It doesnt the devil deceives men he is very good at it.Yes. So how can the LAW itself then trick someone? I do not understand the point you made.
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It doesnt the devil deceives men he is very good at it.Yes. So how can the LAW itself then trick someone? I do not understand the point you made.
Oh so foolish. Im alive in Christ because of what He did. Nothing I can do to save myself but have faith.Do you believe "dying in your sin" means to pay for your sin..
IE "the wages of sin is death"?
It isn't the law that is killing you. It is your sin. Ignoring the law doesn't make your sin go away. Only Jesus can do that. The law is good because it points out your sin. You need that or you won't go to Jesus.Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
it kills people is that a good thing, is that holy is that good for men to die in their sins as you seem to believe we should..
You asserted that LAW creates more sin, yet the only reason we see more crime is because crime is not punished properly according to Gods commands. If you don't believe in keeping Gods commandments (for whatever reason...) then where does the current LAW of grace protect those who will become victims of crime (the innocent abider to Gods Law or children/minors etc) ?
Yes. So how can the LAW itself then trick someone? I do not understand the point you made.
I have been endeavouring to understand why Paul conveyed what he did, I tend to be one of those who believe in context and if you understand the purpose for something being said it brings a wider understanding of the words being conveyed.
The way Paul writes is often a barrier to me, It bugs me because I want to understand in basic terms what he is saying - tried to do an open university course on his writings, still have the books - but I just couldn't get beyond the first stage of the course !!!
I know Paul was writing those young in faith, and perhaps they were presuming that they could do what they wanted and it didn't matter because they were saved, because they had grace .........
Over to the more In tune to his words !!
Perhaps someone can actually explain in simple terms what is meant by Paul
Rita
Yes. So how can the LAW itself then trick someone? I do not understand the point you made.
It is no coincidence that the Lord began the Decalogue with the wordspeople have a hard time understanding spiritual things because there are seeming contradictions in the flesh. Grace seems to be saying something very different than the law of God. The flesh cannot discern the truth because of self-interest. But both grace and the law are speaking of Christ. So then many are fooled by thinking that grace has eliminated the law. The law becomes like fine print on a contract. But that small print needs to be observed or else grace is subverted.
The purpose of the law to is show whether grace is present or not. Many claim to have grace but are actually just lawless.
It is no coincidence that the Lord began the Decalogue with the words
" I am the Lord thy God which brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage". Before He expounded upon the law, He revealed His grace.
You actually referred to the LAW as the trick, now your saying it is the devil.It doesnt the devil deceives men he is very good at it.
How can you possibly be "alive in christ" AND be lawless?Oh so foolish. Im alive in Christ because of what He did. Nothing I can do to save myself but have faith.
Tell me what you consider Scripture and I will answer. And why do you wear that Christian tag? Your rock has been turned over.
Stranger
Hi Stranger,Hello
Your post #33 was relevant of course as you are trying to understand your Christian experience in light of what Paul has said in (Romans). Don't feel alone in having a hard time with Paul's writings. The disciples had a hard time with them also. (2 Peter 3:15-16) .
In all of Scripture there is simplicity and there is depth. It all depends on where you are at with the Lord. But no matter where one is with the Lord, he should do a complete study of the book of (Romans). It is foundational to the Christian faith. It is Paul's Gospel. It is that which the risen Jesus Christ revealed to him. Instead, everyone turns to the 'Sermon on the Mount' as foundational for the Christian faith, which is nothing but law.
My advice, take it or leave it, would be to get a good commentary on (Romans) and a good study Bible and a notepad and pen, and sit down and go through the whole book, taking notes just like you were in a class room. Such a study would take a long time, but that doesn't matter. For a commentary I would recommend W.R. Newell's on (Romans).
Stranger
Two strong keys to the thought of Paul are likely to be the victory of grace over the flesh through faith in Christ, and the purposes of God for Israel independently of the church, which by grace has its own glorious prospect and warfare.Hi Stranger,
It's not the whole of Pauls teaching , it's just the way he communicates some things, not sure if I have ever studied the whole book of Romans in one go, may be I will do that. Never really ever looked at the sermon on the mount as foundational. I would put the cross at the centre
I will consider the commentary you have mentioned , thank you.
Rita
I think people get very confused about what Paul calls the law......or works of the law...which is Judaism. Some Jewish believers preached that Gentiles must convert to Judaism to be saved. Paul sought to correct this.
But this is not the same thing as the law of God....which is to be written on our hearts. Love for God and all people. All people will be judged by the law of God......whereas the law of Moses (Judaism) is obsolete.
You cant and that is why those is in Chris dont need the law, it is for the sinners the unrighteous, what you and out friend @brakelite are saying is yoiu have not the righteousness of Christ and you are both sinners and therefore not saved, You can be a sinner and saved, that would make God a liar. Are you sure you are not a SDA because you sure sound like one.How can you possibly be "alive in Christ" AND be lawless?
Those in Christ are free from Sin, if you love you sin so much, than keep the law, it is there for people just like you, who reject grace for the sake of your miserable flesh.It isn't the law that is killing you. It is your sin. Ignoring the law doesn't make your sin go away. Only Jesus can do that. The law is good because it points out your sin. You need that or you won't go to Jesus.
Of course if you don't sin, then great. The law won't speak to you. But you can't go through life clinging to the mystery of lawlessness. That's apostasy.
I think your doing an excellent job of confusing yourself. I never said you COULD be both a sinner and saved. What is SDA?You cant and that is why those is in Chris dont need the law, it is for the sinners the unrighteous, what you and out friend @brakelite are saying is yoiu have not the righteousness of Christ and you are both sinners and therefore not saved, You can be a sinner and saved, that would make God a liar. Are you sure you are not a SDA because you sure sound like one.
Those in Christ are free from Sin, if you love you sin so much, than keep the law, it is there for people just like you, who reject grace for the sake of your miserable flesh.
Hi Stranger,
It's not the whole of Pauls teaching , it's just the way he communicates some things, not sure if I have ever studied the whole book of Romans in one go, may be I will do that. Never really ever looked at the sermon on the mount as foundational. I would put the cross at the centre
I will consider the commentary you have mentioned , thank you.
Rita
Not convincing myself of anything Christ did that, dont you believe Him,I think your doing an excellent job of confusing yourself. I never said you COULD be both a sinner and saved. What is SDA?
Who are you trying to convince? Yourself?
You should get goosebumps it is true.,...1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
I got goosebumps reading that!!
Who wrote Gal 2:16?
Actually don't tell me, I think I can guess who would say that....