JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.

[101G]

In John 3, Nicodemus said 2 “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” Notice what the Christ said to him “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” He didn’t correct him at all. Nicodemus saw the Triune Godhead, but many, sadly, don’t.

this is what you didn't see. if Jesus came from God, is he not GOD, scripture, John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me".
proceeded means,
G1831 ἐξέρχομαι exerchomai (ex-er'-cho-mai) v.
to issue.

and here's your mistake. Issue used here as a VERB, and not a NOUN, means, "come, go, or flow out from". other word, or synonyms with, emanate, which means, (of something abstract but perceptible) issue or spread out from (a source). IT'S THE "SAME" THING OR ONE, MEANING IT'S THE "SAME" PERSON. my God how hard is it to understand.

let's break it down, the definition of emanate said, (of something abstract but perceptible) what was abstract is the Spirit, and what made the Spirit perceptible was the flesh that God, the Holy Spirit came in or proceeded forth in. ... my, my, my.

remember what we said?, get a dictionary and find out what these words means. shed some light on the subject. as the scriptures said, "Study to show thyself approve to God".... well.

as again your hermeneutics are failing you.

PICJAG

 

[101G]

the Holy Spirit is the Lord JESUS.

now another elimination of any third PERSON. scripture, Job 33:4 "The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life".

who made Job and all of us? the Spirit? what you say. but was it not the "LORD" who made all things? Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".

STOP, HOLD it, the "LORD" made all things, scripture don't lie. ok, let's put it all together. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".

Uh O, we have the "LORD", whom many calls the Father. we have the "Spirit", whom many calls the Holy Spirit, and we have the "Lord", whom many calls the Son, who ...............................
"MADE ALL THINGS". and this ONE "MAKER" is JESUS, the one and the SAME PERSON.

we got all 3 at one time......... the ONLY person in the Godhead is the "Spirit". and nobody else.

don't argue with 101G, argue with God, these are his scriptures.

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

First thanks for the reply, second, did I say God changed Forms? no we said that he "TOOK ON" Flesh that he shared himself in. now as for change, did not the Lord, the Christ tranfigured on the mount?.
Just as the Lord Jesus said, John 8:43 "Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word". we see you cannot understand our speech, and yet you cannot hear our word?".

see, you been believing the trinity for so long until you're convinced that it is the TRUTH. but scriptures say different. that's something you have to deal with yourself.

third,

let's see if we can be simple, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come". did you get that?, if we explain it then you say we're too deep... so you figure it out...


well there are many who say the trinity is unexplainable... but Diversified Oneness simply states that God, the Holy Spirit, shared himself in flesh. Oh how easy is that to understand? yet you cannot grasp it? why? Oh well

too deep for you? listen God is "Another" of himself in flesh called the "Son". was that too deep?.
just as he is called the "Comforter" in John 14, but the "Advocate" in 1John 2, still too deep? JESUS the the Maker of ALL THINGS in Isaiah 44:24, who is the WORD in John 1:3 that MADE all things, still too deep? JESUS is the Almighty God who appeared to Abraham as the LORD who CREATED all things. still too deep? JESUS is the "Comforter" who came to his disciples on the day of Pentecost with all power. and gave them gifts. still too deep, JESUS is the First and the Last who is the LORD in Isaiah 44:6. still too deep? JESUS is the Spirit, the Holy Spirit shared in flesh when he came into this world, Luke 2:25, hence the reason why "another" Comforter to come, John 14:16.

Oh there is so much more, but maybe it's still to deep ......

PICJAG.

What you do not understand is that one person of the Godhead speaking, does not mean God is one person. Think of it this way. A cop shows up to direct traffic. Does this mean there is only one cop on the force? Of course not. Their are many cops including the national guard and military if needed. When the cop says "I will deal with this problem", he speaks for all.

 

[marks]

This really is quite the thread! One person debating endlessly with whomever comes along attempting to discredit the Trinity

Uh O, we have the "LORD", whom many calls the Father.

Remember . . . you've not yet shown a Scripture that supports your assertion. And without your assertion supported, the rest is simply as they say a house of cards.

Much love!

 

[101G]

What you do not understand is that one person of the Godhead speaking, does not mean God is one person. Think of it this way. A cop shows up to direct traffic. Does this mean there is only one cop on the force? Of course not. Their are many cops including the national guard and military if needed. When the cop says "I will deal with this problem", he speaks for all.

well let's look at it this way. if cop #44 show up and say move your car. did cop #3 say move your car, no. when God said that he made all things by himself, alone, do you know what "ALONE" means? no cop #44, nor a cop #3 was present....

there is only one who spoke.

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

well let's look at it this way. if cop #44 show up and say move your car. did cop #3 say move your car, no. when God said that he made all things by himself, alone, do you know what "ALONE" means? no cop #44, nor a cop #3 was present....

there is only one who spoke.

PICJAG.

All cops said move your car because one cop is all cops as needed.

 

[101G]

This really is quite the thread! One person debating endlessly with whomever comes along to undermine belief in God, by attempting to discredit the Trinity

Remember . . . you've not yet shown a Scripture that supports your assertion. And without your assertion supported, the rest is simply as they say a house of cards.

Much love!

you said I have not, have you been listening? LOL,

my original question, since you said I have not prove my point. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".

now we can prove this point, is this the SAME ONE PERSON. yes or no?.

PICJAG

 

[101G]

All cops said move your car because one cop is all cops as needed.

LOL, that's why you're still in darkness....

PICJAG... next.

 

[Dave L]

LOL, that's why you're still in darkness....

PICJAG... next.

It makes too much sense. Because you limit God to one person even though in scripture we see God speaking as two persons at the same time on the mount of transfiguration. And as three persons who each speak present at Jesus' baptism.

 

[marks]

you said I have not, have you been listening? LOL,

my original question, since you said I have not prove my point. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".

now we can prove this point, is this the SAME ONE PERSON. yes or no?.

PICJAG

I've already said that Jesus and YHWH are One and the Same.

Nonetheless, this passage, in the same fashion as every other Scripture you have posted, Fails to Say that YHWH is the Father. You haven't done it.

And since you don't have a Scripture with that one little missing piece, all you have is a deck of cards to stack up on top of this little sleight of hand, this little mis-direction.

You are counting on the notion that people will simply accept your supposition that "wherever it says 'YHWH', or LORD, this is "Father". So you go on to argue that, well, if YHWH is Jesus, then Jesus is the Father, so the Father is the Son, so your Trinitarian ideas are ridiculous.

But in point of fact, until you can give an actual Biblical foundation for understanding YHWH as "the Father", this is just a host of assertions all founded upon a logical fallacy, in the form of an Unsopported Assertion, "Facts not in Evidence".

And even were you to do so - it's not there, if it were, you would have posted it - but even if you did, that only begins the actual debate, just the very first step.

So there ya go!

Much love!
Mark

 

[101G]

It makes too much sense. Because you limit God to one person even though in scripture we see God speaking as two persons at the same time on the mount of transfiguration. And as three persons who each speak present at Jesus' baptism.

that's your error, we limited not, we "diversify"...

then you said, "we see God speaking as two persons at the same time on the mount of transfiguration". YOU SEE?, that your big problem, understand we walk not by "SIGHT", but by FAITH.

you're still on the baptism take away. well we took that away from you ever... LOL. you can't use that anymore.

see how our John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 stand..... because it's the TRUTH.

now until you can reconcile John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 talk to the HAND.... (smile).

you and your doctrine have been exposed.

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

that's your error, we limited not, we "diversify"...

then you said, "we see God speaking as two persons at the same time on the mount of transfiguration". YOU SEE?, that your big problem, understand we walk not by "SIGHT", but by FAITH.

you're still on the baptism take away. well we took that away from you ever... LOL. you can't use that anymore.

see how our John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 stand..... because it's the TRUTH.

now until you can reconcile John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 talk to the HAND.... (smile).

you and your doctrine have been exposed.

PICJAG.

One cop shows up and this means he's the only cop in the USA. Sweet..............

 

[101G]

This passage, in the same fashion as every other Scripture you have posted, Fails to Say that YHWH is the Father. You haven't done it.

ok, one step at a time, Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect".

is this the "Father" here in Genesis 17:1, yes or No?

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

well marks we'll help you out, Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting".

well marks the bible say the "LORD" all caps is our Father.

well.....

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

well it's very CLEAR, (according to the scriptures), that the "LORD" all caps is called the Father.

now, knowing that, it was the Father in Isaiah 44:24, (the LORD), who made "ALL THINGS" by himself, .... "ALONE". there is no doubt. and the ONE in John 1:3 who made all things is called, called, called, one more, called, the Son.

now for all trinitarian you have the same big problem, the LORD is the Father, and the one whom you misunderstand as the Son is the SAME ONE PERSON who MADE "ALL THINGS". BINGO,

as said before, don't argue with 101G, take it to the Lord in Prayer.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

@marks

I've already said that Jesus and YHWH are One and the Same.

Nonetheless, this passage, in the same fashion as every other Scripture you have posted, Fails to Say that YHWH is the Father. You haven't done it.

And since you don't have a Scripture with that one little missing piece, all you have is a deck of cards to stack up on top of this little sleight of hand, this little mis-direction.

You are counting on the notion that people will simply accept your supposition that "wherever it says 'YHWH', or LORD, this is "Father". So you go on to argue that, well, if YHWH is Jesus, then Jesus is the Father, so the Father is the Son, so your Trinitarian ideas are ridiculous.

well is not ridiculous any more, that one little piece is right there before your own eyes, Isaiah 63:16........ Game over...

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

To all those out there who have been saying that JESUS is "YHWH" yes, he is, but it just didn't turn out the way you thought or was taught or want it to be.. your WAY ... did you....
JESUS is the "WAY".

the TRUTH always stands and never contridict itself.

when the Lord Jesus said that he was sending the Holy Spirit, you didn't believe him, did you... nope, not at all. why? because of the teaching you had in the trinity, that's why.

but all hope is not lost. we're in the saving business. and we're patience.

I must admit one thing, about patience here, I, 101G really didn't think I could have the patience to get this far ... (smile) lol.. that I must admit. because if left up to me, ... see ya. but I thank our God, and Saviour who had mercy on 101G and all of us to hang in there.

so praise God.

if any question, legit ones... .... at your service.

PICJAG.

 

[Jun2u]

we got all 3 at one time......... the ONLY person in the Godhead is the "Spirit". and nobody else.

don't argue with 101G, argue with God, these are his scriptures.

So, your “Diversified Oneness Church does not believe the Bible teaches that the Father is God, that the Son is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God, three distinct persons in the Godhead?

Since you are so particular in defining “words” and “phrases” can you elaborate further on what I have said below?

The most dramatic declaration of the Trinity lies in the manner in which the Scriptures declares that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ALIKE raised Jesus from among the dead!

In Acts 13:30 as well as Romans 6:4, is plainly stated that God the Father resurrected our dear Savior. Christ was raised from among the dead by the glory of the Father, we read. Yet in John 2:19; 10:17,19, we’re specifically taught that the Son raised Himself from among the dead. For it is said, Jesus answered them, ‘destroy the temple and in three days I will raise it up again,’ and He spoke of the temple of His body and He said: I will raise it up.

And again Christ said: ”Therefore doth my Father love me because I lay down my life that I might take it again. No man takes my life from me, I lay it down by myself, I have the power to lay it down, I have the power to take it up again.”

Yet the apostle Paul and Peter insist that the Savior was resurrected from among the dead by God the Holy Spirit. Christ has once suffered for sins to be put to death by the flesh made alive by the Holy Spirit. How marvelous is the clarity of the testimony of the word of God? Jehovah is indeed ONE, as perfect unity in essence and substance yet He is three as to persons.

Now God should not be thought of as separate individuals in the sense of Peter, James, and John because Peter, James, and John are not one. They are lacking in absolute unity. There is disagreement among them. There is the difference as to gifts and capabilities, and quality of brains and so forth. They are not equal, they are not one in unity and substance, in essence, and purpose, and so on, as God is indeed one.

So we must not take them as three different persons like Peter, James, and John, for this denies His absolute unity and substance, and essence. On the other hand, to say God is an absolute unity in the sense as of one alone without subsisting as three persons is also heresy according to the Bible.

For our God indeed is ONE GOD and yet we see that the Scriptures teach plainly, although we cannot understand how, the Scriptures teach plainly that God is ONE, He exists in one unity, He subsists in three persons as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. For the Bible teaches indeed that the Father is God. It teaches indeed that the Son is God. It teaches indeed that the Holy Spirit is God. Three persons, distinct, and separate. And yet in the same breath that declares, this God who exists in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exist as ONE GOD, ONE JEHOVAH for all of eternity!

 

[Jun2u]

but all hope is not lost. we're in the saving business. and we're patience.

But according to the gospel you teach all are indeed lost and no way can your method of salvation save anyone!!!

1 Corinthians 14:36
What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

 

[101G]

So, your “Diversified Oneness Church does not believe the Bible teaches that the Father is God, that the Son is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God, three distinct persons in the Godhead?

Since you are so particular in defining “words” and “phrases” can you elaborate further on what I have said below?

The most dramatic declaration of the Trinity lies in the manner in which the Scriptures declares that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ALIKE raised Jesus from among the dead!

In Acts 13:30 as well as Romans 6:4, is plainly stated that God the Father resurrected our dear Savior. Christ was raised from among the dead by the glory of the Father, we read. Yet in John 2:19; 10:17,19, we’re specifically taught that the Son raised Himself from among the dead. For it is said, Jesus answered them, ‘destroy the temple and in three days I will raise it up again,’ and He spoke of the temple of His body and He said: I will raise it up.

And again Christ said: ”Therefore doth my Father love me because I lay down my life that I might take it again. No man takes my life from me, I lay it down by myself, I have the power to lay it down, I have the power to take it up again.”

Yet the apostle Paul and Peter insist that the Savior was resurrected from among the dead by God the Holy Spirit. Christ has once suffered for sins to be put to death by the flesh made alive by the Holy Spirit. How marvelous is the clarity of the testimony of the word of God? Jehovah is indeed ONE, as perfect unity in essence and substance yet He is three as to persons.

Now God should not be thought of as separate individuals in the sense of Peter, James, and John because Peter, James, and John are not one. They are lacking in absolute unity. There is disagreement among them. There is the difference as to gifts and capabilities, and quality of brains and so forth. They are not equal, they are not one in unity and substance, in essence, and purpose, and so on, as God is indeed one.

So we must not take them as three different persons like Peter, James, and John, for this denies His absolute unity and substance, and essence. On the other hand, to say God is an absolute unity in the sense as of one alone without subsisting as three persons is also heresy according to the Bible.

For our God indeed is ONE GOD and yet we see that the Scriptures teach plainly, although we cannot understand how, the Scriptures teach plainly that God is ONE, He exists in one unity, He subsists in three persons as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. For the Bible teaches indeed that the Father is God. It teaches indeed that the Son is God. It teaches indeed that the Holy Spirit is God. Three persons, distinct, and separate. And yet in the same breath that declares, this God who exists in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exist as ONE GOD, ONE JEHOVAH for all of eternity!

First thanks for the reply. second, you have so many ERRORS in your post I don't know where to start.

but lets start here, you said,

So, your “Diversified Oneness Church does not believe the Bible teaches that the Father is God, that the Son is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God, three distinct persons in the Godhead?

#1. we, nor I have a church, only the Lord JESUS do. second, nor is there any church called a Diversified Oneness Church, our doctrine is "Diversified oneness", this is what we believe .... the TRUTH. third, there is no God the Father, or God the Son, or a God the Holy Spirit as any three persons. there is one GOD who is ONE PERSON. and this one person "shared" or diversified himself in flesh. THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE.

The most dramatic declaration of the Trinity lies in the manner in which the Scriptures declares that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ALIKE raised Jesus from among the dead!

we have nothing to do with any trinity, so your question to us are mute. now if you have a question on "Diversified Oneness", ok go ahead.

Jehovah is indeed ONE, as perfect unity in essence and substance yet He is three as to persons.

there is no JEHOVAH that's suppose to be the Name of God. that's a man made up name given to God, (which he never accepted), because he have a personal Name. and it's not Jehovah, it's "JESUS".

For our God indeed is ONE GOD and yet we see that the Scriptures teach plainly, although we cannot understand how, the Scriptures teach plainly that God is ONE, He exists in one unity, He subsists in three persons as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

ERROR, and again ERROR. the scriptures never teaches that God is a unity. the bible teaches plainly that God is a "Diversity" or the "OFFSPRING" of himself in flesh. Father and Son are only "titles" of the the ONE TRUE God.

Now God should not be thought of as separate individuals in the sense of Peter, James, and John because Peter, James, and John are not one. They are lacking in absolute unity. There is disagreement among them. There is the difference as to gifts and capabilities, and quality of brains and so forth. They are not equal, they are not one in unity and substance, in essence, and purpose, and so on, as God is indeed one.

There is disagreement among them? where?

For our God indeed is ONE GOD and yet we see that the Scriptures teach plainly, although we cannot understand how

How sad that sound, when he has told you his Godhead can be known, scripture, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. (READ THAT AGAIN)
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
SEE, WHAT YOU SAID IS JUST AN EXCUSE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PROPERLY TAUGHT.

Three persons, distinct, and separate. And yet in the same breath that declares, this God who exists in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exist as ONE GOD, ONE JEHOVAH for all of eternity!

one word .............................. ERROR.

we suggest you re-read these post, no, we will destroy your PERSON.

question Jun2u , "is not your Jehovah the First and the Last?". see Isaiah 44:6 of your (NWT). now read in your (NWT) Revelation 22:13, the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega, correct.

keep that in mind, now Revelation 1:8 your Jehovah who is the First and the last, is the Alpha and Omega that is the "ALMIGHTY".well in 1:8 that "ALMIGHTY" ONE is JESUS who is the First and the Last who died. so please tell us when your Jehovah died?. because in your verse 13 it said, the one who is the Almighty is the son for verse 17 makes it clear who the First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega, the "ALMIGHTY" is, and the scriptures say he died and now lives.

so Jun2u, are you prepared to say that your Jehovah is NOT the the First and the last, or the Alpha and Omega, and not the "ALMIGHTY?", for your own scriptures say JESUS is the First and the last, the Alpha and Omega that is the "ALMIGHTY".

get back with me on this, ok. but read those scriptures first.

PICJAG.