Rapture(Catching up) will be the Greatest day ever in a Born Agin Believers Life!

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BreadOfLife

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Well that is not really correct.

1. Enoch was raptured before the Flood (a type of the Church)

2. Noah and his family were shut into the Ark before the Flood

3. Lot and his family were rescued from Sodom before the judgments.

4. The Israelites were protected from Pharaoh and his army at the Red Sea

5. Rahab was rescued from Jericho before it fell.

The real issue is whether the Tribulation and Great Tribulation -- expressing God's wrath -- are designed for the righteous or the unrighteous. Once you can figure that out, everything falls into place.
Enoch was't "rescued" from anything.

Noah and his family were LEFT BEHIND and the wicked were "taken away"
If you have a problem with that interpretation - take it up with CHRIST. HE is the one who made that comparison.

Lot and his family were LEFT BEHIND and Sodom and Gomorrah were "taken away".

The Israelites were LEFT BEHIND and Pharoah's men were "taken away".

Rahab was LEFT BEHIND when Jericho fell.

You have misinterpreted Scripture because you have followed the perverted teachings of a mere man - John Nelson Darby.
 
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In other words, you don't have a CLUE as to why Darby was the first to push this "Rapture" nonsense.

That's what I thought . . .

LOL...:D
Still stroking your ego as a pseudo mind-reader...
 

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Noah and his family were LEFT BEHIND

No. False Catholic teaching.


Noah and his Family were lifted up above the face of the earth.

All other people were left behind on the Earth to be drowned by Flood water.
 

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Noah and his Family were lifted up above the face of the earth.
All other people were left behind on the Earth to be drowned by Flood water.
Funny - that's NOT what JESUS said . . .

Matt. 24:37-39
As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man.

We see here that the ones being “taken away” are being taken away to judgment - not Heaven.
Noah and his family were LEFT BEHIND - and the wicked were "Taken away" to judgement . . .
 
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Different day...
Same old blather, accusations and lies.
Hey - I'm NOT the one blindly following this "Rapture" nonsense invented by a frustrated ex-lawyer (John Darby) and promoted by an ex-drunk adulterer with NO formal education in theology (C.I. Scofield).

YOU are . . .
 
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The greatest day in ones life was when one was truly Born Again, end of story.
The so called Rapture peddled nowadays is Satanic.
Born Again will die just as all the rest will in the flesh, only ones Spirit will live on.
The Rapture mob are just so full of lies that the Devil uses as to deceptions.
The Born Again are not appointed to God's wrath, well that's true, they never were or are ever but everyone reaps what the majority sow, as always, so all get stung, I have never seen otherwise, in history.
No one is going anywhere, all are going to still be on Earth and go through the flames and at the end all the BS will be seen for what it truly was.
The people who are working to the ends of bringing about hell on Earth with this Rapture nonsense are on the wrong path, they are not abiding in Jesus Christ at all, but are of great delusions mainly.

When Jesus Christ came, people were Born Again when they truly knew him and that has been the case now for 2000 years and all them people were saved, that have gone before us. that's how it goes so you have Jesus or you don't, regardless of The Rapture or not, it's the same thing as to each person, before the Rapture or after the Rapture, what do you think one after the Rapture, that them are going to be better or above all the ones who went before them ?

And this so called 2ed Jesus, who is he ? that they are truly talking about, who was the first Jesus then ?

What are the Rapture mob going to have after the Rapture, the OT and the NT, or the 1st Testament and the 2ed Testament and the 3rd Testament ? I hear this claptrap all the time coming from fools nowadays.

The term Rapture is just a dumbed down word for what the subject truly is.
Couldn’t agree more
 

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So even knowing our parents/children/brothers and sisters/best friends are being physically tortured and put to death while we enjoy the great benefits of a glorious heaven will have no effect on our happiness and contentment because Jesus wipes away all the tears right? In heaven we will be fully bereft of any compassion and empathy and love because "they were all evil and deserve what they get"...
It’s to selfish on our part to be a sound doctrine
 

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Hey - I'm NOT the one blindly following this "Rapture" nonsense invented by a frustrated ex-lawyer (John Darby) and promoted by an ex-drunk adulterer with NO formal education in theology (C.I. Scofield).
Since you are so good at hurling insults, perhaps some should be directed at your own pope and corrupt clergy. Or is that too close to home???
 
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I have but you refused to knowledge it.

I just them pointing out the nonbiblical position your beliefs since you come on always trying to sound so authoritative.

Most consider your SDA denomination a cult.
Nonsense. There is no dedicated thread to the investigative judgement...your one line negative comments don't cut it as a cogent Biblical analysis of something you are suggesting as heresy and 'cultic'. By the way, when you say "most consider the SDA denomination as a 'cult'" can I ask, most of what?
 
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The Papacy is not a Political figure.
If you take an honest appraisal of the Papacy, one will come to the conclusion it is as political as any other government, just different in that it is ecclesiastical as well. The Pope is a king...even official titles name him as king of kings...the Papacy has for centuries claimed sovereignty over all the nations of the earth, not just churches.
Th Papacy was a Church/State up until the French Revolution. How could it not be political?
And re-established as a state in 1929 by Mussolini. The 'healing of the wound'.
 
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No they are not.

Coming as a thief in the night in the clouds is not the second coming. There he comes in full view of the whole world as a conquering King.



Everyone knows at the second coming what is going on. There is already been seven years of catastrophe you are dismissing. It does not happen at the second coming.

There is no evidence of the church on the earth during the tribulation.

Two thirds of the population is dead and you're claiming life will be going on as normal.

Eating and drinking when during the trib there is a deadly famine and people can't even afford a loaf of bread?

Let us go to the parallel passage in the gospel of Luke. You will note that Luke adds a little more detail giving a slightly different perspective.



Same response.



That is Armageddon where the AC at the end of the seven-year tribulation attacks Jerusalem and Christ descends with his army to slaughter them.

You are ignoring the seals, trumpets and bowls which have already occurred.
I now realise how much of a fan you are of Hal Lindsay. You may as well have quoted "Late Great Planet Earth" and be done with it. I thin you need to go back to basics. First, prove a 7 year tribulation, then we can talk again okay?
 

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Nonsense. There is no dedicated thread to the investigative judgement...your one line negative comments don't cut it as a cogent Biblical analysis of something you are suggesting as heresy and 'cultic'. By the way, when you say "most consider the SDA denomination as a 'cult'" can I ask, most of what?

I'm talking about multiple subjects and who says it can only be mentioned in a dedicated thread?

Most biblical Christians consider it a cult.

And only the SDA and Jehovah witnesses claim the Archangel Michael is Jesus.

Only the SDA except accepts White as a prophet, this investigative judgment nonsense and the SDA version of the end times.
 
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I'm talking about multiple subjects and who says it can only be mentioned in a dedicated thread?

Most biblical Christians consider it a cult.

And only the SDA and Jehovah witnesses claim the Archangel Michael is Jesus.

Only the SDA except accepts White as a prophet, this investigative judgment nonsense and the SDA version of the end times.
I found this interesting:
Christ, and Michel the Archangel q08.htm

(Part of the text of the site) Go to the site to understand more of what they believe.

It has been charged that Seventh-day Adventists hold the same belief as do the Jehovah's Witnesses concerning Michael—that Michael the archangel was Jesus Christ prior to His incarnation, and that he was a created being. Is this accusation valid? If Michael is Christ, how do you explain Jude 9?

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We emphatically reject the idea set forth in this question, and the position held by the Jehovah's Witnesses. We do not believe that Christ is a created being. We, as a people, have not considered the identification of Michael of sufficient prominence to dwell upon it at length either in our literature or in our preaching. But we do have clear views on the subject, and are prepared to set them forth. And our views concerning Michael, it might be added, have been held by various eminent scholars through the centuries. We are therefore not alone in our understanding.

We believe that the term "Michael" is but one of the many titles applied to the Son of God, the second person of the Godhead. But such a view does not in any way conflict with our belief in His full deity and eternal pre-existence, nor does it in the least disparage His person and work.
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Michael is referred to in the book of Jude as the archangel. And were it not for other Scripture references, which present Him in another relationship, one might at first conclude that He was a created being, as are the angels in general. We believe, however, that those other relationships indicate His real status, and that, in addition, He serves as supreme leader of the angelic hosts. But His serving in that capacity does not make Him a created angel. A number of important factors must be considered in a study of this question.
 
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I found this interesting:
Christ, and Michel the Archangel q08.htm

(Part of the text of the site)
It has been charged that Seventh-day Adventists hold the same belief as do the Jehovah's Witnesses concerning Michael—that Michael the archangel was Jesus Christ prior to His incarnation, and that he was a created being. Is this accusation valid? If Michael is Christ, how do you explain Jude 9?

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We emphatically reject the idea set forth in this question, and the position held by the Jehovah's Witnesses. We do not believe that Christ is a created being. We, as a people, have not considered the identification of Michael of sufficient prominence to dwell upon it at length either in our literature or in our preaching. But we do have clear views on the subject, and are prepared to set them forth. And our views concerning Michael, it might be added, have been held by various eminent scholars through the centuries. We are therefore not alone in our understanding.

We believe that the term "Michael" is but one of the many titles applied to the Son of God, the second person of the Godhead. But such a view does not in any way conflict with our belief in His full deity and eternal pre-existence, nor does it in the least disparage His person and work.
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Michael is referred to in the book of Jude as the archangel. And were it not for other Scripture references, which present Him in another relationship, one might at first conclude that He was a created being, as are the angels in general. We believe, however, that those other relationships indicate His real status, and that, in addition, He serves as supreme leader of the angelic hosts. But His serving in that capacity does not make Him a created angel. A number of important factors must be considered in a study of this question.

The problem is they still believe the second person of the Trinity is the Archangel Michael.

Fact is the flesh humanity of Christ is a created being. His spirit is eternal and not created, is God.

Remember, Michael the Archangel is in the Old Testament.