Calvinism is NOT a Cult!

[Preacher4Truth]

Anyway, I gave the definition from the Greek word for access in a recent post; and it refutes your pov as far as I'm concerned.

Therefore, there is no reason to continue from my pov since it is a matter of stubbornness on your part and not your ignorance of the truth on the matter.

So, bye now.

Galatians 1:6-9 and Romans 16:17 and Proverbs 14:7 tells me just to leave you alone.

Is this addressed to me, callow one?

You can never own your own behavior. All you had to do was prove you've asked me a question in the past, then I'd gladly answer you. The thing is you know you haven't asked it in the past.

If the above was to me, let it be noted, which is elementary knowledge, that a definition of a word, in this case, does not change the context of whom it is to, and it is only to those who are in Christ, namely Romans 5:1-2.

Therefore your usage is a misusage of the Word and is a willful rejection of 2 Timothy 2:15. You're still then a child in the faith, unskillful with and in the Word of God; Hebrews 5:13.

 

[SovereignGrace]

No, according to Romans 10:9-10 a person can have faith but this will only produce righteousness, not salvation, if there is no confession.

Wrong, flat out wrong. If someone has(actually possesses) faith, they are declared righteous before God via the imputed righteousness of the Christ.

1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.[Romans 5]

Notice, those Paul is speaking to are believers. Believers have faith, have been declared righteous,and have peace with God. They now stand before God righteous via faith. Those who have faith are justified, are saved.

2 Thessalonians 3:2 states and that we will be rescued from perverse and evil men; for not all have faith.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Wrong, flat out wrong. If someone has(actually possesses) faith, they are declared righteous before God via the imputed righteousness of the Christ.

1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.[Romans 5]

Notice, those Paul is speaking to are believers. Believers have faith, have been declared righteous,and have peace with God. They now stand before God righteous via faith. Those who have faith are justified, are saved.

2 Thessalonians 3:2 states and that we will be rescued from perverse and evil men; for not all have faith.

Excellent answer.

He has all kinds of rules about what people have to do, hoops they need to jump through to get themselves saved. One infamous one is that God chose to save them only because they chose him, on their own, in the corridors of time. Due to that, he saved them because of something he saw they would do. That's not salvation by grace, but, that is his gospel.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Excellent answer.

He has all kinds of rules about what people have to do, hoops they need to jump through to get themselves saved. One infamous one is that God chose to save them only because they chose him, on their own, in the corridors of time. Due to that, he saved them because of something he saw they would do. That's not salvation by grace, but, that is his gospel.

That’s the foreseen faith teaching that is so pervasive in our churches these days. Sooooo, Acts of the Apostles 10:34, Romans 2:11, & Galatians 2:6 all says God shows no favoritism/partiality. Yet, they say God looked down the hallway of time and saw who would choose Him and He elected them accordingly. That clearly contradicts thos aforementioned verses above, no?

Plus, that’s open theism, as God had to look and see who had it and who didn’t. It’s heresy on top of heresy.

 

[Mjh29]

Stubborn like a mule...I know that you see it but will not admit to it...just like a JW (makes me think of the thread title again).

No not at all. All I see is contradiction after contradiction, going absolutely nowhere because you refuse to

That’s the foreseen faith teaching that is so pervasive in our churches these days. Sooooo, Acts of the Apostles 10:34, Romans 2:11, & Galatians 2:6 all says God shows no favoritism/partiality. Yet, they say God looked down the hallway of time and saw who would choose Him and He elected them accordingly. That clearly contradicts thos aforementioned verses above, no?

Plus, that’s open theism, as God had to look and see who had it and who didn’t. It’s heresy on top of heresy.

Most heresy is like onions..... it has layers. Just when you though you've peeled through the exterior.... BOOM! More layers!

 

[SovereignGrace]

No not at all. All I see is contradiction after contradiction, going absolutely nowhere because you refuse to


Most heresy is like onions..... it has layers. Just when you though you've peeled through the exterior.... BOOM! More layers!

And the stench!

#PU!

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

It seems to me that Unconditional Election and Limited Atonement together, teach that a person can call on the name of the Lord for salvation and yet not be saved.

This is in contradiction to

Rom 10:13, For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

It is no contradiction at all.
Every Calvinist teaches this verse just as it is written.
We proclaim the gospel to all sinners. Jesus has planned to save a multitude of persons.
We know He has planned this before the world was.
This is not even close to being a problem .

 

[SovereignGrace]

It is no contradiction at all.
Every Calvinist teaches this verse just as it is written.
We proclaim the gospel to all sinners. Jesus has planned to save a multitude of persons.
We know He has planned this before the world was.
This is not even close to being a problem .

We, both sides, see this through different lenses.

Everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. We just disagree on how and why they call upon Him. We see it as God doing a work only He can do, that causes us to call out. They see it as they doing their part first, and then God rewards them for willing themselves to life.

 

[Mjh29]

willing themselves to life

using what we can only assume is some form of spiritual necromancy

 

[SovereignGrace]

using what we can only assume is some form of spiritual necromancy

Why yeah. Lazarus willed himself out of his tomb and then the Christ rewarded him with life.

 

[SovereignGrace]

using what we can only assume is some form of spiritual necromancy

Lazarus wasn’t really dead, but in a zombie like state.

 

[Mjh29]

Why yeah. Lazarus willed himself out of his tomb and then the Christ rewarded him with life.

and Jesus said "Lazarus, come forth."

Lazarus replied. "Uh, actually, you can't make me do that. It would be against my free will, soooo.... I'll come out when I'm good and ready."

Jesus walked away, saddened at His lack of power.

LOL praise the Lord this isnt the Gospel!

 

[Mjh29]

Lazarus wasn’t really dead, but in a zombie like state.

Any wise person would just live out his life without being a Christian, then grab his "Get out of Hell free" Card right before He dies.

 

[SovereignGrace]

and Jesus said "Lazarus, come forth."

Lazarus replied. "Uh, actually, you can't make me do that. It would be against my free will, soooo.... I'll come out when I'm good and ready."

Jesus walked away, saddened at His lack of power.

LOL praise the Lord this isnt the Gospel!

Well, they aren’t spiritually dead like Lazarus was, but dead, as in separated from the Father, as the Prodigal Son was to his father. This is their argument.

If so, then how can we 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.”[John 5] If we weren’t spiritually dead as a corpse, which is what neuroscience means in Ephesians 2:1, then we can not pass from death to life, but life to more life.

 

[tabletalk]

Any wise person would just live out his life without being a Christian, then grab his "Get out of Hell free" Card right before He dies.

(Matthew 20) 12…‘These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.’
13. But he answered one of them and said, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14. Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. 15. Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things?"

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Any wise person would just live out his life without being a Christian, then grab his "Get out of Hell free" Card right before He dies.

Exactly, because man has been duped into believing he can come to God anytime he pleases in his own ability.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Well, they aren’t spiritually dead like Lazarus was, but dead, as in separated from the Father, as the Prodigal Son was to his father. This is their argument.

If so, then how can we 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.”[John 5] If we weren’t spiritually dead as a corpse, which is what neuroscience means in Ephesians 2:1, then we can not pass from death to life, but life to more life.

Neuroscience? Man, I love autocorrect!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Any wise person would just live out his life without being a Christian, then grab his "Get out of Hell free" Card right before He dies.

Of course, they would actually be a fool, right?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Neuroscience? Man, I love autocorrect!

Oof! That was supposed to be nekros.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

and Jesus said "Lazarus, come forth."

Lazarus replied. "Uh, actually, you can't make me do that. It would be against my free will, soooo.... I'll come out when I'm good and ready."

Jesus walked away, saddened at His lack of power.

LOL praise the Lord this isnt the Gospel!

Well, I mean, who cares what Scripture teaches? I heard one say, in their vast wisdom, that God is a gentleman, and he would not violate man's freewill, so, Jesus gave Lazarus an option to either come back to life or not. Lazarus then chose his way out of the tomb. Man is that powerful, even when spiritually dead.

Since this person says God is a gentleman, and won't do this, well, it sounds so precious! Because of this it must be true! God just waits for us to come to him out of our own love for him, because he doesn't want robots. If he were God, I mean if he did all the saving then we are just robots. SO it has to be this way because I thought it through and it makes sense. If you try to show me I'm wrong with the Bible I'll neutralize any verse you give with one out of context.

So, the Gospel is reduced down to voting. Just vote for God, yes or no, then, because of the power of one's decision of yes, when they die they go to heaven. And? They can live however they want in between! Why? They've already forced themselves into heaven, no one can keep them out. All we have to do is Romans 10:17 and we are in! Bam! No repentance, sanctification, anything. If God doesn't let us in, then he's a liar (one preacher told me this. Why would he lie? He also taught me evidence of conversion is works salvation and called the police on me for my beliefs!)

Jesus just came here to earth to show us how powerful we are, and how powerful our words are, now it is up to us. He didn't really mean that no one was able to come to him. What he really meant is that we are able to come to him so the opposite is true for those who know the real truth. But I still believe the whole bible, don't judge!!!

Oh, but salvation is ALL him at the same time even though we decided ourselves into heaven. He just cancels out our own ability to come to him ourselves once we're saved so he gets all the glory so we're ok with it so whatever.

Sarcasm ended...but sadly the above is a mix of what many believe.