The name is only used to identify your beliefs. Which were condemned several times as heresy in the early Church.
Why is it you can never directly answer a direct question?
If you are going to call people names, and then claim what you call people is a condemnation unto them.....and you then refuse to explain exactly what YOU THINK THAT NAME MEANS, AND WHY EXACTLY YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT AN OTHER PERSON BELIEVES..... seems to me like the cowardly and underhanded thing to do.
It matters not to me one iota if YOU have to compartmentalize the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit, call them SEPARATE "persons", and be YOKED with every other person who believes the same.....WHILE CALLING every other person, A HERETIC, who does not AGREE WITH YOU....that is ON YOU, the name caller.
Noting...It doesn't make you CORRECT...it makes you a Follower of men and a name caller.
My belief and understanding IS NOT LIKE YOURS. I don't LIKE the "TERMS" you choose to express yourself, and I don't LIKE the "TERMS" modelists or Monarchianism use to express themselves.....or give a rip that some men got together and counseled among themselves....to decide anyone who DID NOT USE "THEIR" terms, (separate FORMS, and SEPARATE MODES, are HERETICS....and same goes for the People who are supposedly called by the NAME TAG, the "ONENESS" believers.
LOOK pal,
I don't have to CONFORM to any mans teaching and the NAME TAG, they have selected FOR THEIR "DOCTRINE".
And the FACT is "IF YOU" want to "Identify yourself with A NAME TAG....that is "YOUR CHOICE" to do so....and ALL THE "DOCTRINE" that goes along with THAT NAME TAG, is ON YOU.
What "NAME TAG"...have I claimed to identify with, that I made "myself" subject to ALL of that particular DOCTRINE?
Answer that..... wait....don't bother...you don't listen, you simply attempt to DECIDE FOR OTHERS.
You want to slap a name tag on me....use the one I choose.......CONVERTED IN CHRIST
You want to know what my DOCTRINE IS...
It's Jesus' DOCTRINE.
You want to know what MY belief of the WORD TRINITY IS....it is:
THREE that are ONE united.
It has NOthING to do with DOCTRINE of men, who presume they OWN the word Trinity!
You spend so much time pointing your finger at others, and name calling, and pronouncing others heretics and subject to damnation..
YOU don't even Comprehend the BIG PICTURE.
So let me give you a brief analogy...
Human are Created...
Human men
A "MAN" has:
FreeWILL of thoughts they conjour up in their pea-brain/MIND...which such thoughts Constantantly WAVER, change, believe this, then change their mind and don't believe what "THEY" did believe. <--- oh gee, I just called "A MAN"...."THEY'.
A "MAN" has;
A "spirit" in his heart....which is the TRUE "thoughts" of the MAN...The Heart absolutely knows the TRUTH....and yet the MIND can conjour up LIES and DECEITFUL thoughts, and CONSIDER those thoughts in the MIND.
HELLO.....are you following?
ONE MAN....between HIS OWN MINDS thoughts and HIS OWN spirits TRUTH...is STEWING A "CONFLICT" within that ONE MANS "own" conflicting THOUGHTS.
Now consider the MANS "MOUTH"...as the mans ABILTY...TO EXPRESS his own THOUGHTS...but...WHICH thought WILL the man EXPRESS, by actual SPEAKING?
The TRUE thought in his spirit in his heart...
OR
The DECEPTIVE thought in his MIND?
A MAN has a CONSTANT CONFLICT...The spirit thinks this is true, the mind may or may not think the same is true, the mouth speaks...
Oh wait, the mind just learned something new, and believes the new thing learned is the REAL truth, but his heart is not sure and his mouth already opened and spoke something else was True....and so the conflict continues over and over and over....
^ THAT IS THE NATURE OF MANKIND...It AFFECTS every aspect of a MAN...in school, in education, in jobs, in plans, in decision making.......and IN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
God ALSO has ...
A WILL...of HIS plan.
A WORD...that comes out of HIS mouth
A SPIRIT....of POWER of HIS supreme strength.
Just as "ONE" mans ... mind, word, spirit....
ALL are "identified" and called "separate things" "they" are ALL of "ONE" man...
Not separate "persons", separate "forms".
They are ALL part of the ONE "WHOLE" man.
Just as "ONE" God...WILL, WORD, SPIRIT...
ALL are "identified" and called "separate thing". "They" are ALL of "ONE" God...
Not separate "persons", separate "forms", "separate" one from the other...
They are ALL part of the ONE "WHOLE" God.
The "GLARING" difference IS;
Mans will, minds thoughts, spirits thoughts, and words........are constantly wavering and changing.
Gods WILL, WORD, SPIRIT....are ALWAYS in Harmony...Always IN agreement...ALWAYS TRUTH...NEVER conflict one with the other....NEVER separate.
God WANTS...
1) men to be in harmony WITH other men.
2) men do not have to AGREE one with the other....but Gods WORD teaches how men "can be" in a harmonious behavior one man with another....despite....not being agreement.
3) this is BY and THROUGH Gods teaching of PRECEPTS...which is Scriptures that TEACH Gods WAY of "behaviors" of MEN toward MEN.
4) men can CHOOSE to hear, learn, practice and try to masters Gods Precepts....
5) and the outcome will be an acceptable outcome for each man involved...
6)or not...
7) and if a man chooses..."or not"....then that man will be subject to suffer the consequences of the "other man".
Setting aside, mans constant disagreement within himself, and his thoughts and truths, and changing...dealing with everyday life, decisions, family, jobs, kids, other men....
FOCUSING ON ONE man....and that ONE mans "THOUGHTS"....(in the mans mind AND spirit...and what comes out of his mouth (ie his word).......
^ that IS the BIG Picture that the entire book of Scripture is designed to Lead an individual man to the Climax...
IF, HOW, WHEN.....will a single individual man....Collectively...."THEY"...."THE"...
MIND, SPIRIT, WORD....of ONE MAN...
BE "ALL" three, in absolute agreement IN truth "OF" Belief and Agreement
IN "ALL" three ... WILL, WORD, SPIRIT...
OF thee "ONE" God.
^ THAT IS THE BIG PICTURE...
1)Gods WILL..that all men will BELIEVE IN Him.
....Fact is: ALL men 'will" believe in Him.
2)Gods WORD...that all men "will" BELIEVE IN His word.
....Fact is: ALL men will believe in His word.
3) God SPIRIT...that all men "will" freely choose to ACCEPT GODS "offered" GIFT OF "HIS SPIRIT"
....Fact is; NOT ALL men "will" choose to accept Gods gift of His "offered" SPIRIT.
Point is;
I know PRECISELY "what" I believe, and "why", and PRECISELY have "revealed"...
What I believe, Why I believe it, and What gifts God has offered, and I have chosen TO take and receive.
I didn't have to put myself in some man-made NAME TAG club, to declare my own beliefs and acceptance of Gods gifts.
I don't have to call you names, or pronounce damnation upon you, BECAUSE YOU chose to put yourself in a man-made NAME TAG club.
I don't have to AGREE with every step of your NAME TAG clubs "DOCTRINE"...and disagreeing with YOU....does not therefore mean....YOU have the authority to wag your finger and pronounce a judgement of damnation on me....
You are not my Judge. I have not sought you to be my Teacher.
I have a Teacher. I have a Judge. I am content with my Teachers Doctrine.
Men "teach" THEIR Doctrines in Creeds and Statements and THEIR Ideas, Thoughts, Opinions, Philosophies and Words.
My Teacher taught His Doctrine in Parables and Truth and Power and Authority and Godliness.
You claim YOUR DOCTRINE (of words and creeds and statements ) ARE "based" on Gods Word....and encourage others to follow what you do.
I've been clear....The Doctrine I choose to follow, IS NOT "based" on Gods Word.....but rather "IS Gods Word".
So no, I am not interested in "abandoning" the Source; and instead ...to go read "your" creeds and statement and words.....of men.
Not one person has called you names or pronounced damnation upon you, FOR your choices .... why do you do that to others?
Glory to God,
Taken