Who is the Whore of babylon

[mjrhealth]

You never run out of stupid mindless zingers. Blabbing hateful insults seems to be a spiritual disease in this forum. Whoever teaches you this crap hates Jesus and try to spit on a the great holy men and women whom God has given to His Church in every century. You're blind to the tremendous good the Church does in the world.


Don't flatter yourself. You are not persecuted one bit. There are millions of anti-Catholic web sites feeding lies to people just like you. And you take their venom into discussion boards like this one. The misrepresentations and lies never stop.
You won't find one Catholic site that does to your faith what millions do to ours.
Hmm...millions to "zero". And you still don't get it.
Yet you feel righteous enough to complain about how Catholics are "daughters of the harlot" and other evil insults.
You owe every Catholic on this board an apology for your sadistic, diabolical post.

Do you think God will apologize when,

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

should you religion forever apoligise for the raping of children using here nuns as sex slaves , homosexual priests, the murder and torture of Gods children when will the abomination and hypocrisy end. I dont do this for you and BOL and MM you have all chosen your end, for those millions of catholics that fill the pews blindly every week,, God has no problems with them it is these that become the issue,

Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

and so your sin remains.

 

[Phoneman777]

I've been told multiple times that the whore of babylon from revelation is the Roman Catholic Church and the vatican yet I have read revelation 17 and 18 multiple times and a better match seems to be pagan rome which took place in the time revelation was written, why do people keep claiming that the whore of babylon is the catholic church when alot of the evidence suggests pagan rome

I'd be willing to bet the reason why you think it's PAGAN Rome instead of PAPAL Rome described in Revelation is because John's vision happened during the time of PAGAN Rome, right?

That's not the right way to look at it. Revelation 17 is clear that this particular vision of John deals with "the judgment of the Great Whore" - which is future - and therefore definitely cannot be PAGAN Rome. Obviously, a woman in prophecy is a symbol for the church - the pure woman of Revelation 12 represents the true church and the whore of Babylon represents the apostate church, namely the catholic church, which claims to be faithful but is anything but because she has turned her back on God and is facing the East worshiping the Sun.

And guess which church the Whore of Babylon says you should join if you're going to go strictly by the Bible? She says so right here:

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the church ever did happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday...not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the church's sense of its own power...People who think the Scriptures should be the sole authority should logically become Seventh-day Adventists and keep Saturday holy." St. Catherine's Sentinel, May 21, 1995​

 

[friend of]

And logically believe in Ellen G. White? No thanks. Just because SDA might be correct about 1 tenet of Christianity doesn't mean anything.

 

[epostle]

Do you think God will apologize when,

WRONG. I said YOU need to apologize to Catholics for your evil post. You obviously have poor reading skills.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

These verses have nothing to do with your persecution of Catholicism with lies, while claiming you are persecuted by Catholics.

should you religion forever apoligise for the raping of children using here nuns as sex slaves , homosexual priests, the murder and torture of Gods children when will the abomination and hypocrisy end. I dont do this for you and BOL and MM you have all chosen your end, for those millions of catholics that fill the pews blindly every week,, God has no problems with them it is these that become the issue,

You are cranking up the hate to cover up your sick, sadistic demonizing. We are talking about your phony charge of persecution, so what do you do? Persecute with more stupid zingers.

Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

and so your sin remains.

So you keep expanding your sadistic, diabolical nonsense just like the cults, and claim you are being persecuted by Catholics. You make my point by sinking deeper.

 

[Earburner]

Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.​

The very fact that Jerusalem is still found today in the land of Israel and all these things are still heard and found in Jerusalem today is proof alone that Jerusalem cannot fulfill Babylon.

Yes! It's a Mystery! Jerusalem was judged and destroyed in 70AD. Though men have propped it up to be, God no longer acknowledges it as being anything to Him.
So here we are in the latter stages of time, and Jerusalem is raised up, to be a controversy to the nations. Not by the will of God, but rather by the will of the US (2 horned beast), the EU (10 horned beast) and the UN (image to the 10 horned beast).
Yes, it is a Mystery, that Jerusalem is back on the scene again, but the 10 horns on the beast shall burn her with fire.
Rev. 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fore

 

[epostle]

I'd be willing to bet the reason why you think it's PAGAN Rome instead of PAPAL Rome described in Revelation is because John's vision happened during the time of PAGAN Rome, right?

That's not the right way to look at it. Revelation 17 is clear that this particular vision of John deals with "the judgment of the Great Whore" - which is future - and therefore definitely cannot be PAGAN Rome. Obviously, a woman in prophecy is a symbol for the church - the pure woman of Revelation 12 represents the true church and the whore of Babylon represents the apostate church, namely the catholic church, which claims to be faithful but is anything but because she has turned her back on God and is facing the East worshiping the Sun.

And guess which church the Whore of Babylon says you should join if you're going to go strictly by the Bible? She says so right here:

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the church ever did happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday...not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the church's sense of its own power...People who think the Scriptures should be the sole authority should logically become Seventh-day Adventists and keep Saturday holy." St. Catherine's Sentinel, May 21, 1995​

You can easily find Sabbatarians in the first century, but none in the 2nd. I challenge you to find any. This alone proves EGW a false teacher. The Apostles changed the day of worship to primarily Sunday; you get around that fact by changing the meaning of "first day of the week".

 

[mjrhealth]

WRONG. I said YOU need to apologize to Catholics for your evil post. You obviously have poor reading skills.


These verses have nothing to do with your persecution of Catholicism with lies, while claiming you are persecuted by Catholics.


You are cranking up the hate to cover up your sick, sadistic demonizing. We are talking about your phony charge of persecution, so what do you do? Persecute with more stupid zingers.


So you keep expanding your sadistic, diabolical nonsense just like the cults, and claim you are being persecuted by Catholics. You make my point by sinking deeper.

Catholism is evil, nice certificate you have received got it on your wall somewhere, are you proud of her sins...

 

[BreadOfLife]

I guess you did not see my underline of the words, "We all gather on the day of the sun". Why call it that when Scripture calls it the first day of the week? Later, it was given the name "Sunday", but to call it the "day of the sun" is unacceptable.

Uhhhh, no - I saw them.
I just couldn't believe you would make such an idiotic argument.

I guess you're one of those people who believes that since English is YOUR first language - that it MUST be EVERYBODY'S first language. That's NOT the case, Einstein . . .

The Catechism was TRANSLATED into English from Latin and French. If you're at ALL familiar with the Latin languages - you would understand why it would be translated as "day of the sun" and not necessarily "Sunday" - even though they mean the SAME thing. In Latin, it is called "dies Solis" or "Day of the Sun".

Now - I warned you to do your homework before posting again because your moronic accusation are getting embarrassingly idiotic. There are FAR too many educated Catholics around here to fall for your nonsense, Einstein . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

FYI - I think mjrhealth was calling the Protestant Churches "daughters of the harlot", but that, in his understanding, the Catholic Church would be the "Mother of harlots".

And mjrhealth is as ignorant as YOU are since HE is a Protestant himself . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

And mjrhealth is as ignorant as YOU are since HE is a Protestant himself . . .

What has Christ got to do with religion, its a man made invention that men love more than Christ Himself, You know this bit

Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

the truth, it offends so many..

 

[Phoneman777]

You can easily find Sabbatarians in the first century, nut none in the 2nd. I challenge you to find any. This alone proves EGW a false teacher. The Apostles changed the day of worship to primarily Sunday; you get around that fact by changing the meaning of "first day of the week".

2nd Century? False teacher? Here is a FIFTH CENTURY A.D. historian writing about what was taking place regarding the Sabbath at that time:

“For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition (the ancient mystery religion of Sun worship), have ceased to do this.” - Socrates Scholasticus, Church History, book V, chapter 22​

Also, Fifth century:

"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week (by this time Sunday was observed as a "holy day" because Constantine had previously declared it to be such), which custom is never observed at Rome or Alexandria." - church historian Salminius Sozomenus​

Also Fifth century:
That "Saint" Patrick was Roman Catholic is thoroughly disputed by Protestants who have examined the historical evidence such as this and other historical records ("Saint Patrick" and the Early Celtic Church: Sunday-Keeping Catholics or Sabbath-observant Christians?). The evidence abounds that he rejected papal authority, led their leaders to marry, his church chased out Papist Palladius when pope Celestine sent him to demand they acknowledge his papacy, and, among other things that the historical record bears out, is the founder of the very Celtic church which was taught to observe the seventh day Sabbath:

"It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday...as a day of rest from labor. They obeyed the fourth commandment literally upon the seventh day of the week." (James C. Moffatt, D. D.,The Church in Scotland, Philadelphia: 1882, p.140)​

"In this latter instance they seemed to have followed a custom of which we find traces in the early monastic church of Ireland by which they held Saturday to be the Sabbath on which they rested from all their labours." (W.T. Skene, Adamnan Life of St. Columba, 1874, p.96)​

11th Century:
History proves that the Coptic Christians of North Africa were Sabbatarians.

19th Century:
The inhabitants of Pitcairn Island, where the survivors of the famous "Mutiny on the Bounty" eventually made their home, were found keeping the seventh day Sabbath by later expeditions to the island, so much so that Sabbath keeping churches made a search of their records to find if missionaries had ever been sent there. When asked where they got the idea to keep the seventh day Sabbath, they pointed to a Bible as the only source for doing so, which is harmony with many statements from the papacy claiming that Sunday observance is not based on Scripture, but on papal tradition alone.

So, your ideas about Sabbath not existing after the first century, as well as whatever conclusions about who is or not a "false teacher" need to be scrapped and you would do well to better acquaint yourself with the subject before posting things about it.

 

[epostle]

What has Christ got to do with religion, its a man made invention that men love more than Christ Himself, You know this bit

Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

the truth, it offends so many..

I challenged you to fine ONE Catholic site that persecutes you or any other group the way we get it every day and you replied with another stupid hate rant. If sinners in the Church discredits the Church, then Judas discredits all the Apostles. That's your line of thinking which is a whole new level of stupid.

 

[mjrhealth]

I challenged you to fine ONE Catholic site that persecutes you or any other group the way we get it every day and you replied with another stupid hate rant. If sinners in the Church discredits the Church, then Judas discredits all the Apostles. That's your line of thinking which is a whole new level of stupid.

You should go read the history of your church, or simply read the papers. even you pope, your god has had to apoligise again and again for the sins of your priests, when will it end. one cannot but hate antichrist, and here you are like BOL ranting on. the truth will set your free if you are willing to seek it.

 

[brakelite]

The Church doesn't teach that Sunday is the "Sabbath". It is called, "The Lord's Day" . . .

And here is another example of your selective reasoning...your church actually claims the right to be Lord of the Sabbath by stealing it from Jesus. Your church calls Sunday the Lord's day, yet Jesus called the Sabbath His day. Time you fellas gave it back to Him.
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What has Christ got to do with religion, its a man made invention that men love more than Christ Himself, You know this bit

Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

the truth, it offends so many..

Yes, this coming from a person who is hopelessly LOST to an online cult called "aggressivechristianity.net" - led NOT by a Bishop or Presbyter - but a "General". Can YOU show me a Biblical example of Christ's disciples referring to themselves as "Generals"??

Do you actually believe that Jesus and His Church were defeated in the first century and had to wait until 1980 for your cult to resurrect His teachings?? That the kind of manure that the Mormons teach, Einstein. Jesus guaranteed His Church would not succumb even to the gates of Hell - and that it would be a VISIBLE light to the world (Matt. 5:14-16), not some "hidden" remnant . . .

As for what Religion s - you condemn it because of your complete ignorance of Scripture.
Judaism is a religion started by God's Covenant with Abraham
Christianity is a religion started by Christ.

James, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit defines what good religion is (James 1:27) - and it is faith working in love. Paul talks about this (Gal. 5:6) - as does CHRIST Himself (Matt. 25:31-46).
YOU may have missed this because you're too busy emulating the Mormons and worshiping at the altar of your great "Generals" over at aggressivechristianity.net . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

And here is another example of your selective reasoning...your church actually claims the right to be Lord of the Sabbath by stealing it from Jesus. Your church calls Sunday the Lord's day, yet Jesus called the Sabbath His day. Time you fellas gave it back to Him.
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

No - the BIBLE refers to the first day of the week as the "Lord's Day because that is the day He was resurrected
(John 20:1, Acts 20:7, John 20:19-20, 1 Cor. 16:1-2, Rev. 1:10). That is the day that the NT Church met for prayer and collection of funds for the propagation of the Word of God.

We also read about it in extra-biblical , non-inspired texts of the time such as the 2nd century writing, Gospel of Peter (9:35; 12:50).
Soooooo - when do YOU claim that this was "invented"??

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[brakelite]

No - the BIBLE refers to the first day of the week as the "Lord's Day because that is the day He was resurrected
(John 20:1, Acts 20:7, John 20:19-20, 1 Cor. 16:1-2, Rev. 1:10). That is the day that the NT Church met for prayer and collection of funds for the propagation of the Word of God.

We also read about it in extra-biblical , non-inspired texts of the time such as the 2nd century writing, Gospel of Peter (9:35; 12:50).
Soooooo - when do YOU claim that this was "invented"??

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30 minutes ago when you reinvented it. No where does the Bible refer to the first day of the week as being the Lord's day. Not once. That is purely your assumption.
The church met for prayer every day. The collection Paul speaks of had nothing to do with the gospel, but was a one off event to support the Christians in Jerusalem who were going thorugh a hard time finding enough to eat. And what evidence do you have to offer to support John's reference to the Lord's day being the first day of the week?

 

[BreadOfLife]

30 minutes ago when you reinvented it. No where does the Bible refer to the first day of the week as being the Lord's day. Not once. That is purely your assumption.
The church met for prayer every day. The collection Paul speaks of had nothing to do with the gospel, but was a one off event to support the Christians in Jerusalem who were going thorugh a hard time finding enough to eat. And what evidence do you have to offer to support John's reference to the Lord's day being the first day of the week?

I gave you extrabiblical historical text of the 2nd century document, the Gospel of Peter, which refers to the "Lord's day" as the day Jesus rose from the dead (Sunday).
MUCH of what we depend on historically as Christians - Catholic OR Protestant is documented in Early Church writings. This is where the anti-Catholic house of cards usually comes tumbling down.

NOW - the onus is on YOU to show me ONE extrabiblical/historical text that refutes the idea that "The Lord's Day" is some other day in the Early Church . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

Yes, this coming from a person who is hopelessly LOST to an online cult called "aggressivechristianity.net" - led NOT by a Bishop or Presbyter - but a "General". Can YOU show me a Biblical example of Christ's disciples referring to themselves as "Generals"??

Do you actually believe that Jesus and His Church were defeated in the first century and had to wait until 1980 for your cult to resurrect His teachings?? That the kind of manure that the Mormons teach, Einstein. Jesus guaranteed His Church would not succumb even to the gates of Hell - and that it would be a VISIBLE light to the world (Matt. 5:14-16), not some "hidden" remnant . . .

As for what Religion s - you condemn it because of your complete ignorance of Scripture.
Judaism is a religion started by God's Covenant with Abraham
Christianity is a religion started by Christ.

James, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit defines what good religion is (James 1:27) - and it is faith working in love. Paul talks about this (Gal. 5:6) - as does CHRIST Himself (Matt. 25:31-46).
YOU may have missed this because you're too busy emulating the Mormons and worshiping at the altar of your great "Generals" over at aggressivechristianity.net . . .

Shouting again BOL, if you dont like the truth you can always go back to your catholic forums where they may well love the filth that spews out of your mouth,

Mat 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Have a nice day.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Shouting again BOL, if you dont like the truth you can always go back to your catholic forums where they may well love the filth that spews out of your mouth,

Mat 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Have a nice day.

TRANSLATION:
"You got me - and I have NO way to defend my allegiance to my online cult."

That's what I thought . . .