Real Christians Stand up and Condemn the LBGT, Transgender Abomination.

[Danube]

I'm saying churches such as Baptists, Methodist, Catholics, Seven Day Adventist, etc. because of their lack of love for The True God refuse to believe the truth about the true God but continue to believe and preach their God dishonoring Doctrines such as the Trinity, hellfire doctrine, immortality of the soul, etc and because of that God gave these organizations up to follow their own desires and this is ehy


These two scriptures show that although Jesus dealt with a few gentiles it was not yet time to focus on the gentiles. Jesus when on earth focused on preaching about the kingdom of God to Israel and Judah. It would not be until after Jesus death and resurrection that the preaching of the kingdom of God would be preached to the gentiles.

So where did Jesus give those instructions to preach unto the gentiles to be carried out after he ascended or at anytime in the future?

 

[OzSpen]

There's tons of scientific evidence that says there is no such thing as a gay gene.

Propensity and compulsion are two very different things. One is an urge then the other a demand.

Why don't you provide links to the 'tons of scientific evidence' rather than making this assertion?

 

[OzSpen]

They are the foundations, but one is not under the Law if you are a Christian, because you are under Grace.
When one is under Grace one can see that it's not the Letter of the Law but what the intent of the Law really is. we do not just toss it all away or reject any of it, but it still exist, as it is Gods Laws in fact, or why would God make a Law in the first place ? Jesus never said anything against one thing of the Law, but fulfilled the Law, by adding what was needed to do so for Man, this is coming from the Holy Spirit giving Grace to the whole subject.
The Law is under Grace, not the letter of the Law anymore, such is coming from a totally different prospect, that some just can not get there head around, because they think that the letter of the Law is coming into Christianity, but it's not at all, it's changed fundamentally it's a different perspective because we have the good Grace to see the difference between the Letter of the Law being a dead work, no one is saved by the letter of the Law. it never saved but only condemned. but Jesus came and added them two Laws that must come before every thing of the Law, that must be obeyed, we are not under the Law, we are under Grace and can put the Law into perspective as to man.

If one was to take Grace away and hand the Law back to the Jew then you are under the letter of the Law and will be dealt with as such, just like it is with all the Socialist, Communist, Nazis, are truly under, because such in fact truly reject Grace.

If one does not know God how can they have Grace, such only do the works of man and are lost as to the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ is not within them and as such they do not have Grace.

When I talk to people I can see they do not know God and are lost and are just carnal man a wild beast is within them, they may even say that they are not against the Law of the OT but the problem is that they do not understand the position and if they do not comprehend the difference well they are lost and they are lost to the Holy Spirit and Grace.

It's the Holy Spirit that will confirm such and Grace abound, other than that one will mistake the difference between the two perspectives. the Jew not knowing God and anyone not knowing God will not comprehend the two perspectives and are condemned and them who try to dismiss the Law are of Satan, trying to lead all astray.

Reg,

How come that the Law was given to the Israelites and not the Gentiles, e.g. Lev 11:1-3 (NIV), Ex 20:1-17 (NIV)?

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

I'm saying churches such as Baptists, Methodist, Catholics, Seven Day Adventist, etc. because of their lack of love for The True God refuse to believe the truth about the true God but continue to believe and preach their God dishonoring Doctrines such as the Trinity, hellfire doctrine, immortality of the soul, etc and because of that God gave these organizations up to follow their own desires and this is ehy

Barney,

What is the topic of this thread? 'Real Christians Stand up and Condemn the LBGT, Transgender Abomination' is the topic.

You allege:

God dishonoring Doctrines such as the Trinity, hellfire doctrine, immortality of the soul

That is not dealing with the OP. I suggest you start a few new threads such as:

1. 'The Trinity is a God-dishonouring doctrine';
2. 'The hellfire doctrine is straight out of hell';
3. 'The immortality of the soul is a concocted doctrine generated by well-meaning Christians'.

These are only suggestions to deal with the topics you have raised that don't fit with the OP.

Oz

 

[bbyrd009]

Homosexuals can be given a therapy to change their thinking

The ones you can see with two eyes, yes; the literal ones, that don't matter. But the spiritual ones are a diff story I guess. But again, "homosexuals" is likely not the best choice of terms there anyway, although I've forgotten the orig term, from the Lex.

 

[Danube]

The ones you can see with two eyes, yes; the literal ones, that don't matter. But the spiritual ones are a diff story I guess. But again, "homosexuals" is likely not the best choice of terms there anyway, although I've forgotten the orig term, from the Lex.

It's a minor premise really, once we have both established we can converse in the same language and understand the content with its descriptives within that language.
I use the term HOMOSEXUAL because it is in my view anyway an unbiased and easily identifiable term.
Abomination is the biblical term used.

 

[bbyrd009]

It's a minor premise really, once we have both established we can converse in the same language and understand the content with its descriptives within that language.
I use the term HOMOSEXUAL because it is in my view anyway an unbiased and easily identifiable term.
Abomination is the biblical term used.

Well let's admit that we use "homo" bc that is what we have been provided by our English translators, yes? I'm not able to consult a Lex at the moment, but 'abomination' is merely an adjective there and not the actual noun, if I recall right?

Also, what is a Spiritual Homosexual?

 

[bbyrd009]

It's a minor premise really, once we have both established we can converse in the same language and understand the content with its descriptives within that language.
I use the term HOMOSEXUAL because it is in my view anyway an unbiased and easily identifiable term.
Abomination is the biblical term used.

Strong's Greek: 733a. arsenokoités -- a sodomite
But this has been almost completely eviscerated now, it read diff like a year ago even, and I can't dig much deeper with this spoon I am using, but if the relevant 2 parent terms within are searched we might find "bed man" right away, which is ringing some bells from last time I did this, that isn't the best phrase I guess but I don't recall the phrase we ended up with last time; but I think it was much closer to "hedonist."

At any rate, I am not going to end up sanctifying even monogamous homos here, that isn't the point, so much as to illuminate the spiritual ones, much more pertinent. Where I would end up would be something close to "being as how I am prolly a spiritual homo, literal homos are not even on my radar"

 

[Danube]

Well let's admit that we use "homo" bc that is what we have been provided by our English translators, yes? I'm not able to consult a Lex at the moment, but 'abomination' is merely an adjective there and not the actual noun, if I recall right?

Also, what is a Spiritual Homosexual?

Sodomites can be quite a broad term too as it includes the violent act of forbidden penetration in heterosexuals also. I was getting "male temple prostitute" in the mixture which is clearly correct only in specific context.
I do not really want to use words like queer (strange) gay (happy) etc etc anymore, however you do have a valid point imho.
I have stuck with HOMOSEXUAL because it is still difficult to lose the meaning when using the word in a conversation about LGBTQ with LGBTQ proponants (which is all alphabet soup to me anyway and best avoided imho).
One thing I will add though is the need for the LGBTQ crowd to seek authority of the meanings, because then the fight is in there arena, that is why you have a valid point because that way you keep the explaination as a constant unchangeable term. This is why there is a push for changing terms to suit there perogatives and not those who do not wish to defend them.
It is all linguistics and due to the different stages of understanding people might have the term HOMOSEXUAL still delivers (unless we are debating in intellectual circles where here/forums tend to be more like a slanging match and poorly or purposefully poorly moderated).

Tell me what a spiritual homo is please or how you define this term.
Thanks

 

[bbyrd009]

Tell me what a spiritual homo is please or how you define this term.

imo it is another way to describe a determinist, or a Greek in Scriptural terminology, ha as well as cliché I guess. I guess Greeks were known for this at the time, too. So basically it is maybe another way to express...um, the other end of the spectrum from "prophets gone a whoring," so to speak. One would be legalism, the other lawlessness. One does not admit Eves, the other is all Eves. i'm still guessing here, dunno the best way to put it

 

[bbyrd009]

a point here is that the sins of Sodom are listed, and homosexuality per se is not among them

 

[Helen]

If we are casting stones...then let us get it RIGHT!

Homosexuality or whatever word we wish to use...is NOT ALONE as an ABOMINATION....we cannot cherry-pick our favourite scriptures...

Proverbs 6-16
16 "These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."


I do not see God saying here that Sodomy is the worst of all sins.
In fact , last time I looked , sin is just that SIN!
Which includes gossips, backbites , evil speaking...gluttony, ...
So...in the light of all this shall we start stoning all the fat people??
Will you pluck out your offending eye?
Cut off your offending hand.

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

I do not pretend to understand their situation...but sin is sin..some are just more easily identified. We need to keep our own 'vineyard' in good order ...first.

 

[CoreIssue]

Why don't you provide links to the 'tons of scientific evidence' rather than making this assertion?

I did. You didn't read.

 

[Danube]

Grace: Yes perhaps, only this is not the same as throwing stones as it is more about defending our children from this assualt on the mind (it IS called getting our own vineyard in order....what else can it be called?).

A perversion it all is, I guess you are either for it or against it, accommodating or critical. I see no harm in the defending against it because I see the sin as a GENUINE harm to our children.

God HATES the proud sinner (opposed to repentence).

We should be able to call a sin, ....a sin though.

And STOP PANDERING to those who promote it, you take part in their SIN!

Those stones coming my way (homophobe, hate-criminal blah blah racist) will bounce of the armour of truth.

 

[mjrhealth]

Grace: Yes perhaps, only this is not the same as throwing stones as it is more about defending our children from this assualt on the mind (it IS called getting our own vineyard in order....what else can it be called?).

A perversion it all is and I guess you are either for it or against it, accommodating or critical. I so no harm in the defending against it because I see the sin as a GENUINE harm.

God HATES the proud sinner (opposed to repentence).

We should be able to call a sin, a sin though.

And stop pandering to those who promote it.
Those stones coming my way (homophobe, hate-criminal blah blah) will bounce of the armour of truth.

So should God destroy the whole world again because of sin, should He not just destroy all mankind since we are all under sin, but you look with your eyes and cannot see, you only see the outside, and are blind.

Joh 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Joh 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

most imp0ortantly

Mat_7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Luk_6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

 

[OzSpen]

Abomination is the biblical term used [concerning homosexuality].

Danube,

It's the biblical term used (in the OT) but it is not the Christian term used (in the NT).

If I'm wrong, please show me where the NT states homosexuality is an 'abomination'?

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

I did. You didn't read.

Please refer me to your specific post numbers where you gave the links to the evidence.

 

[CoreIssue]

So should God destroy the whole world again because of sin, should He not just destroy all mankind since we are all under sin, but you look with your eyes and cannot see, you only see the outside, and are blind.

Joh 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Joh 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

most imp0ortantly

Mat_7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Luk_6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Where did God destroy the earth before?

He destroyed those living on it twice before, but never the earth itself.

God's patience with man will not last forever.

Romans 9:22-33 New International Version (NIV)
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

Homosexuality was a death penalty in the OT per God.

Read the seven churches of Revelation for the warnings God gives about sex sin being tolerated.

 

[CoreIssue]

Please refer me to your specific post numbers where you gave the links to the evidence.

There is no gay gene at DuckDuckGo

 

[mjrhealth]

Where did God destroy the earth before?

He destroyed those living on it twice before, but never the earth itself.

God's patience with man will not last forever.

Romans 9:22-33 New International Version (NIV)
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

Homosexuality was a death penalty in the OT per God.

Read the seven churches of Revelation for the warnings God gives about sex sin being tolerated.

Isnt teh reward of al lsin death, funny thing is it not.

Now I can just see the devil, the accuser of men, standing before God, well God this man is a homosexual and deserves death, and God says "where are your witnesses?", and satan ,with a big smile on his face , swipes his and and says, "here God thousands upon thousand of christians who are all in agreement with me" they have all judged them and found them guilty". And God sheds more tears for ignorant man.