Real Christians Stand up and Condemn the LBGT, Transgender Abomination.

[OzSpen]

Actually, it is. In this scripture, Jesus is showing or letting people know they are not showing love for The True God or his Only-Begotten Son by Jesus saying to them that those that don't show love for The True God people who are Jesus Christ disciples or followers(True Christians) will depart into everlasting punishment.

Barney,

You gloss over some important biblical material about what the ungodly do. They are MORE than being unloving towards God:

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness....

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshipped and served created things rather than the Creator – who is for ever praised. Amen (Rom 1:18, 21-25 NIV).​

That's far more serious than your labelling them as people who don't love God.

They 'suppress the truth by their wickedness' is not some luvy, duvy failure to love God. They hate God and worship created things rather than the Creator.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

We all know that the scriptures which are God word teach us that all those who practice all forms of sexual immorality, which include homosexuality and lesbianism and those who change themselves from a male to female or vice-versa will not be in Gods Kingdom. That doesn't give us the right however to ignore the rights of human beings. God doesn't ignore the rights of human beings. God tells people they are accountable to him for their choices. God allows people to form organizations such as LBGT and others like it. God allows people to form organizations that say there is no God, that doesn't mean we agree with what they say and do. We don't, however, ignore peoples rights. People have the right to form such organizations. We as Christians understand that it's wrong for a man to lay with another man the way a man lays with a woman or the way a woman lays with another woman as she would lay with a man, but we don't force our morality on them nor do we physically or emotionally abuse them. two men who get married or two women who do the same thing have the right to do that. We as Christians don't ignore their rights. We certainly don't abuse them physically or emotionally when they exercise their rights. Do we agree with what they are doing? No, we do not.

Barney,

Could you please divide your posts, like this one, into much smaller paragraphs?

When you don't divide a long paragraph into smaller ones, I don't choose to read it. To help me better understand what you write, I'd encourage you to learn how to use smaller paragraphs.

See, 'The Secrets to Good Paragraph Writing'.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Wrong !
The Law of Israel is total regardless, it's just that Jesus came and put two above all the rest and that finished it all off, If one thinks that the Jew has another law you are wrong, they have just as any Christian has, but are lost as to the two that Jesus gave. so the Jew is lost and all that one has to do is come to Jesus, just like the Jews who did 2000 years ago. and that's it bingo ! the lights come on.

Holy Moses said of Jesus, was to come and any true Israelite know this fact, just like Nathaniel did, who was in fact a True Israelite as Jesus said so. if one rejects Holy Moses they are not worthy of being true Jews at all, not to mention one can not be a true Christian if you reject Holy Moses.

NT In Israel = the Kingdom of God, you do not have people who are not worthy, such can not enter, they are outside and in the world, lost to the Kingdom, just as it was with Adam and Eve when they disobeyed God.

We seen that in OT Israel that others are not allowed to come into Israel because they have Idols and that's why they are not to enter, as such is a pox on the Tribe in fact, such would be a curse on Israel and they would fail by adding stupid Idols into the Tribe.

True Christianity is Israel and anyone who rejects Jesus Christ is not a Israel and if such claim to be Israel, they are in fact of Satan, fact is such are doing the works of Satan because they reject Jesus Christ and any true Christian should know that is a fact, not to mention if they don't then they have another Jesus and are rejecting the true Jesus Christ.

Jesus finished of the Law and did not remove one jot of the Law and that's a fact !
The Laws are all still there but Grace abounds because Jesus added two that are above all and with in this the others come truly to light, but before this they were in darkness, just dead works. Something like a cake one could say and Jesus added what was needed and baked the cake and there you go. enjoy ! she is scrumptious ? but before this no she was not finished.

God is there for everyone every race, God never turns his back on anyone and anyone who makes out a so called race to be above others is just a nutcase. such idiots would easy fall for and follow Hitler and all his crap I am sure.

If one thinks that the so called Jew of today is some how separated from the whole world, who were the ones who followed Jesus hey ! give me and the true Jews a brake for crying out loud, some took Jesus on and were Saved and the ones who did not are nothing worthless and do not even know God ! because the fact is that no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son and anyone who rejects such is of Satan.

Reg,

Are you saying that ALL Christians need to live by ALL the laws of both the OT and NT?

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

No one is born homosexual at DuckDuckGo

There is no gay gene at DuckDuckGo

Is there a gay gene understood and promoted by CoreIssue?

 

[Marymog]

How do you relate to a work collegue who is lgbt? Do you preach at them or befriend them without approving of their lgbt and seek to win them for Jesus?

Having a opposite sex attraction is not a sin. It is when one ACTS on it (the homosexual act) that makes it a sin.

I don't "preach" to my single work colleagues about their "hook ups" they talk about in my presence and I don't "preach" to my married work colleagues when I believe they are having an extramarital affair so I wouldn't preach to my gay colleague when I am not even sure they are committing a homosexual act.

My two cents worth.....Mary

 

[Marymog]

Interesting comments. Yes homosexuality is a perversion. But, I do agree that way too much hatred has been directed, very personally, toward those caught in THAT particular sin instead of the ones we engage in and therefore deem more acceptable.

Imagine that if every man and woman that engaged in an extra-marital affair their nose would turn purple. Everyone would then know they have committed a sin. I wonder if the same "hatred" would be directed at them? IMO....Probably not!

Mary

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

What about Israel using the LAW for protection from the lawless gentile?
If you identify 2 opposing law systems (mans graceful/political laws and Gods Laws) how can you not expect discordance in society?

The gentile nations had laws such as don't murder, or steal, etc. But they were not in a covenant relationship with God until Jesus Christ died and brought the new covenant into existence which included Israel and the gentile nations. Before Jesus was born the gentile nations didn't have laws that The True God gave them that they had to worship the God Israel worshipped or bring animal sacrifices to the temple in Jerusalem or observe the Sabbath.

 

[Danube]

The gentile nations had laws such as don't murder, or steal, etc. But they were not in a covenant relationship with God until Jesus Christ died and brought the new covenant into existence which included Israel and the gentile nations. Before Jesus was born the gentile nations didn't have laws that The True God gave them that they had to worship the God Israel worshipped or bring animal sacrifices to the temple in Jerusalem or observe the Sabbath.

Ok..
So what about :
Matthew 10:5
and
Matthew 15:24

?

 

[CoreIssue]

Is there a gay gene understood and promoted by CoreIssue?

There's tons of scientific evidence that says there is no such thing as a gay gene.

Propensity and compulsion are two very different things. One is an urge then the other a demand.

 

[Danube]

There's tons of scientific evidence that says there is no such thing as a gay gene.

Propensity and compulsion are two very different things. One is an urge then the other a demand.

I agree.
Homosexuals can be given a therapy to change their thinking, much in the same way that pornography can be overcome by training thought patterns, it has been developed and has successfully treated men and women who were homosexual for many years and now they live and think differently. It was media suppressed in the 80s or early 90s I think. I will see if I can find it again. Not making any promises I can find the docs though, but yeah homosexual thoughts can be extinguished from the mind completely and successfully without drugs and just with simple counseling strategy, using a brain training technique that was recorded and documented in the past.
I remember someone telling me something similar once that if Mk Ultra mind warfare can be successful on the unsuspecting mind then it is equally understandable that it can be reversed or even prevent the changes in the way thinking is percieved to become brainwashed.

In a lawless society, there is no fear of consequence, so committing and accommodating enmasse homosexual acts in our modern day social enviroment is at least one way that would be needed to actively encourage its popularity and brainwash people into believing it to be a safe worthwhile option or lifestyle.
The premise of no discouragement = tacit encouragement by increasing the severity or popularity in numbers of practically ANY sin.
That is why SIN can and does become accepted as a " social norm".

Proverbs 11:14

It took the Marxists (frankfurt school) only 50 years to make homosexuality accepted by the general public, which then became easily self encouraged by the homosexuals themselves by safety in numbers.
Peer pressure, media, education etc etc

 

[bbyrd009]

Real Christians Stand up and Condemn

there is no condemnation in those who are in Christ

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Real Christians Stand up and Condemn

there is no condemnation in those who are in Christ

We want to say there is no more condemnation toward us ...but rarely ask if condemnation is coming out of our mouth by which we are already judged.

 

[Danube]

We want to say there is no more condemnation toward us ...but rarely ask if condemnation is coming out of our mouth by which we are already judged.

No one who has the Son will be engaging in homosexual acts. The HOLY spirit would not be guiding anyone to engage in homosexual acts. To continue in this kind of sin is to continue to DENY the Holy Spirit.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

No one who has the Son will be engaging in homosexual acts. The HOLY spirit would not be guiding anyone to engage in homosexual acts. To continue in this kind of sin is to continue to DENY the Holy Spirit.

He sets before us life and death.
He sets before us cursing or blessing.
We speak life not death.
We bless not curse.
Damnation is for the sons of perdition. There is no more condemnation for those who are in Christ. Living Waters come out of them. Life.

 

[bbyrd009]

amen! work on that plank you got, and don' worry 'bout the splinters!

but practically speaking, "prophets gone a'whoring" does not mean that prophets went in to literal prostitutes, either, see. And further, the term "homosexuals" is an English tranny that the Lex will not bear out. "Hedonists" or similar would be much more apt, imo anyway, but bam quote the Strong's term and let's see. We like to read "homosexuals" there bc it aligns with our understanding, and we accept it now bc tradition.

 

[Danube]

amen! work on that plank you got, and don' worry 'bout the splinters!

but practically speaking, "prophets gone a'whoring" does not mean that prophets went in to literal prostitutes, either, see. And further, the term "homosexuals" is an English tranny that the Lex will not bear out. "Hedonists" or similar would be much more apt, imo anyway, but bam quote the Strong's term and let's see. We like to read "homosexuals" there bc it aligns with our understanding, and we accept it now bc tradition.

Stranger still, only a HOMOSEXUAL who is defined by the unrepentant who engages in sexual practice with a member of the same sex, could be offended by the descriptive terminology, way above that of the abomination they become!
There must be a synonym for "hypocrite" within those pages too.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Reg,

Are you saying that ALL Christians need to live by ALL the laws of both the OT and NT?

Oz

They are the foundations, but one is not under the Law if you are a Christian, because you are under Grace.
When one is under Grace one can see that it's not the Letter of the Law but what the intent of the Law really is. we do not just toss it all away or reject any of it, but it still exist, as it is Gods Laws in fact, or why would God make a Law in the first place ? Jesus never said anything against one thing of the Law, but fulfilled the Law, by adding what was needed to do so for Man, this is coming from the Holy Spirit giving Grace to the whole subject.
The Law is under Grace, not the letter of the Law anymore, such is coming from a totally different prospect, that some just can not get there head around, because they think that the letter of the Law is coming into Christianity, but it's not at all, it's changed fundamentally it's a different perspective because we have the good Grace to see the difference between the Letter of the Law being a dead work, no one is saved by the letter of the Law. it never saved but only condemned. but Jesus came and added them two Laws that must come before every thing of the Law, that must be obeyed, we are not under the Law, we are under Grace and can put the Law into perspective as to man.

If one was to take Grace away and hand the Law back to the Jew then you are under the letter of the Law and will be dealt with as such, just like it is with all the Socialist, Communist, Nazis, are truly under, because such in fact truly reject Grace.

If one does not know God how can they have Grace, such only do the works of man and are lost as to the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ is not within them and as such they do not have Grace.

When I talk to people I can see they do not know God and are lost and are just carnal man a wild beast is within them, they may even say that they are not against the Law of the OT but the problem is that they do not understand the position and if they do not comprehend the difference well they are lost and they are lost to the Holy Spirit and Grace.

It's the Holy Spirit that will confirm such and Grace abound, other than that one will mistake the difference between the two perspectives. the Jew not knowing God and anyone not knowing God will not comprehend the two perspectives and are condemned and them who try to dismiss the Law are of Satan, trying to lead all astray.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Satanic spirits are why people become sodomites and lesbians. Unclean spirits.

All those demons Jesus cast into the pigs didn't just vanish or expire. They and an innumerable host just like them are in the world today killing, stealing and destroying.

These spirits influence men and women to do every evil thing the devil has invented. How so?

2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJVS
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[26] And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

There is Ecclesiastes says nothing new under the sun. The same spirits that sent inhabitants of sodom to their destruction are still at work today.

This is truth and the Bible says that who we yield our members (flesh) to we become slaves to it.
Romans 6:16-22 King James Version (KJV)
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

 

[bbyrd009]

Stranger still, only a HOMOSEXUAL who is defined by the unrepentant who engages in sexual practice with a member of the same sex, could be offended by the descriptive terminology, way above that of the abomination they become!
There must be a synonym for "hypocrite" within those pages too.

Zing, ya. So we can see how the passages say one thing, in the like cover story, but reveal a whole other thing, seemingly unrelated. I love that stuff.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Barney,

You gloss over some important biblical material about what the ungodly do. They are MORE than being unloving towards God:

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness....

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshipped and served created things rather than the Creator – who is for ever praised. Amen (Rom 1:18, 21-25 NIV).​

That's far more serious than your labelling them as people who don't love God.

They 'suppress the truth by their wickedness' is not some luvy, duvy failure to love God. They hate God and worship created things rather than the Creator.

Oz

I'm saying churches such as Baptists, Methodist, Catholics, Seven Day Adventist, etc. because of their lack of love for The True God refuse to believe the truth about the true God but continue to believe and preach their God dishonoring Doctrines such as the Trinity, hellfire doctrine, immortality of the soul, etc and because of that God gave these organizations up to follow their own desires and this is ehy

Ok..
So what about :
Matthew 10:5
and
Matthew 15:24

?

These two scriptures show that although Jesus dealt with a few gentiles it was not yet time to focus on the gentiles. Jesus when on earth focused on preaching about the kingdom of God to Israel and Judah. It would not be until after Jesus death and resurrection that the preaching of the kingdom of God would be preached to the gentiles.

Ok..
So what about :
Matthew 10:5
and
Matthew 15:24

?