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I'm asking how you explain passages that prove God is not one person. Here's a few more for all to think about.
Here's another challenge for all to read.I have answered, but I'm about clarity,
God speaking to God? who said that? let's see if this is true.
Matthew 17:1 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Matthew 17:2 "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Matthew 17:3 "And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Matthew 17:4 "Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Matthew 17:5 "While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
ok, lets count
#1. Jesus in verse 1
#2. the Voice of ???? in the cloud, not from heaven, but OUT of the cloud
that's only one? and how do we know that's it one for sure?, for we have corroborating evidence here in this case,
Exhibit A. 2 Peter 1:16 "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2 Peter 1:17 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
here we have a "VOICE" from the excellent glory. ok, is this the VOICE of God?, lets see,
Exhibit B. while we're in 2 Peter 1, let's see what or who the voice belong to? verse 18 "And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
ok, in this verse eye witness Peter, now an apostle, said the voice "CAME FROM HEAVEN".
but in Matthews it said the voice came "OUT OF THE CLOUD". so, which one is it? do the bible condridict itself? of course not. deductive reasoning to discover the truth that's in plain sight is simple. the voice spoke out of the cloud, but the voice of the message came from HEAVEN. understand, the source of the message originated "from "the voice in Heaven, which is God, but spoken out of the cloud here on EARTH by "a" voice. as the bible say, don't add or take away from the word.
Remember, John 5:37 "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape". ANYTIME? is not the account of matthews and Peter is a TIME?. it just said, but the voice came FROM THE EXECELLENT GLORY in Heaven, but Spoken "OUT" of the cloud.
do either Matthews or Peter's accounts states that the voice spoke is God actual voice? no. so say what the bible say. so why are you saing so?.
let's see this again in another scripture,
John 12:27 "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
John 12:28 "Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
John 12:29 "The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
John 12:30 "Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes".
HOLD IT, "This voice?". why did the Lord Jesus say "This Voice", don't he recognize the voice? why not say "my Father" Voice came..... well. if the Lord Jesus don't say, why are you saying?
EVEN so we have precedent by the Scriptures that a angel has spoken on God the Father behalf, even we will not certify that here, because it simply don't say, nor will we.
so dave, you have only one standing on the mount of transfiguration, unless you have another mountian in mind. or you count Moses and Elias as Gods .......even that want work.
see how we made it very plain.
so, don't "followed cunningly devised fables" by man, as 2 Peter 1:16 states
so that has been disprove.
PICJAG.
How do you "modalize" God in the Sodom and Gomorrah judgement?
How about:
modalism. Also known as *patripassianism and Sabellianism, modalism was deemed a heretical doctrine by the early church. To preserve the unity of God and at the same time make sense of the doctrine of the Trinity, modalist teachers like Sabellius taught that one God appeared in three distinct modes: the Father in creation, the Son in redemption and the Holy Spirit in sanctification. Modalism falls under the larger category of *monarchianism, the attempt to defend the unity of God against charges of tritheism.I have answered, but I'm about clarity,
God speaking to God? who said that? let's see if this is true.
Matthew 17:1 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Matthew 17:2 "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Matthew 17:3 "And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Matthew 17:4 "Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Matthew 17:5 "While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
ok, lets count
#1. Jesus in verse 1
#2. the Voice of ???? in the cloud, not from heaven, but OUT of the cloud
that's only one? and how do we know that's it one for sure?, for we have corroborating evidence here in this case,
Exhibit A. 2 Peter 1:16 "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2 Peter 1:17 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
here we have a "VOICE" from the excellent glory. ok, is this the VOICE of God?, lets see,
Exhibit B. while we're in 2 Peter 1, let's see what or who the voice belong to? verse 18 "And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
ok, in this verse eye witness Peter, now an apostle, said the voice "CAME FROM HEAVEN".
but in Matthews it said the voice came "OUT OF THE CLOUD". so, which one is it? do the bible condridict itself? of course not. deductive reasoning to discover the truth that's in plain sight is simple. the voice spoke out of the cloud, but the voice of the message came from HEAVEN. understand, the source of the message originated "from "the voice in Heaven, which is God, but spoken out of the cloud here on EARTH by "a" voice. as the bible say, don't add or take away from the word.
Remember, John 5:37 "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape". ANYTIME? is not the account of matthews and Peter is a TIME?. it just said, but the voice came FROM THE EXECELLENT GLORY in Heaven, but Spoken "OUT" of the cloud.
do either Matthews or Peter's accounts states that the voice spoke is God actual voice? no. so say what the bible say. so why are you saing so?.
let's see this again in another scripture,
John 12:27 "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
John 12:28 "Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
John 12:29 "The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
John 12:30 "Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes".
HOLD IT, "This voice?". why did the Lord Jesus say "This Voice", don't he recognize the voice? why not say "my Father" Voice came..... well. if the Lord Jesus don't say, why are you saying?
EVEN so we have precedent by the Scriptures that a angel has spoken on God the Father behalf, even we will not certify that here, because it simply don't say, nor will we.
so dave, you have only one standing on the mount of transfiguration, unless you have another mountian in mind. or you count Moses and Elias as Gods .......
see how we made it very plain.
so, don't "followed cunningly devised fables" by man, as 2 Peter 1:16 states
so that has been disprove.
PICJAG.
GINOLJC, to all.
How aboutGINOLJC, to all.
second, well dave the baptism of Jesus is not working for you, neither the transfiguration on the mountian either, nor will any of the others you posted here.
#1. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
This i have answered before, but once again,
Exhibit A. Who is the "US" and the "OUR" here. answer the "ANOTHER" of himself to com. what do I mean. God is a diversity of HIMSEL to Come. so when God say us or our.. ect .. he is speaking future tense of an event that's in his "dispensatations" to come. like here in Genesis 1:26. what is the dispensatation? answer another of himsel, his own IMAGE to come in flesh. but that time has not yet come at his speaking. so do we have scripture for this? yes
Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come".
The Figure, or IMAGE of "HIM" (God) that was to Come is God diversified in flesh. now to prove that it was just the Spirit, meaning ONE, who made man male and female, let's check the record right here in Genesis, chapter 5,
Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him"
Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created".
How many is "he" dave? .... (smile) ONE. see the "another" of himself had not YET "MANIFESTED" in the EARTH realm. but the FIGURE, or the IMAGE in the Male and Female which is a numerical difference did in Adam and Eve, and he himself (God) in flesh is to come.
see dave Genesis 5:1 & 2 with Romans 5:14a shoots your trinity doctrine right out of the water.
so you can't use this as a proof of any trinity anymore...
Exhibit B. Genesis 11:7 "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech".
the Answer as in Genesis 1:26, is the same here. the confusion of Language here is the prelude of the explicate, or clarifying, or being made to understand language of the nations to come. as in Genesis 1:26 it was the LORD one person who made man in "his" image that was to come, and not their image. is the one who confound men language at Babel, and the same Spirit, diversified, meaning, that was to come. on Pentecost at another "City" Jerusalemm which have not yey been builtm explicate the language of men there as his figure or his "express" image to come. scripture,
Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
HOLD it, it was the "SPIRIT". but who poured out "his" (single desigination) Spirit? was it the LORD (all cap, as in Genesis 11:7) who poured out his Spirit, or was it the Lord, (only cap "L") who was to Come, as in (Genesis 1:26, the us) who POURED OUT "HIS" Spirit. let's see.
Acts 2:32 "This Jesus (Oh, smile) hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
(Now a little side note: who raised up the body, the temple of JESUS? .. answer, Jesus himself, see John 2:19). the SAME Spirit.
dave, here in Acts 2:32 & 33 it said "he?" ... how many is he? one and was it not the LORD (all caps) in Genesis 11:7 that said "let us" go down and confound?. and in Joel 2:28 & 29 where it was prophesied that the "LORD" all caps was to pour out his Spirit. and on the day of Pentecost, it was the "Lord" (only the L is capitalized) poured out his Spirit. ... (smile), lol, lol. the same one who "confounded" the language of men in Genesis 11:7 is the same one who explicate, or clarify or mand the language of men to be understood of men by men. the same one Spirit in "ANOTHER" form .... of flesh, when Glorified with the Spirit, as Revelation 1:4 states "Which is to Come", just like Romans 5:14b said is to COME, is the same one in John 17 who was glorified, shed forth his Spirit. man oh man this is too easy.
see dave Shed forth is the same as poured out.
OT, POUR H8210 שָׁפַךְ shaphak (shaw-fak') v.
1. to spill forth (blood, a libation, liquid metal).
2. (of a solid) to mound up.
3. (figuratively) to expend (life, soul, complaint, money, etc.).
4. (intensively) to sprawl out.
[a primitive root]
KJV: cast (up), gush out, pour (out), shed(-der, out), slip.
NT, SHED FORTH: G1632 ἐκχέω ekcheo (ek-che'-ō) v.
ἐκχύνω ekchuno (ek-chï '-nō) [by variation]
1. to pour forth.
2. (figuratively) to bestow.
[from G1537 and cheo “to pour”]
KJV: gush (pour) out, run greedily (out), shed (abroad, forth), spill
Root(s): G1537
my, oh my, how long Lord Jesus will they stay in ignorance.
the SAME one PERSON who is the ANOTHER to Come, is the same one who confounded the language is the same one who in layman terms un-confounded men language. "diversity", "diversity", "diversity".
I say you're getting a good education today. see ask and it will be given unto you....
Now you cain't use that anymore......
see how scriptures just harmonize, man the scriptures are beautiful ... when you know them.
PICJAG
now dave can you answer my question? ... I know you cain't so don't worry about it. ..
Why can't you answer my questions? They are simple, few words, and to the point. How do you "modalize" this passage? Jesus speaking: “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.” (Matthew 6:9) (KJV 1900)
Matthew 6:9 "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name".
How do you "modalize" this? “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (John 14:23) (KJV 1900)Matthew 6:9 "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name".
too easy dave, listen,
John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".
did you get that dave? while he, Jesus, the diversity of God/the Spirit was on earth speaking to Nicodemus and at the same time was in heaven. read it again. see dave you don't understand possission, "my". listen,
John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God".
did you get that dave? my Father is the same as saying my "Spirit" which it is, because he is the diversity of the Spirit. my God? let's see the ONE TRUE GOD.
John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God".
now dave if the Lord Jesus is a separate person from the one whom you calls the Father, , then you have two Gods, and that ... polytheism,
well you cain't use that either, anymore ...... lol.
and since the "Lord" is God. now may I ask you a question,
Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool".
dave is the Lord the LORD? ....
I cain't wait to hear that answer. I suggest, before you answer, review all the post this morning
LOL, LOL,
How do you "modalize" “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;” (John 14:16) (KJV 1900)?LOL, LOL,
the we is the us in Genesis to COME. "diversity", "diversity", now dave did not the Father send the comforter? well what is he doing delling in us, "my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him" why send the Holy Spirit if the Father came?... lol, lol, lol.
you still don't get it, do you. let us make it plain.
Exhibit A. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
did you get it? I guess not, let us refresh your memory.
Genesis 1:26a "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
see that "US" and "OUR" there who MADE MAN. now,
Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
understand, the "US" and the "OUR" that was to come, is the "HE".
now in John 14:23 the "we" is the "HE" in John 14:16. how do we KNOW this?
1 John 3:23 "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1 John 3:24 "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
the Spirit which he gave us?
1 John 4:15 "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him".
One Lord, One God, what did Thomas say? " My Lord and my God"
that's the "us" in John 14:23 .....
so you cain't use that nether ...
let get an understanding here. you cannot put anything on the table that we cannot answer with diversity.
PICJAG.
The Spirit of Jesus is or isn't Jesus?
