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Featured Alive without the Law (Rom. 7:9)

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Stranger, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    It doesnt the devil deceives men he is very good at it.
     
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    Oh so foolish. Im alive in Christ because of what He did. Nothing I can do to save myself but have faith.
     
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    It isn't the law that is killing you. It is your sin. Ignoring the law doesn't make your sin go away. Only Jesus can do that. The law is good because it points out your sin. You need that or you won't go to Jesus.
    Of course if you don't sin, then great. The law won't speak to you. But you can't go through life clinging to the mystery of lawlessness. That's apostasy.
     
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    Tell me what you consider Scripture and I will answer. And why do you wear that Christian tag? Your rock has been turned over.

    Stranger
     
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    Stranger Well-Known Member

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    Hello

    Your post #33 was relevant of course as you are trying to understand your Christian experience in light of what Paul has said in (Romans). Don't feel alone in having a hard time with Paul's writings. The disciples had a hard time with them also. (2 Peter 3:15-16) .

    In all of Scripture there is simplicity and there is depth. It all depends on where you are at with the Lord. But no matter where one is with the Lord, he should do a complete study of the book of (Romans). It is foundational to the Christian faith. It is Paul's Gospel. It is that which the risen Jesus Christ revealed to him. Instead, everyone turns to the 'Sermon on the Mount' as foundational for the Christian faith, which is nothing but law.

    My advice, take it or leave it, would be to get a good commentary on (Romans) and a good study Bible and a notepad and pen, and sit down and go through the whole book, taking notes just like you were in a class room. Such a study would take a long time, but that doesn't matter. For a commentary I would recommend W.R. Newell's on (Romans).

    Stranger
     
  6. Episkopos

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    people have a hard time understanding spiritual things because there are seeming contradictions in the flesh. Grace seems to be saying something very different than the law of God. The flesh cannot discern the truth because of self-interest. But both grace and the law are speaking of Christ. So then many are fooled by thinking that grace has eliminated the law. The law becomes like fine print on a contract. But that small print needs to be observed or else grace is subverted.

    The purpose of the law to is show whether grace is present or not. Many claim to have grace but are actually just lawless.
     
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    It is no coincidence that the Lord began the Decalogue with the words
    " I am the Lord thy God which brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage". Before He expounded upon the law, He revealed His grace.
     
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    Amen. The law only condemns us when we are acting outside of the power, life and presence of God. It reveals us for who we are...weak. So it really comes down to this simple thing.....are we acting WITH God in what we do? With God is grace and the ability to do all things. His strength makes keeping the law easy. So then grace is the strength that comes from God....and not God looking the other way in our weakness. He gives us strength (grace) to do His will which is the law of God.
     
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    I think people get very confused about what Paul calls the law......or works of the law...which is Judaism. Some Jewish believers preached that Gentiles must convert to Judaism to be saved. Paul sought to correct this.

    But this is not the same thing as the law of God....which is to be written on our hearts. Love for God and all people. All people will be judged by the law of God......whereas the law of Moses (Judaism) is obsolete.
     
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    You actually referred to the LAW as the trick, now your saying it is the devil.
    ?

    How can you possibly be "alive in christ" AND be lawless?


    You are a liar and you sound like a broken record ....so I really cannot allow myself to take you seriously.
     
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    Hi Stranger,
    It's not the whole of Pauls teaching , it's just the way he communicates some things, not sure if I have ever studied the whole book of Romans in one go, may be I will do that. Never really ever looked at the sermon on the mount as foundational. I would put the cross at the centre
    I will consider the commentary you have mentioned , thank you.
    Rita
     
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    Two strong keys to the thought of Paul are likely to be the victory of grace over the flesh through faith in Christ, and the purposes of God for Israel independently of the church, which by grace has its own glorious prospect and warfare.
     
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    Judaism is not based on the Torah.

    Judaism is based on the oral and compiled traditions of men (100% oral interpretation) who observed the Israelites in captivity.
    "Jews" are guided by the Babylonian Talmud as their highest authority.

    All of Judaism comes directly from the Pharasees and Saducees, which is why they revere the mysticism of magic contained in the Zohar and Kabbalah....also why they rejected Jesus, who taught 100% Torah and because they did not recognise the Torah they did not recognise nor accept the Torah' greatest TEACHER.
     
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    You cant and that is why those is in Chris dont need the law, it is for the sinners the unrighteous, what you and out friend @brakelite are saying is yoiu have not the righteousness of Christ and you are both sinners and therefore not saved, You can be a sinner and saved, that would make God a liar. Are you sure you are not a SDA because you sure sound like one.
     
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    Those in Christ are free from Sin, if you love you sin so much, than keep the law, it is there for people just like you, who reject grace for the sake of your miserable flesh.
     
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    I think your doing an excellent job of confusing yourself. I never said you COULD be both a sinner and saved. What is SDA?

    Who are you trying to convince? Yourself?
     
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    Sounds good, I encourage you to do that. And you're quite welcome.

    'Stranger
     
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    Not convincing myself of anything Christ did that, dont you believe Him,

    Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    are you not free....

    1Jn_3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

    and

    1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
    1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
    1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

    and if you are perfect in love for what reason do you need laws.

    Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    yep not you nor our other friends, not one.
     
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    1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    I got goosebumps reading that!!



    Who wrote Gal 2:16?
    Actually don't tell me, I think I can guess who would say that....
     
  20. mjrhealth

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    You should get goosebumps it is true.,...

    what is it you dont understand, when you come to Christ, truly, not just by pitfull repeating of words, than God put His seed, His Spirit inside us, that is the seed of the new man, just as HE did with Mary, and as we listen and learn from Him that seed gets life and it grows, without Him and His words it will just becomes stunted , a tree without food cannot grow, and if we are not hearing from Him we are not growing.
     
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