Rapture(Catching up) will be the Greatest day ever in a Born Agin Believers Life!

[Taken]

• The 144,000 will be literal Jews.
• Literal Israel will be re-gathered and converted during the great tribulation which will take place immediately before the Second Coming. God will then literally fulfill all his covenant promises to the literal nation of Israel.

Yes...ISRAEL, Gods ELECT PEOPLE, DURING the Tribulation will be "CONVERTED" "IN CHRIST" and gathered TOGETHER....

BEFORE the Tribulation, the ALREADY CONVERTED.....which is (primarily) Gentiles, Christ's CHURCH, (NOT ISRAEL)...shall be gathered together, IN THE CLOUDS WITH Christ Jesus, BEFORE Jesus RETURNS TO THE EARTH.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[brakelite]

Yes...ISRAEL, Gods ELECT PEOPLE, DURING the Tribulation will be "CONVERTED" "IN CHRIST" and gathered TOGETHER....

BEFORE the Tribulation, the ALREADY CONVERTED.....which is (primarily) Gentiles, Christ's CHURCH, (NOT ISRAEL)...shall be gathered together, IN THE CLOUDS WITH Christ Jesus, BEFORE Jesus RETURNS TO THE EARTH.

Glory to God,
Taken

A modern Jesuit perspective specifically designed to sink the Protestant hermeneutic that identified the Papacy as the Antichrist. I guess they have almost succeeded...but there remains a remnant who have not bowed the knees to Baal.

 

[Taken]

Not really. The Rapture takes place before the judgments begin.

I have already specifically said, the Rapture of the Church occurs Before the Tribulation begins.

And chances are the saints in Heaven will not be witnessing the events on earth during that time.

The CHURCH is in the CLOUDS...
In Gorified Bodies.

Those IN Heaven, are not the Church.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

A modern Jesuit perspective specifically designed to sink the Protestant hermeneutic that identified the Papacy as the Antichrist. I guess they have almost succeeded...but there remains a remnant who have not bowed the knees to Baal.

Oh good grief....the chief Anti-Christ AND the False Prophet have not BEEN Revealed, nor will be REVEALED, until the Tribulation BEGINS with Jesus OPENING of the first several SEALS.

People have been GUESSING "WHO" the chief Anti-Christ "AND" the False Prophet ....MIGHT BE, according to "WHO"

At any TIME in history; men make "guesses"..

Of WHO exhibits the MOST ...
Political POWER...
and
OF WHO exhibits the MOST ...
Religious POWER...

Today there are 195 nations in the world.

TODAY...the POLITICAL spectrum with the most exhibited POWER...IS:

The UN...with 195 nation members..
Approx. 7.6 Billion people.
General Secretary of the Counsel;
....Antonio Guterres

followed by...

The EU...with 28 nation members
Approx. 512 Million people.
Commission President;
....Jean-Claude Juncker

followed by...
The Arab League...with 22 nation members
Approx. 384 Million people.
General Secretary;
....Ahmed Aboul-Gheit

And A DISTANT following of

The Vatican City....with 1 nation member
Approx. 450 people
President;
....Giuseppe Bertello

So POLITICALLY....the Vatican is low on the totem pole to BE the Anti-Chirsts POLITICAL Leader.

RELIGIOUS POWER ~ world wide.

Christianity -
Approx 2.19 Billion People.
Approx 1.17 Billion have allegience to God, to Christ.
.....ie Protestants
Approx 1.02 Billion have allegience to God to Christ
.....ie Catholics
AND allegience TO a man called the Bishop of Roman.
....Jorge Mario Bergoglio, aka, the Pope.
....currently; called Pope Francis
.....A Catholics holy father.

Islam ~
Approx 1.5 Billion People.
Islamists have their allegience to God, to Mohammad
AND to IMAMS.

Other world religions rank well below in "millions"...(not billions) of people.

POLITICALLY....the UN organization RANKS the highest with the most MEMBER NATIONS, and PEOPLE of those NATIONS.

POLITICALLY....the UN "elected" Leaders...
SERVE in their positions, for set number of years....and then another person is "elected".

POLITICALLY....CURRENTLY...the UN is positioned to BE the most "foreseeable" future "established" ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

RELIGIOUSLY....ALL religious "Leaders"...are positioned, through, elections and or appointments.
Those that "hold" the positions, change from time to time.

The "positions"....cleric, Imam, Pope...remain the same....WHO holds the "position" changes.

RELIGIOUSLY....it has historically been...Catholic Popes....who have had the MOST individuals IN ALLEGIENCE "TO" the Pope (whomever the person is at any particular time).

Today's "figures" of Individual persons in Allegience to the POPE....ranks approx.
1.2 BILLION people.....

The Number of individual people...in Allegience TO THE POPE, out RANKS, the number of People....in Allegience TO ANY other SINGLE....Cleric or Imam.

So RELIGIOUSLY....who ever HAS BEEN the Sitting POPE has been Historically and is Today, the MOST "positioned" individual to have Appointed Religious Authority OVER the WORLD.....and should the POLITICAL Anti-Christ...desire to POSITION along side of "him"...One Person...'WITH" the MOST Religious INFLUENCE around the World....
The Bishop of Rome...ie The Pope...would be a TOP contender for the "position"....

And precisely WHY, men focus on the Pope, as a RELIGIOUS contender...during the end of days...
just as WHY, men focus on the UN, as
a POLITICAL contender...during the end of days...

It is NOT personal....JUST so far, the MOST visible Contenders....BASED ON Staticial Numbers.

You are not opposed to statical FACTS are you? Even when the statical FACTS do not appear Favorable to you?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GISMYS_7]

Are you ready to meet Jesus?? Will you meet Jesus as your Lord and Savior OR as your final Judge!! Choose today!!
Rapture(Catching up) will be the Greatest day ever in a Born Agin Believers Life! Nothing to fear!!! if you are a born again believer as on rapture day we will be changed in the twinkle of an eye mortal to immortal with a new body.
1 Corinthians 15:51-5351
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep,(die) but we shall all be changed,
52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we (living) shall be changed.
53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

[brakelite]

Oh good grief....the chief Anti-Christ AND the False Prophet have not BEEN Revealed, nor will be REVEALED, until the Tribulation BEGINS with Jesus OPENING of the first several SEALS.

People have been GUESSING "WHO" the chief Anti-Christ "AND" the False Prophet ....MIGHT BE, according to "WHO"

At any TIME in history; men make "guesses"..

Of WHO exhibits the MOST ...
Political POWER...
and
OF WHO exhibits the MOST ...
Religious POWER...

Today there are 195 nations in the world.

TODAY...the POLITICAL spectrum with the most exhibited POWER...IS:

The UN...with 195 nation members..
Approx. 7.6 Billion people.
General Secretary of the Counsel;
....Antonio Guterres

followed by...

The EU...with 28 nation members
Approx. 512 Million people.
Commission President;
....Jean-Claude Juncker

followed by...
The Arab League...with 22 nation members
Approx. 384 Million people.
General Secretary;
....Ahmed Aboul-Gheit

And A DISTANT following of

The Vatican City....with 1 nation member
Approx. 450 people
President;
....Giuseppe Bertello

So POLITICALLY....the Vatican is low on the totem pole to BE the Anti-Chirsts POLITICAL Leader.

RELIGIOUS POWER ~ world wide.

Christianity -
Approx 2.19 Billion People.
Approx 1.17 Billion have allegience to God, to Christ.
.....ie Protestants
Approx 1.02 Billion have allegience to God to Christ
.....ie Catholics
AND allegience TO a man called the Bishop of Roman.
....Jorge Mario Bergoglio, aka, the Pope.
....currently; called Pope Francis
.....A Catholics holy father.

Islam ~
Approx 1.5 Billion People.
Islamists have their allegience to God, to Mohammad
AND to IMAMS.

Other world religions rank well below in "millions"...(not billions) of people.

POLITICALLY....the UN organization RANKS the highest with the most MEMBER NATIONS, and PEOPLE of those NATIONS.

POLITICALLY....the UN "elected" Leaders...
SERVE in their positions, for set number of years....and then another person is "elected".

POLITICALLY....CURRENTLY...the UN is positioned to BE the most "foreseeable" future "established" ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

RELIGIOUSLY....ALL religious "Leaders"...are positioned, through, elections and or appointments.
Those that "hold" the positions, change from time to time.

The "positions"....cleric, Imam, Pope...remain the same....WHO holds the "position" changes.

RELIGIOUSLY....it has historically been...Catholic Popes....who have had the MOST individuals IN ALLEGIENCE "TO" the Pope (whomever the person is at any particular time).

Today's "figures" of Individual persons in Allegience to the POPE....ranks approx.
1.2 BILLION people.....

The Number of individual people...in Allegience TO THE POPE, out RANKS, the number of People....in Allegience TO ANY other SINGLE....Cleric or Imam.

So RELIGIOUSLY....who ever HAS BEEN the Sitting POPE has been Historically and is Today, the MOST "positioned" individual to have Appointed Religious Authority OVER the WORLD.....and should the POLITICAL Anti-Christ...desire to POSITION along side of "him"...One Person...'WITH" the MOST Religious INFLUENCE around the World....
The Bishop of Rome...ie The Pope...would be a TOP contender for the "position"....

And precisely WHY, men focus on the Pope, as a RELIGIOUS contender...during the end of days...
just as WHY, men focus on the UN, as
a POLITICAL contender...during the end of days...

It is NOT personal....JUST so far, the MOST visible Contenders....BASED ON Staticial Numbers.

You are not opposed to statical FACTS are you? Even when the statical FACTS do not appear Favorable to you?

Glory to God,
Taken

Yes, people have been guessing regarding the identity of Antichrist for many years, it is true. But why when there is sufficient evidence both Biblically and historically to accurately pinpoint him without any guesswork at all? The reformers, all Bible students and eyewitnesses to the dark ages, had him dead to rights. There are many utterly compelling reasons why the Papacy can be with certainty, the chief and only viable candidate.

 

[CoreIssue]

And yet you still haven't offered any Biblical justification for this disagreement of yours. I don't mind you disagreeing, but at least offer a cogent Biblical explanation why if you want a conversation. Otherwise it merely smoke in the wind. I've offered to discuss the investigative judgement with you before on a dedicated thread...that offer is still open.

And yet you still haven't offered any Biblical justification for this disagreement of yours. I don't mind you disagreeing, but at least offer a cogent Biblical explanation why if you want a conversation. Otherwise it merely smoke in the wind. I've offered to discuss the investigative judgement with you before on a dedicated thread...that offer is still open.

I have but you refused to knowledge it.

I just them pointing out the nonbiblical position your beliefs since you come on always trying to sound so authoritative.

Most consider your SDA denomination a cult.

 

[BreadOfLife]

you
You say=="" "Left behind" is good thing ."" 3 1/2 years of trying to stay alive under anti-christ rule and the great tribulation judgments WILL HELP YOU THINK BETTER!!!

Time for a BIBLE lesson . . .

The “Left Behind” series of books and movies get their name from the following passage of Scripture:

Matt. 24:40-42
Then two men will be in the field; one is taken and one is left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one is taken and one is left. Watch therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

The problem with this is, that when we read these verses in their full context – we see that those who are “left behind” are the ones who are SAVED – not the ones who are taken.

Let’s examine the three verses prior to this passage:

Matt. 24:37-39
As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man.

We see here that the ones being “taken away” are being taken away to judgment - not Heaven.

In Luke 17:34-37 we see a similar comparison:

Luke 17:34-37
I tell you, on that night there will be two people in one bed; one will be taken, the other left.
And there will be two women grinding meal together; one will be taken, the other left.” They said to him in reply, “Where, Lord?”

YOU might answer this question by saying that the ones being “taken away” here are being “Raptured”.
HOWEVER – Jesus tells the Apostles:

Luke 17:37
He said to them, “Where the body is, there also the vultures will gather.”

Does THAT sound like "Heaven" to you?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Left behind.....After the flood?
Left Behind.....has to do with WHO is ON Earth "DURING"....not AFTER.
DURING the FLOOD, those LEFT BEHIND, were those WHO DID NOT BELIEVE, and DIED ON the Earth. They Drowned!
DURING the FLOOD, those LIFTED UP ABOVE THE FACE OF THE EARTH, were THOSE WHO BELIEVED and WERE FAITHFUL TO God....
AND SAVED from Death ON the Earth.
8 People were LIFTED UP ABOVE the Face of the Earth .... ALL others Drowned...DIED.
The 8 Mortals Were returned to the Earth, (After the flood water was abated) and continued their mortal lives, and repopulated the Earth.
Gen 7
[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off theface of the earth.
[18] And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the faceof the waters.
[23] And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Gen.8
[8] Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
[9] But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
[13] And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
Every day, men are being SAVED, by and through Belief in the LORD, the Lord, His Power.
THEY SHALL also Be LIFTED UP ABOVE THE FACE of the Earth....
WHEN JESUS "DESCENDS" FROM HEAVEN TO THE CLOUDS....
^^^ THAT IS NOT HIS SECOND COMING ^^^
Jesus' SECOND COMING IS HIM COMING TO EARTH.
(Not above the face of the waters, because there will be NO Flood).
They shall be LIFTED UP ABOVE THE Face of the EARTH...TO THE CLOUDS.
Did you PAY attention?
JESUS IS Descending to the CLOUDS to REDEEM HIS CHURCH....Men who BELIEVE IN the....
The LORD, the Lord, His Power. (HS).
Are you UNAWARE there are MILLIONS of men, who BELIEVE in the LORD.....but believe NOT "IN" the Lord Jesus, the Christ?
Are you unaware....?
DURING Gods 7 year TRIBULATION ....
The Chief Anti-Christ will be ushered IN, with his FALSE Prophet, and revealed on the Earth?
The Anti-Christ will be busy dictating PEACE and SAFETY and building a world ARMY of men, pledging allegiance to him?
The FALSE Prophet will busy himself preaching to all people to choose allegiance to the the Anti-Christ?
The LORD shall SEND 144,000 Jews, 12,000 from every of the 12 Tribes to PREACH Christ Jesus?
The LORD shall SEND two WITNESSES to PREACH Christ Jesus, specifically IN the CITY of Jerusalem?
The LORD shall SEND an Angel to PREACH Christ Jesus, throughout the WHOLE World?
What do you think the PURPOSE is FOR GOD to SEND....144,000 Jews, Two Witnesses, An Angel so the WHOLE World may Hear Christ Jesus Preached?
TO SAVE THE SAVED....who are already Converted IN the LORD, Lord, HS?
No.
The Lord God Almighty SENDS the 144,000, the two witnesses, the angel....TO PREACH Christ Jesus....so that the Lord Gods.....ELECT...
(ELECT......ISRAEL, (not the country)...but rather...HIS ELECT PEOPLE)
SHALL be Spiritually SAVED and Physically Killed, and Resurrected and Redeemed.

No man can be Resurrected and Redeemed....
UNTIL that man....
Fulfills...BELIEF, ALLEGIENCE TO:
......the LORD, the Lord, the HS
UNTIL that man....
Fulfills...his ONE required Physical DEATH.
Every man WHO has fulfilled the requirements to BE resurrected AND redeemed....SHALL BE resurrected AND redeemed.
Under the OLD Covenant....the Hebrews and Jews (primarily) believed IN GOD and ARE "ISRAEL"...while the Gentiles (primarily) DID NOT BELIEVE IN God.
Under the NEW Covenant....the Gentiles (primarily) believe IN Christ Jesus, IN God and ARE Christ's CHURCH....while the Jews (primarily) DO NOT BELIEVE IN Christ Jesus the Messiah.
Christ Jesus's Church IS ALREADY SEALED...and PREPARED...the physically Dead, resurrected and redeemed....the physically Alive, (dead in Christ), resurrected and redeemed.

THEY are the ONLY ones "RAPTURED", when Jesus' Descends to the CLOUDS, to resurrect and redeem HIS CHURCH.

AFTER the CHURCH is RAPTURED....
ISRAEL, Gods Elect; are still scattered to the four corners of the Earth....and WHY 144,000 "JEWS" are sent to the Earth to PREACH Christ JESUS...
ISRAEL (Gods ELECT) are being PREPARED...DURING THE TRIBULATION...Hearing, Accepting, pledging allegiance to Belief and Faith IN Christ Jesus...
SO THAT "THEY" can be, RESURRECTED and REDEEMED.....ie "SAVED", "GLORIFIED", Forever with the Lord.....the "SAME" as Christ's CHURCH.
ONCE the CHURCH[B/] IS resurrected and redeemed.......AND
ISRAEL, the ELECT[B/] IS resurrected and redeemed.....THEN
the LORD shall DESCEND from the Clouds TO EARTH....His SECOND COMING.

Glory to Thee Lord God Almighty....
He WHO DIVIDES and SAVES HIS CHURCH "AND" ALL OF ISRAEL...."FROM" those who maintain "rejection" of the LORD, Lord, HS.

Taken

Read post #48 and respond.
Please ALSO explain why NONE of your Protestant Fathers believed in OR taught this "Rapture" nonsense . . .

 

[CoreIssue]

="brakelite, post: 495682, member: 6216"]Let us look at those Biblical passages most commonly used in support of the rapture theory, and that form the basis for the ‘left behind’ phenomenom. After all @CoreIssue , this isn't a debate about what church we belong to, it's about what the Bible says right? Right??

As we study these scriptures we must realise that all of them are in the context of prophecy regarding the second coming of Jesus Christ. It is the second advent that climaxes all the above crisis’ and is the focal point of all prophecy.

No they are not.

Coming as a thief in the night in the clouds is not the second coming. There he comes in full view of the whole world as a conquering King.

Matthew 24:37-41 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Now please note carefully what Jesus is saying here. First, the second coming will be affected in precisely the same way as the great flood. The unrighteous will not be aware of the signs of the times, they shall be living at ease, living life as normal with little or no thought of eternity, when they shall be taken all away.

Everyone knows at the second coming what is going on. There is already been seven years of catastrophe you are dismissing. It does not happen at the second coming.

There is no evidence of the church on the earth during the tribulation.

Two thirds of the population is dead and you're claiming life will be going on as normal.

Eating and drinking when during the trib there is a deadly famine and people can't even afford a loaf of bread?

Let us go to the parallel passage in the gospel of Luke. You will note that Luke adds a little more detail giving a slightly different perspective.

Luke 17:26-37 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot’s wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

The people that Matthew says are taken away, Luke adds that they are destroyed. Thus the ‘taken away’ aspect or context of what Jesus is telling His disciples equates to death or destruction. This is borne out later in Luke’s passage when the disciples ask Him, “where are they taken to?” Jesus answer concerning the gathering of eagles around the carcasse echoes the following:

Same response.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves togetherunto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

That is Armageddon where the AC at the end of the seven-year tribulation attacks Jerusalem and Christ descends with his army to slaughter them.

You are ignoring the seals, trumpets and bowls which have already occurred.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Protestant Fathers were not too well focused on Eschatology. And they had not made a clean break from Roman Catholic Eschatology either. Not one of them would have affirmed that there would be a nation of Israel on earth once again in the future. Luther had some nasty things to say about the Jews. The Nazis had no problem applying them to the extermination of European Jews.

As to the Rapture being a fallacy, now that's where you are seriously mistaken. You only have to read John 14:1-3 to know that the Rapture is a DIVINE NECESSITY.

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

I will come again, and receive you unto myself = the Rapture.

The word *rapture* is derived from the Latin rapiermur in Jerome's Latin Vulgate.

Yes, I'm well-aware of the etymology of the word "Rapture".
I find it VERY interesting to note that you Protestants, who usually reject the Latin Vulgate as a “perverted” translation, will randomly adopt some of its terminologies, such as “Rapiemur”.

As for the verses you presented - they have NOTHING to do with your fairy tale.
They have to do with the rewards Christ is promising to His faithful when He comes back at the END.

The idea that God’s people will be “rescued” on earth from earthly persecutions is completely anti-Biblical. At no time in human history did God ever pull His people out of worldly danger. The early Christians suffered horribly at the hands of their persecutors. They were crucified, fed alive to wild animals, beheaded and set on fire for following Christ. The idea the Christians in the future will be “spared” persecution is wishful thinking – especially when Jesus called it a blessing (Matt. 5:10).

On the contrary – the Scriptures are full of admonitions that we will indeed suffer for Christ (Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2).

Jesus told His disciples that they would be hated by the world because it hated Him first. He stressed the fact that those who wished to be His disciples must pick up their cross DAILY and follow Him (Matt. 10:38; Matt. 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23; Luke 14:27). Christ promised His followers everlasting joy in Heaven – but not here on earth.

 

[Taken]

Yes, people have been guessing regarding the identity of Antichrist for many years, it is true. But why when there is sufficient evidence both Biblically and historically to accurately pinpoint him without any guesswork at all? The reformers, all Bible students and eyewitnesses to the dark ages, had him dead to rights. There are many utterly compelling reasons why the Papacy can be with certainty, the chief and only viable candidate.

I certainly do not account the Papacy as a viable contender for the Chief Anti-Christ.

The Chief Anti-Christ will be a POLITICAL figure. The Papacy is not a Political figure.

The Papacy has a place according to greates number of people, as a viable contender for the False Prophet's position.

The Two positions are not the same.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Dave L]

I certainly do not account the Papacy as a viable contender for the Chief Anti-Christ.

The Chief Anti-Christ will be a POLITICAL figure. The Papacy is not a Political figure.

The Papacy has a place according to numbers....as a viable contender for the False Prophet's position.

The Two positions are not the same.

Glory to God,
Taken

Th Papacy was a Church/State up until the French Revolution. How could it not be political?

 

[Enoch111]

Those IN Heaven, are not the Church.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? All the saints who have passed on since the ascension of Christ are in Heaven at this very moment.

HEBREWS 12
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

[Taken]

Read post #48 and respond.

No

Please ALSO explain why NONE of your Protestant Fathers believed in OR taught this "Rapture" nonsense . . .

List any Protestant fathers, I have claimed are my Protestant fathers....b-cuz I haven't a clue who you are trying to make my fathers.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Enoch111]

At no time in human history did God ever pull His people out of worldly danger.

Well that is not really correct.

1. Enoch was raptured before the Flood (a type of the Church)

2. Noah and his family were shut into the Ark before the Flood

3. Lot and his family were rescued from Sodom before the judgments.

4. The Israelites were protected from Pharaoh and his army at the Red Sea

5. Rahab was rescued from Jericho before it fell.

The real issue is whether the Tribulation and Great Tribulation -- expressing God's wrath -- are designed for the righteous or the unrighteous. Once you can figure that out, everything falls into place.

 

[Taken]

Th Papacy was a Church/State up until the French Revolution. How could it not be political?

Gee go argue your point;
with the Vatican City, Holy See Political President Mr. Bertello and the Religious Church Head Mr. Bergoglio, aka, Pope Francis.

Taken

 

[Dave L]

Gee go argue your point;
with the Vatican City, Holy See Political President Mr. Bertello and the Religious Church Head Mr. Bergoglio, aka, Pope Francis.

Taken

History cannot change. But an unwillingness to study it will lead astray.

 

[Taken]

How did you arrive at that conclusion? All the saints who have passed on since the ascension of Christ are in Heaven at this very moment.

IN CONTEXT...
Speaking of the Tribulation...
And of the Rapture....

Christ's CHURCH will be IN THE CLOUDS...NOT HEAVEN

The DEAD in Christ are bodily in the earth, rotting. Their souls are in Heaven. Their spirits are in Heaven.

When Jesus descends to the Clouds....to rapture His Church....

What? The Souls and Spirits of the Dead in Christ, will REMAIN in Heaven?...when Jesus calls up their bodies to the Clouds?

No....What would it profit a man to have his body raised in glory to the Clouds...and be VOID of the life of his soul and spirit?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

No
List any Protestant fathers, I have claimed are my Protestant fathers....b-cuz I haven't a clue who you are trying to make my fathers.
Glory to God,
Taken

In other words, you don't have a CLUE as to why Darby was the first to push this "Rapture" nonsense.

That's what I thought . . .