The Reality of the Millennial Kingdom

[icxn]

...That would mean then:
1. 1st resurrection - those of that "resurrection of life" that will reign with Him for the thousand years.
2. the wicked dead raised - those of the "resurrection of damnation" who are still liable to perish at the end of the thousand years.

In Colossians 2:12-13 St Paul speaks of baptismal regeneration as being a resurrection:

12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,​

Is it possible that the 1st resurrection spoken of in Revelation is what St Paul also talks about?

 

[Davy]

“One hour”

Matthew 20:12-16
[12] Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. [13] But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? [14] Take that thine is , and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. [15] Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? [16] So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

“..thou has made them equal unto us.”

Matthew 7:20
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

1 Corinthians 13:3-7
[3] And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor , and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. [4] Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, [5] Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; [6] Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; [7] Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. = The Reality of the Millennial Kingdom

Today is not the time of Christ's Millennial Kingdom. Today His spiritual Kingdom is manifest through His Church on earth, but He promised a LITERAL, PHYSICAL, Kingdom on earth would come with His return to this earth, and His OT prophets revealed it also.

The movement today that is falsely teaching that there is no future "thousand years" reign by Christ Jesus and His elect is a design from men's doctrines, and not from God's Word.

And it doesn't matter whether one thinks Christ's Millennial reign is meant only spiritually, or that it already happened, or that it is right now already, etc.; those ideas can easily be linked to Lucifer's plan for the last days of setting up a "one world government" over all nations, and ruling over it to deceive the whole world into worshiping him in place of God.

 

[Davy]

In Colossians 2:12-13 St Paul speaks of baptismal regeneration as being a resurrection:

12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,​

Is it possible that the 1st resurrection spoken of in Revelation is what St Paul also talks about?

Paul, as elsewhere, was speaking in the metaphorical sense, comparing our baptism in Christ with His death and resurrection...

Rom 6:3-6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?

4 Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
KJV


Notice there in Romans 6, Paul makes that kind of comparison but clearly shows there's to be a literal future resurrection with, "we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection". We were not 'literally' buried with Him, nor were we literally raised from the dead with Him, but Paul is showing how we are to assume that we did it with Him in the spiritual sense from our having believed on Him and been baptized in Him.

 

[CoreIssue]

In Colossians 2:12-13 St Paul speaks of baptismal regeneration as being a resurrection:

12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,​

Is it possible that the 1st resurrection spoken of in Revelation is what St Paul also talks about?

No

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Today is not the time of Christ's Millennial Kingdom. Today His spiritual Kingdom is manifest through His Church on earth, but He promised a LITERAL, PHYSICAL, Kingdom on earth would come with His return to this earth, and His OT prophets revealed it also.

The movement today that is falsely teaching that there is no future "thousand years" reign by Christ Jesus and His elect is a design from men's doctrines, and not from God's Word.

And it doesn't matter whether one thinks Christ's Millennial reign is meant only spiritually, or that it already happened, or that it is right now already, etc.; those ideas can easily be linked to Lucifer's plan for the last days of setting up a "one world government" over all nations, and ruling over it to deceive the whole world into worshiping him in place of God.

I won’t say you are wrong because of this I’m unsure. Maybe you are right. Maybe others are right in watching Israel the land. So many times ‘replacement theology’ is thrown around but what about ‘inheritance’ in Israel inherits the whole earth. Not a part or a fraction...but all nations “come to Him”. It is the Spirit who gathers(imo) which would gather in Christ. That is where they return. Can they return to Him right where they are? Or do they have to return to literal Israel? Seen with the eyes of man? Isn’t it Spiritual in returning to God and Him to us? Did the promise not come? John 16:16-18 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. [17] Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father? [18] They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.

But the Spirit brought it all in to remembrance, didnt He?

Daniel 8:13-14
[13] Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice , and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? [14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

I would ask what sanctuary shall be cleansed?

The one He overthrew? Matthew 27:40
[40] And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

 

[CoreIssue]

I won’t say you are wrong because of this I’m unsure. Maybe you are right. Maybe others are right in watching Israel the land. So many times ‘replacement theology’ is thrown around but what about ‘inheritance’ in Israel inherits the whole earth. Not a part or a fraction...but all nations “come to Him”. It is the Spirit who gathers(imo) which would gather in Christ. That is where they return. Can they return to Him right where they are? Or do they have to return to literal Israel? Seen with the eyes of man? Isn’t it Spiritual in returning to God and Him to us? Did the promise not come? John 16:16-18 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. [17] Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father? [18] They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.

But the Spirit brought it all in to remembrance, didnt He?

Daniel 8:13-14
[13] Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice , and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? [14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

I would ask what sanctuary shall be cleansed?

Israel does not inherit the whole earth, Christ does. They will be his priests and administrators in Jerusalem.

 

[Davy]

I won’t say you are wrong because of this I’m unsure. Maybe you are right. Maybe others are right in watching Israel the land. So many times ‘replacement theology’ is thrown around but what about ‘inheritance’ in Israel inherits the whole earth. Not a part or a fraction...but all nations “come to Him”. It is the Spirit who gathers(imo) which would gather in Christ. That is where they return. Can they return to Him right where they are? Or do they have to return to literal Israel? Seen with the eyes of man? Isn’t it Spiritual in returning to God and Him to us? Did the promise not come? John 16:16-18 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. [17] Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father? [18] They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.

But the Spirit brought it all in to remembrance, didnt He?

Daniel 8:13-14
[13] Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice , and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? [14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

I would ask what sanctuary shall be cleansed?

Like I was saying, there is a movement today by Lucifer's host to bring in a "one world government" (their term, not mine), over all nations and peoples, and through deception cause the one-world religious worship of Lucifer.

That movement will present their world government system as... Christ's Kingdom on earth. Our Heavenly Father is going to allow it for the very end of this world, and He told us why. It is going to prune many that had rather listen to men instead of Him in His Word.

An application of spiritualizations when reading God's Holy Writ is not a sign of understanding by The Holy Spirit. It is instead an old method of mysticism which the old pagan priests used, even the orthodox Jews with their Kabbalah mysticism. God's Holy Writ is not that difficult to understand if we pray to God for understanding instead of relying on some 'system' from men. When our Heavenly Father is giving us a metaphor or parable (i.e., speaking spiritually), He showed how it applies in Scripture. We just have to listen to Him.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Israel does not inherit the whole earth, Christ does. They will be his priests and administrators in Jerusalem.

We are in Him and He is in us. Christ IS our abode. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[Davy]

We are in Him and He is in us. Christ IS our abode. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Yes, and that is in the metaphorical sense, applied in spiritual realm, affecting our spirit. It does not mean He is here physically in bodily form like He appeared on earth to His disciples after His resurrection. But He will return in bodily form like He appeared to His disciples. And that you cannot spiritualize using mystic philosophy.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes, and that is in the metaphorical sense, applied in spiritual realm, affecting our spirit. It does not mean He is here physically in bodily form like He appeared on earth to His disciples after His resurrection. But He will return in bodily form like He appeared to His disciples. And that you cannot spiritualize using mystic philosophy.

‘Mystic philosophy’ i don’t even know what that is.

Romans 3:7-12
[7] For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? [8] And not rather , (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. [9] What then? are we better than they ? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; [10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. [12] They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

 

[CoreIssue]

We are in Him and He is in us. Christ IS our abode. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 14:23 New International Version (NIV)
23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

And our home will be with them in the New Jerusalem, not on this earth. The Father will not come here.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

John 14:23 New International Version (NIV)
23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

And our home will be with them in the New Jerusalem, not on this earth. The Father will not come here.

Ok.

 

[farouk]

‘Mystic philosophy’ i don’t even know what that is.

Romans 3:7-12
[7] For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? [8] And not rather , (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. [9] What then? are we better than they ? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; [10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. [12] They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Great passage there in Romans. Such an important Epistle.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Daniel 8:13-14
[13] Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice , and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? [14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Matthew 3:11-12
[11] I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: [12] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Luke 3:16-18
[16] John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: [17] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable. [18] And many other things in his exhortation preached he unto the people.

 

[Davy]

‘Mystic philosophy’ i don’t even know what that is.

Romans 3:7-12
[7] For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? [8] And not rather , (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. [9] What then? are we better than they ? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; [10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. [12] They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

You should understand how to apply Scripture in context of where it was written, and not just pull out a verse and misapply it.

Where do you think Paul was pulling from there with Romans 3 Scripture? Did you even know he was quoting from places like the Psalms???

Ps 14:1-5
14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
KJV

Paul in that Rom.3:8-18 Scripture was pointing to the "workers of iniquity" who abused God's people. He was not speaking about all people.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

You should understand how to apply Scripture in context of where it was written, and not just pull out a verse and misapply it.

Where do you think Paul was pulling from there with Romans 3 Scripture? Did you even know he was quoting from places like the Psalms???

Ps 14:1-5
14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
KJV

Paul in that Rom.3:8-18 Scripture was pointing to the "workers of iniquity" who abused God's people. He was not speaking about all people.

We are all equally ‘unprofitable’ (flesh) and no, none does good because it is always only what is good in our own eyes. No, it is not the end of the matter because God has been merciful to men through faith.

Luke 17:5-10
[5] And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith. [6] And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you. [7] But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? [8] And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? [9] Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. [10] So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

We do it out of Love and not duty, right?

 

[Davy]

We are in Him and He is in us. Christ IS our abode. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 14:2
2 In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
KJV

The Greek word for "mansions" means an 'abode'. Strange how many brethren don't know what The Father's "house" is that our Lord Jesus mentioned there...


Ezek 44:6-16
6 And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations,
7 In that ye have brought into My sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary, to pollute it, even My house, when ye offer My bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken My covenant because of all your abominations.
8 And ye have not kept the charge of Mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of My charge in My sanctuary for yourselves.
9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into My sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
10 And the Levites that are gone away far from Me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from Me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.
11 Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.
12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up Mine hand against them, saith the Lord GOD, and they shall bear their iniquity.
13 And they shall not come near unto Me, to do the office of a priest unto Me, nor to come near to any of My holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.
14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.
15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of My sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from Me, they shall come near to Me to minister unto Me, and they shall stand before Me to offer unto Me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:
16 They shall enter into My sanctuary, and they shall come near to My table, to minister unto Me, and they shall keep My charge.
KJV

That will happen when our Lord Jesus returns. That's The Father's "house" He was speaking of. And those Zadok there are put for Christ's future priests that serve Him in that future Millennial sanctuary in Jerusalem on earth.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

John 14:2
2 In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
KJV

The Greek word for "mansions" means an 'abode'. Strange how many brethren don't know what The Father's "house" is that our Lord Jesus mentioned there...


Ezek 44:6-16
6 And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations,
7 In that ye have brought into My sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary, to pollute it, even My house, when ye offer My bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken My covenant because of all your abominations.
8 And ye have not kept the charge of Mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of My charge in My sanctuary for yourselves.
9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into My sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
10 And the Levites that are gone away far from Me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from Me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.
11 Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.
12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up Mine hand against them, saith the Lord GOD, and they shall bear their iniquity.
13 And they shall not come near unto Me, to do the office of a priest unto Me, nor to come near to any of My holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.
14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.
15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of My sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from Me, they shall come near to Me to minister unto Me, and they shall stand before Me to offer unto Me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:
16 They shall enter into My sanctuary, and they shall come near to My table, to minister unto Me, and they shall keep My charge.
KJV

That will happen when our Lord Jesus returns. That's The Father's "house" He was speaking of. And those Zadok there are put for Christ's future priests that serve Him in that future Millennial sanctuary in Jerusalem on earth.

Will consider the verses you gave. Thank you.

 

[Davy]

We are all equally ‘unprofitable’ (flesh) and no, none does good because it is always only what is good in our own eyes. No, it is not the end of the matter because God has been merciful to men through faith.

Luke 17:5-10
[5] And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith. [6] And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you. [7] But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? [8] And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? [9] Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. [10] So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

We do it out of Love and not duty, right?

And is maybe the next thing you'll be saying is some crazy doctrine of men like how we all were guilty in having our Lord Jesus crucified??? Some Churches on men's doctrines actually preach that lie.

It saddens me to think so many brethren lack understanding in identifying the "workers of iniquity", nor do they grasp when God's Word is pointing to them and not to His people.

 

[Davy]

We are all equally ‘unprofitable’ (flesh) and no, none does good because it is always only what is good in our own eyes. No, it is not the end of the matter because God has been merciful to men through faith.

Apparently you failed to read the Psalms 14 Scripture I posted where Apostle Paul was pulling from. Paul was especially making comparisons about the unbelieving Jews in that Romans 3 section about works of the law to be justified vs. faith on Christ, and the Psalms 14 Scripture shows that, even in the very first verse!

Works don't save us, Faith on Christ Jesus does.

So if the reason you keep answering me with this matter is because you might think I'm a Jew, well, you are very wrong. I am a Protestant Christian.

And if you think my knowledge of Old Testament Scriptures points to me possibly being Jewish, then that's an even greater mistake, and shows how much catching up in Bible study you might need.