THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN

[Trekson]

so you mean to say that Adam was immortal there I guess,
There is only One Immortal

Absolutely, Adam was immortal when he was created, as long as he ate of the tree of life. They lost their immortality at the fall but that is why men aged for so long back them. It took time for the eternal DNA to be bred out of them. I don't know how many angels are out there but I believe they are all immortal too, simply because they were created that way.

God never told us about more than two kinds of dinosaurs but the fossil record shows us differently. It doesn't mean they weren't real. I could go on and on about what the bible doesn't say so to limit your understanding is being purposely....

 

[Jun2u]

You are forgetting that there are numerous instances in Scripture where angels have appeared to men as ordinary men. And regardless of how impossible you may think this, it is angels (appearing as men) who had intercourse with women.

True. We call these appearances as a Theophany, AND only one, two, or all three persons of the Godhead were always in view, and never ordinary angels.

While the book of Enoch is generally not accepted as inspired (other than by the Ethiopic Church), it gives us tremendous insight into this transgression by angels.[/QUOTE]

Any book that was written and not in the Bible is never considered inspired, and therefore false. However, the words uttered by Enoch in Jude 1:14 became part of Scripture and therefore inspired.

The character of a true believer is that he must be able to teach and also must be willing to be taught. Do you have the capacity to learn and be taught?

What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

Do you even understand the warning of 2 Peter 3:16?

To God Be The Glory

 

[CoreIssue]

The scriptures prove you wrong. I challenge you to show the scriptures that are written down that prove that tens of thousands of years past from the time Adam was created until his fall into sin. You will find none. As I said the scriptures are silent on the matter.

And your proof I am wrong? Post a verses.

 

[oldhermit]

Common sense is common sense. God gave us brains for a reason. Maybe we should try to use them. There is no explanation of how mathematics works in the bible but by golly we figured it out.

Scripture was given to us to help us overcome our dependence upon "common sense." Common sense is an appeal to the material world of human rationalization to explain human experiences. Scripture was given to us to generate faith is things we cannot see, hear, or otherwise experience with sensory perception. Scripture is not written to appeal to "common sense," in fact, it defies common sense on almost every page.

 

[Trekson]

Scripture was given to us to help us overcome our dependence upon "common sense." Common sense is an appeal to the material world of human rationalization to explain human experiences. Scripture was given to us to generate faith is things we cannot see, hear, or otherwise experience with sensory perception. Scripture is not written to appeal to "common sense," in fact, it defies common sense on almost every page.

In some cases you're right, especially things dependent upon faith, however I would say "common" sense is simply stating the obvious. If one doesn't even understand the possibility of the obvious then one just isn't ready yet.

 

[oldhermit]

Yes, and the most obvious thing in reading scripture is the language of the text. People blatantly disregard the plane language of scripture in favor of speculation and human imagination. To them, truth is not in what scripture says but what it does not say.

 

[bbyrd009]

Common sense is common sense. God gave us brains for a reason. Maybe we should try to use them. There is no explanation of how mathematics works in the bible but by golly we figured it out.

But see you are invoking 'common sense' and then asking us to believe something highly improbable, that other Scripture certainly seems to directly contradict; Adam was 130 years old when. And wadr I haven't paid a lot of attention here, but I guess your witnesses will verify your position at this point, how many 'for' are you up to? How is your arg 'against' holding up?

But imo you just want 'eternal' to mean 'immortal,' clear that up and imo this discussion becomes moot, right

 

[bbyrd009]

All of Christianity is speculation based on faith!

I beg to disagree, we are told to test these principles for ourselves, and there is a diff in imagination and speculation too I guess, as there is for faith and beliefs. Although to someone whose focus is on tomorrow I can def say that that would appear to be the MO, ya

 

[bbyrd009]

In some cases you're right, especially things dependent upon faith, however I would say "common" sense is simply stating the obvious. If one doesn't even understand the possibility of the obvious then one just isn't ready yet.

Ok then, you obviously have a bad def of 'eternal,' and I'm ready when you are, and fwiw I'll even make a prediction if you like, I expect you to go the way of @CoreIssue and fade into the wallpaper now

 

[bbyrd009]

And your proof I am wrong? Post a verses.

Adam was 130 when Seth was born.

Have a nice day

 

[bbyrd009]

and more power to them look is it that difficult to state your sources here? that's all i'm asking right.
the Scripture.
what is it

We are done right CI

 

[oldhermit]

All of Christianity is speculation based on faith!

No, faith is not based on speculation. Faith is based on revelation. Revelation is the sole product of the mind of God. Faith then is rooted in what is presented to us from the mind of God - the Bible, which is the surface form of the absolute intelligence.

 

[CoreIssue]

Adam was 130 when Seth was born.

Have a nice day

That does not refute it. Pre-adamic means before Adam.

 

[101G]

to all those who believe in, or account on the book of Enoch, it's total "FICTION" there is no mention of it in the bible.

PICJAG.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Absolutely, Adam was immortal when he was created, as long as he ate of the tree of life. They lost their immortality at the fall but that is why men aged for so long back them. It took time for the eternal DNA to be bred out of them. I don't know how many angels are out there but I believe they are all immortal too, simply because they were created that way.

God never told us about more than two kinds of dinosaurs but the fossil record shows us differently. It doesn't mean they weren't real. I could go on and on about what the bible doesn't say so to limit your understanding is being purposely....

The expression " Immortal Soul " Appears nowhere in the Bible. The Greek word translated “immortal” and “immortality” appears only three times and refers to a new spirit body that is put on or acquired, not something inherent. It applies to Christ and to anointed Christians, who become corulers with him in his heavenly Kingdom.—1 Corinthians 15:53, 54;1 Timothy 6:16; Romans 8:17;Ephesians 3:6; Revelation 7:4;14:1-5.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Absolutely, Adam was immortal when he was created, as long as he ate of the tree of life. They lost their immortality at the fall but that is why men aged for so long back them. It took time for the eternal DNA to be bred out of them. I don't know how many angels are out there but I believe they are all immortal too, simply because they were created that way.

God never told us about more than two kinds of dinosaurs but the fossil record shows us differently. It doesn't mean they weren't real. I could go on and on about what the bible doesn't say so to limit your understanding is being purposely....

Greek word a·tha·na·siʹa is formed by the negative prefix a followed by a form of the word for “death” (thaʹna·tos). Thus, the basic meaning is “deathlessness,” and refers to the quality of life that is enjoyed, its endlessness and indestructibility. (1Co 15:53, 54, ftn; 1Ti 6:16, )
Basically what thst means is that if Adam was immortal when created he would still be alive today. I believe everyone thinks eternal life and Immortality are the same thing and that's not true. Adam was told he would have eternal life if he were faithful to the command to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Trekson]

But see you are invoking 'common sense' and then asking us to believe something highly improbable, that other Scripture certainly seems to directly contradict; Adam was 130 years old when. And wadr I haven't paid a lot of attention here, but I guess your witnesses will verify your position at this point, how many 'for' are you up to? How is your arg 'against' holding up?

But imo you just want 'eternal' to mean 'immortal,' clear that up and imo this discussion becomes moot, right

Eternal and immortal are the same thing. Only God can put an end to either.

 

[Trekson]

No, faith is not based on speculation. Faith is based on revelation. Revelation is the sole product of the mind of God. Faith then is rooted in what is presented to us from the mind of God - the Bible, which is the surface form of the absolute intelligence.

To me, it is speculation that opens the door to faith and faith when built upon leads to revelation. It goes like this...I wonder if God is real? (speculation) I ask my friend what he thinks and he invites me to his church. I hear the salvation message and by faith I accept it as true and pray the sinners prayer. (faith) As I pray and read my bible because I want to know more about God, God begins to reveal more of himself to me through his written word (revelation)

 

[Trekson]

It applies to Christ and to anointed Christians, who become corulers with him in his heavenly Kingdom.

And that is exactly who Adam was before the fall. In fact God put Adam in charge of all of the garden. Eden was a heavenly kingdom on Earth.

 

[Trekson]

Basically what thst means is that if Adam was immortal when created he would still be alive today.

If Adam hadn't eaten of the forbidden fruit, yes, he would still be alive today, however his soul is and in the resurrection he will get his immortal body back. He and Eve were the only ones who had possessed an immortal body, and whether the bible mentions it or not the fact that we all have souls capable of living for eternity Christian and sinner alike is a truth. Whatever terminology you want to use to name it is irrelevant be it, eternal, immortal, infinite, forever, etc., they all mean the same thing.