was born and who was not born... ok.

I'll go first, if you don't mind. scripture,
John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".

flesh and blood is not in heaven to come down.

second scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".

here the son of God came out of Mary womb. so clearly the spirit is not born, nor created.

Now, if you can correct me on these scriptures please do.

so let's take this one step at a time.

My Position is this, the son of man is not born, son of God is born.


#2. Jesus did not have the mind of his Father when he came in the flesh, here's why. scripture,
Isaiah 50:4 "The Lord GOD hath given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as the learned. (HERE, OUR LORD WAS LEARNING DAY BY DAY, if one want's to know wre the missing years of the Lord childhood/teenage years was, HERE THEY ARE)
Isaiah 50:5 "The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back.

to back this up, scripture,
Luke 2:39 "And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.

Luke 2:40 "And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him".
ok, if filled, filled, then he must didn't have it. but do not the scriptures states Jesus is the WISDOM, and POWER of God? (per 1 Corinthians 1:24), so how did the baby Jesus get this way? the answer is in the scripture you gave,
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
that word there "reputation" is the Greek word,
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756

definition #2. give us our answer. this is easy. see he had to LEARN just like us because "HE", "HE" the Lord Jesus "MADE" himself of NONE EFFECT. do you know what that means? listen,
Psalms 8:5 "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour." NOW NT,

Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man".

Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

ok, who MADE him lower than the angel? Read Psalms 8:5 carefully, and then read Philippians 2:7 carefully......... (smile)


your turn. will be looking for your answer.

Before I get into your post more deeply, I would like to know if you are familiar with local idioms and common expressions of the Bible? John 3:13 has one in it.

(Joh 3:13) No one has ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.(NEV)

Or, “No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.” (NIV)

No human being had ever ascended into heaven John said. Further, John said only the son of man, Jesus, has ascended into heaven the one who was born of God (who is and descended from heaven).

Now the common idiom that folks were familiar with was ‘he that descended or came from heaven.’ Jesus never literally came from heaven at his birth, he was born by God as any human being. God came out/down from heaven or brought his spirit with power to perform the miracle of his birth. Jesus was born of God would be a modern translation.

The Jews would never understand John’s words to mean that Christ “incarnated.” For those that belief in this extraordinary idea.

The expression “came from heaven” represented God as the sole source.

In James 1:17, it states that every good gift is “from above” and “comes down” from God. What James means is clear. God is the source of all good things in our lives. God works invisibly to provide what we require.

John the Baptist was a man “sent from God” (John 1:6). John never came from heaven although God out of heaven sent for John, even from his birth.

In Matt 21:25 when Jesus queries and said, “John’s baptism—where did it come from? Was it from heaven or from men?” Of course, the way that John’s baptism would have been “from heaven” was if God was the source of the revelation. John did not get the idea on his own, it came “from heaven.”

The verse makes the idiom clear: things could be “from heaven,” only from God, or they could only be “from men.” The idiom is the same when used of Jesus. Jesus is “from God,” “from heaven” or “from above” in the sense that God is his Father and thus his origin.

Now this might change some of your reasoning I would think.

Bless you,

APAK
 

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thank "apak"
Well I do see more of your view now although I do not agree with it as a whole

this is the first step, now you're begining to see, it's not about agreeing with "ME" but with the Word of God.

now it makes me no difference about translation, but more so with definitions.

in 90% of the translation you posted they are in agrement to the Lord Jesus being in the "FORM" of God.
question time, "what is the definition of "Form". I'll let you provide your definition first, me being a gentleman, since i went first the last time ... (smile).

then I'll respond

again take things one step at a time. ok.
 

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Before I get into your post more deeply, I would like to know if you are familiar with local idioms and common expressions of the Bible? John 3:13 has one in it.

(Joh 3:13) No one has ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.(NEV)

Or, “No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.” (NIV)

No human being had ever ascended into heaven John said. Further, John said only the son of man, Jesus, has ascended into heaven the one who was born of God (who is and descended from heaven).

Now the common idiom that folks were familiar with was ‘he that descended or came from heaven.’ Jesus never literally came from heaven at his birth, he was born by God as any human being. God came out/down from heaven or brought his spirit with power to perform the miracle of his birth. Jesus was born of God would be a modern translation.

The Jews would never understand John’s words to mean that Christ “incarnated.” For those that belief in this extraordinary idea.

The expression “came from heaven” represented God as the sole source.

In James 1:17, it states that every good gift is “from above” and “comes down” from God. What James means is clear. God is the source of all good things in our lives. God works invisibly to provide what we require.

John the Baptist was a man “sent from God” (John 1:6). John never came from heaven although God out of heaven sent for John, even from his birth.

In Matt 21:25 when Jesus queries and said, “John’s baptism—where did it come from? Was it from heaven or from men?” Of course, the way that John’s baptism would have been “from heaven” was if God was the source of the revelation. John did not get the idea on his own, it came “from heaven.”

The verse makes the idiom clear: things could be “from heaven,” only from God, or they could only be “from men.” The idiom is the same when used of Jesus. Jesus is “from God,” “from heaven” or “from above” in the sense that God is his Father and thus his origin.

Now this might change some of your reasoning I would think.

Bless you,

APAK
"Apak" are you saying that Jesus is God phyical, biological son? yes or no

Please answer.
 

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@dave,
A false doctrine about Christ = a false Christ
ok, good, let's examine this. Paul, then Saul was on the Road to Damascus and encounter Jesus.

my question is this. "Who chose Paul, then Saul as his minister?"

please don't use the gernic term "God", but was it the Father or the one whom you calls Jesus the Christ, the Son.

so to be clear, who chose Paul, then saul on the road to Damascus

please answer.
 

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farouk said:
Biblically it's Three Persons in One God, and One God in Three Persons.

Three person in one God?, that's the trinity doctrine. and and One God in Three Persons" both are polytheistic in nature.

definition of PERSON: a human being regarded as an individual.

if you have three person in ONE God then you have three individual Gods, especially if that are co-equal. for there is ONE Soul for each PERSON and God says he have "A", "A", "A" soul.

so if one have 3 person then each person much have a soul, but God said,
Isaiah 42:1 "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.


God as a whole didn't say our souls, or my souls.

so the three person any way you put is want fly.
 
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Dave L...
And you do the same thinking your sect is right and the entire church has been wrong for millennia.

Acts 2:39 says, For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
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Again, it says, For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Compare to Romans 8:30, Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

It takes predestination to be called (see Acts 2:39); and one is not justified unless he is called. One must be called and then justified to receive a glorified body unto ultimate redemption.

The conditional promise of the Holy Ghost is given to as many as the Lord our God shall call. Those who are not called will not receive the promise because they will harden their hearts when faced with the condition; for they were not predestinated unto salvation.

Then there are those who think that they will fight against sound doctrine by fulfilling the condition of the promise so that they can claim that they have the Holy Ghost, to gain advantage (see Jude 1:16 (kjv)). Their condemnation is especially just, the moment their railings against the truth are no longer done in ignorance.
 
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farouk said:
Biblically it's Three Persons in One God, and One God in Three Persons.

Three person in one God?, that's the trinity doctrine. and and One God in Three Persons" both are polytheistic in nature.

definition of PERSON: a human being regarded as an individual.

if you have three person in ONE God then you have three individual Gods, especially if that are co-equal. for there is ONE Soul for each PERSON and God says he have "A", "A", "A" soul.

so if one have 3 person then each person much have a soul, but God said,
Isaiah 42:1 "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.


God as a whole didn't say our souls, or my souls.

so the three person any way you put is want fly.
I know I need to stop sitting on the fence. I denied the Trinity once; maybe it is best if I just cross over into new territory and agree with diversified Oneness wholeheartedly.

The way I see it the Persons in the Godhead are distinct from each other: the Father is not the Son, but the Son is the Father (Isaiah 9:6). And His name, rather, the name of His Spirit, once released back to the Father, will be called "Wonderful Counsellor". (also Isaiah 9:6). Really, this has already happened.

People will see the truth of these things eventually; for the zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this (Isaiah 9:7).
 
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