The Five Points of Calvinism

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farouk

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Ah, so you are a Calvinist, even if you were previously unaware of the historical origin of that teaching.

I respect your belief and acknowledge it. But I do not share it and personally find it to to be completely opposite of the Biblical God of love.
The God of love also hates sin and must punish it.
 

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So it’s totaly a work of the Spirit. So do you believe, it was the flesh of Christ that nailed his flesh to the cross, or was it the spirit
Well the ones who nailed Christ to the cross were the Roman soldiers. Now that we have that out of the way, since Christ was fully sinless Man, the question of His *flesh* as applicable to the sin nature is moot. The flesh of Christ was literally His body of flesh, blood, and bones. But there was no indwelling sin in Christ. As the sinless Son of God and the Lamb of God, Christ was MADE SIN for us. In other words all our sins and guilt were placed upon His holy soul, and He took away the sin of the world in His sufferings, His death, and the shedding of His blood.
 

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"All who hear (or read) the Gospel are drawn to the Savior."Not true.
Absolutely true. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (John 12:32)

However, that is not the end of the matter. Unless they repent and believe on Christ, they will not be saved (Romans 10 and many other Scriptures).
 
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Absolutely true. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (John 12:32)

However, that is not the end of the matter. Unless they repent and believe on Christ, they will not be saved (Romans 10 and many other Scriptures).
Multitudes have lived and died after the cross, and were never drawn to Jesus. You misunderstand what the passage means.
 

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Multitudes have lived and died after the cross, and were never drawn to Jesus.
And how would you know? The fact is that Christ Himself said that He will draw all men to Himself. But of course you do NOT believe Him since that would be the end of your theory and theology.
 

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And how would you know? The fact is that Christ Himself said that He will draw all men to Himself. But of course you do NOT believe Him since that would be the end of your theory and theology.
Or...I do believe the verse because unlike you I actually understand that the verse is speaking of the gospel going worldwide.

How did a man dying in Peru the day after the crucifixion get drawn to Jesus? Since you "know":oops::oops:
 

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Did his spirit take up the cross or his flesh?

Goodness!!!

Jesus Christ , while here , was Spirit , soul and body...
How could His Spirit take up the cross without His soul and body?
He was “made flesh and dwelt among us” ... not in three separate parts ...the body without the Spirit is dead.

I don’t understand why this is such a repetitive question in this thread. o_O

It is NOT either v or....but both ...
 
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Blaspheming God based on lack of bible study is not wise.
Blaspheming God based on too much of bible study and no revelation is not wise

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
 
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Well the ones who nailed Christ to the cross were the Roman soldiers. Now that we have that out of the way, since Christ was fully sinless Man, the question of His *flesh* as applicable to the sin nature is moot. The flesh of Christ was literally His body of flesh, blood, and bones. But there was no indwelling sin in Christ. As the sinless Son of God and the Lamb of God, Christ was MADE SIN for us. In other words all our sins and guilt were placed upon His holy soul, and He took away the sin of the world in His sufferings, His death, and the shedding of His blood.
So your answer is Roman soldiers committed this act. Thanks
 

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Goodness!!!

Jesus Christ , while here , was Spirit , soul and body...
How could His Spirit take up the cross without His soul and body?
He was “made flesh and dwelt among us” ... not in three separate parts ...the body without the Spirit is dead.

I don’t understand why this is such a repetitive question in this thread. o_O

It is NOT either v or....but both ...
So your answer is both. Thanks
 
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Blaspheming God based on too much of bible study and no revelation is not wise

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
It might be wise to say you disagree with the 5 points. But to blaspheme their presentation of God based on ignorance is not wise.
 

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What is Calvinism? Who is “Calvin” to get whole threads devoted to him? Paul would have said, “who is Paul?”

Romans 8:20
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Vanity. Lust of the flesh. Lust of the eyes. Pride of life. contention. Hatred. Debate. Strife. Division. 1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

Galatians 5:15
[15] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

brilliant that God says I can free man from the bondage of vanity the creation was made subject to and take down kings in that IT IS God who chooses. God draws whom He wills. God is completely the One responsible and gets all the glory. There is not even a speck of “man has it in him” otherwise vanity is still promoted in man’s own abilities. Then it becomes Calvin and not Christ.
 
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What is Calvinism? Who is “Calvin” to get whole threads devoted to him? Paul would have said, “who is Paul?”

Romans 8:20
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Vanity. Lust of the flesh. Lust of the eyes. Pride of life. contention. Hatred. Debate. Strife. Division. 1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

Galatians 5:15
[15] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

brilliant that God says I can free man from the bondage of vanity the creation was made subject to and take down kings in that IT IS God who chooses. God draws whom He wills. God is completely the One responsible and gets all the glory. There is not even a speck of “man has it in him” otherwise vanity is still promoted in man’s own abilities. Then it becomes Calvin and not Christ.
IMO Who ever he has not removed the veil from(the flesh of Christ)still stands in an uncircumcised heart. And is worshiping the beast(the flesh).
 
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IMO Who ever he has not removed the veil from(the flesh of Christ)still stands in an uncircumcised heart. And is worshiping the beast(the flesh).

2 Corinthians 3:14-16
[14] But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
 

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What is Calvinism? Who is “Calvin” to get whole threads devoted to him? Paul would have said, “who is Paul?”

Romans 8:20
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Vanity. Lust of the flesh. Lust of the eyes. Pride of life. contention. Hatred. Debate. Strife. Division. 1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

Galatians 5:15
[15] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

brilliant that God says I can free man from the bondage of vanity the creation was made subject to and take down kings in that IT IS God who chooses. God draws whom He wills. God is completely the One responsible and gets all the glory. There is not even a speck of “man has it in him” otherwise vanity is still promoted in man’s own abilities. Then it becomes Calvin and not Christ.
Speaking personally--

I don't just blindly accept anyone's teachings as being "this is Christ's" because God does warn us that there are false teachers out there. So I very seriously study every teaching, double checking against scripture and with prayer. With all due respect to your beliefs, I find some *major* discrepancies between what I find in scripture and what Calvin teaches, and find Clavin's teaching to be advocating for a slaver. So that raises a lot of flags.

There are more flags when I ask very important and simple questions, trying hard to understand a Calvinist's person's views, and find that that person doesn't have answers.