I'm concerned that Trump is illuminati

[brakelite]

I think the measure would be the majority of its citizens are Christian or its leaders are majority Christian. Maybe a country or two in South America.

Like Mexico or Columbia where the majority are Catholic including the cartel bosses who tithe to the Vatican all their pernicious gains...just as Mafia bosses do? Is that who you are suggesting are a majority Christian?

 

[Soverign Grace]

Hi Soverign Grace,

If there is truth to Trump and Putin being allied behind the scenes, and are actually workers of iniquity/satanists, which other countries out there would be non-antichrist? And by non-antichrist country, I think the measure would be the majority of its citizens are Christian or its leaders are majority Christian. Maybe a country or two in South America.

It doesn't seem like there would be any other country out there to push back/defeat the antichrists/satanists - which means it will only be God-the-Father and God-the-Son pouring out their wrath, rather than any "Christian" leader here on earth.

That's a good question. I'd like to find out, because I read that all the wealthy techs in CA have bought up land in New Zealand. A believer on here actually told me that Americans aren't allowed to buy there anymore because of it. But NZ is controlled by the same evil people I read. I did talk to a guy who escaped Germany and is building in Panama so I don't know if that's free of satanists or not. I think we're going to see a worsening of mass surveillance. They began putting unknown kiosks in NY and even the local legislators were allegedly kept in the dark. But if you come across any articles on a place that isn't controlled by them, please let me know. I actually was thinking of relocating. I got an email from Realtor.com saying that many Americans were purchasing land in rural areas, that was self-sufficient: it had enough ground to grow food on, and drill a well for water, etc.

These are very precarious times. I'm waiting for another false flag. Learning about 9-11 was really sickening. I recall at the time my husband, who is in the trades, told me that a building doesn't usually collapse like that, and something was odd. It was an offhand remark made years ago but now it's all making sense.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Like Mexico or Columbia where the majority are Catholic including the cartel bosses who tithe to the Vatican all their pernicious gains...just as Mafia bosses do? Is that who you are suggesting are a majority Christian?

The cartels donate money to the Vatican? I guess it shouldn't surprise us.

I would like to find a place where none of this was going on. At least in Australia you don't have to be concerned with attacks like 9-11 (which is our own government doing it apparently.) I keep reading that another is on the horizon. Isn't that when the remainder is supposed to take place - where a "savior" appears to have the answer to all the world's ills? We know it's likely the Pope.

 

[4Jesus]

That's interesting, I'm going to read through it today. I've wondered where Russia plays into this. I read that Russia was building nuclear bunkers so I'm wondering why.

I think it'll make sense to you once you read through the commentary on God/Magog and Russia. Of course it could have a piece or two that is wrong, but overall I think it's good.

Satanists/antichrists all know God-the-Father and God-the-Son exist, and what their plans are. The best they can do now, is to control as much as possible of the public knowledge, and to redirect to themselves as being the cause (for worship to them). Revelation 6:15-17: "Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. And said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?"

 

[4Jesus]

I appreciate the link. I'm still trying to figure out exactly who is pulling the strings, whether it's the bankers or the Vatican or both. I tend to not believe all the bluster that's being put out about Trump. I think it's all theatre designed to distract the American people. I think the Mueller investigation is a big farce - Trump has control of the FBI. I'm disappointed that Christians are so gullible. But some pastors have been waking up to it - I see some put websites up about him, and videos. Trump is playing people, and they're going to have rude awakening. They kept supporting him when he filled his cabinet with globalists, when he kept the wars up, when he refused to secure the border time after time after time. 72,000 Americans died in one year from the drugs flooding in from Mexico and it's supposed to get worse. Only someone with a dark heart would keep the border open knowing of the abject suffering that was going to ensue. He's done a few things - such as pulling out of the Paris deal, which I think was done to throw people off so he could continue fulfilling Agenda 21 while saying the opposite.

God has been opening this up to me only in the past 6 months or so, and I'm just learning about Gog/ Magog so I'll look at the links.

For my belief, it's satan on top, then his demons directing the human followers/workers, in the three areas of finance/government/religion. So I agree, bankers and Vatican, and then the leaders of the governments. I'm in the camp that believes the pope will be the false prophet (not the beast/antichrist), especially with the recent attempt to merge Catholicism and Islam (mystery babylon).

I agree with you about throwing people off with a few agenda items here and there. One example is abortion, pro-life. I've wondered recently, once the antichrist/satanists are in control publicly, will abortion still be legal - wouldn't they want as many beings as possible for their kingdom, to worship them. Plus, when the beast is in the flesh and people believe he is "God", would him in his role still protect that right? I don't know, something to wonder about though.

 

[brakelite]

The cartels donate money to the Vatican? I guess it shouldn't surprise us.

I would like to find a place where none of this was going on. At least in Australia you don't have to be concerned with attacks like 9-11 (which is our own government doing it apparently.) I keep reading that another is on the horizon. Isn't that when the remainder is supposed to take place - where a "savior" appears to have the answer to all the world's ills? We know it's likely the Pope.

I have no evidence that such is the case. It is a presumption on my part...I think though well founded...however, the Mafia certainly did, and with full knowledge of the Vatican bank. I think there is still a bishop hiding in the Vatican because the moment he steps outside he will be arrested by the Italian police for money laundering when he was a high official in that bank. The Vatican has no extradition treaties with Italy as far as I know...in fact, it would surprise me if they did with anyone. Back in the day the Sicilian mafia were very high on the most favoured list when ity came to funding certain Vatican projects.

 

[4Jesus]

Like Mexico or Columbia where the majority are Catholic including the cartel bosses who tithe to the Vatican all their pernicious gains...just as Mafia bosses do? Is that who you are suggesting are a majority Christian?

Na, I was thinking smaller countries than Columbia. I was going to even suggest a possibility in Africa (such as Nigeria if the Islam followers don't win it).

I guess there really isn't anwhere left, especially that could fight back/have a chance.

 

[4Jesus]

That's a good question. I'd like to find out, because I read that all the wealthy techs in CA have bought up land in New Zealand. A believer on here actually told me that Americans aren't allowed to buy there anymore because of it. But NZ is controlled by the same evil people I read. I did talk to a guy who escaped Germany and is building in Panama so I don't know if that's free of satanists or not. I think we're going to see a worsening of mass surveillance. They began putting unknown kiosks in NY and even the local legislators were allegedly kept in the dark. But if you come across any articles on a place that isn't controlled by them, please let me know. I actually was thinking of relocating. I got an email from Realtor.com saying that many Americans were purchasing land in rural areas, that was self-sufficient: it had enough ground to grow food on, and drill a well for water, etc.

These are very precarious times. I'm waiting for another false flag. Learning about 9-11 was really sickening. I recall at the time my husband, who is in the trades, told me that a building doesn't usually collapse like that, and something was odd. It was an offhand remark made years ago but now it's all making sense.

You're right, surveillance is getting worse; I can see the drones in the sky night after night (very low, slow and unwavering trajectory), and will probably filter all the way down to financial transactions (beginning with credit card transactions) in the lead up to the "mark of the beast" and electronic currency.

That's eerie about the unknown kiosks in NY and the legislators being kept in the dark. Heh, do they just look at each other, throw their arms up, and leave the buildings when that happens, heh. What is their point if someone else is deciding for them.

The only place I can think of that there's a shot is Antarctica, heh, but even there it's away from the people of are there. Or the middle of the ocean, heh. I guess we have to go with Heaven - I'll take it, it's better than the best place here (a future Heaven is a present Hell; a future Hell is a present Heaven).

The only thing about the relocating to rural areas is when mass destruction events occur, people in cities will flock to those areas and possibly take over other's properties. So perhaps somewhere like in Nebraska or Iowa, as far from a big city to a rural area with good soil as one can get.

My hope is still in a "taking away" to Heaven.

 

[4Jesus]

Yesterday Trump's biographer stated he believes Trump is a Russian agent. Quote from the interview "“I’ve said from the very beginning that the kindest thing you can say about Donald [Trump] is that he has divided loyalties and I believe, wittingly or not, that he is a Kremlin agent,” Johnston said. “We actually have a Kremlin agent in the White House.”

Found in this article:
Trump biographer says the president, "wittingly or not," is a Kremlin agent

 

[Soverign Grace]

For my belief, it's satan on top, then his demons directing the human followers/workers, in the three areas of finance/government/religion. So I agree, bankers and Vatican, and then the leaders of the governments. I'm in the camp that believes the pope will be the false prophet (not the beast/antichrist), especially with the recent attempt to merge Catholicism and Islam (mystery babylon).

I agree with you about throwing people off with a few agenda items here and there. One example is abortion, pro-life. I've wondered recently, once the antichrist/satanists are in control publicly, will abortion still be legal - wouldn't they want as many beings as possible for their kingdom, to worship them. Plus, when the beast is in the flesh and people believe he is "God", would him in his role still protect that right? I don't know, something to wonder about though.

I really wish I had lived in another era. I cringe when I think of what's ahead. I see just how things have grown so much worse in my lifetime, and it bothers me to see it. I feel so sorry for the younger generations.

 

[Soverign Grace]

I have no evidence that such is the case. It is a presumption on my part...I think though well founded...however, the Mafia certainly did, and with full knowledge of the Vatican bank. I think there is still a bishop hiding in the Vatican because the moment he steps outside he will be arrested by the Italian police for money laundering when he was a high official in that bank. The Vatican has no extradition treaties with Italy as far as I know...in fact, it would surprise me if they did with anyone. Back in the day the Sicilian mafia were very high on the most favoured list when ity came to funding certain Vatican projects.

The Vatican has quite a corrupt history; I wonder how I lived so long without ever having heard it.

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop - when something is going to happen here again. I keep hearing that there is going to be a WW3 and I'm wondering how it's going to start and when.

 

[Soverign Grace]

You're right, surveillance is getting worse; I can see the drones in the sky night after night (very low, slow and unwavering trajectory), and will probably filter all the way down to financial transactions (beginning with credit card transactions) in the lead up to the "mark of the beast" and electronic currency.

That's eerie about the unknown kiosks in NY and the legislators being kept in the dark. Heh, do they just look at each other, throw their arms up, and leave the buildings when that happens, heh. What is their point if someone else is deciding for them.

The only place I can think of that there's a shot is Antarctica, heh, but even there it's away from the people of are there. Or the middle of the ocean, heh. I guess we have to go with Heaven - I'll take it, it's better than the best place here (a future Heaven is a present Hell; a future Hell is a present Heaven).

The only thing about the relocating to rural areas is when mass destruction events occur, people in cities will flock to those areas and possibly take over other's properties. So perhaps somewhere like in Nebraska or Iowa, as far from a big city to a rural area with good soil as one can get.

My hope is still in a "taking away" to Heaven.

A family member freaked out when a drone buzzed around - it's really creepy. I read that in Japan they're designed to look like birds. It's gotten out of hand. You would think that the local legislators would have at least been informed, but everything is destabilized today.

That's a good saying! I never heard it before. I know heaven is ahead but it's waiting that's hard - and worrying about those you love. If I can find a warm place where it might be safe from this craziness then I might go. I spoke with a German man who said he saw how bad Germany was getting and he packed up and moved. He said he had a successful restaurant and his friends all said he was crazy but now they see he wasn't. He's building a community in South America.

All the manufacturing left in our city and it dried up and now it's crime-ridden. I wouldn't drive in the city past dark. Right out the front door of our church, cars were robbed during the church service in the daytime. Our church has been robbed several times; now they lock the door when the service begins because there are so many places that someone can hide in our church. It's so sad. What was once a thriving city has become an empty shell. There are four big beautiful churches in a row - ours is one of them. But they sit half-empty. Our church is going to be gone within five years most likely. It's only older people now, with only a few young people. They have rows of classrooms when it was bustling with kids and families - now the rooms all sit empty. Maybe someone who hasn't seen that doesn't know how bad it is until it happens in their city. I think they're going to continue until America is gutted.

 

[tzcho2]

Yesterday Trump's biographer stated he believes Trump is a Russian agent. Quote from the interview "“I’ve said from the very beginning that the kindest thing you can say about Donald [Trump] is that he has divided loyalties and I believe, wittingly or not, that he is a Kremlin agent,” Johnston said. “We actually have a Kremlin agent in the White House.”

Found in this article:
Trump biographer says the president, "wittingly or not," is a Kremlin agent

Just another Trump hating Lefty journalist.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Trump's lie to lower drug prices: Another time Trump says one thing and does another. Some die-hards refuse to take off the rose-colored glasses:

Trump’s Big Lie Pledge to Lower Drug Prices - Global Research

 

[tzcho2]

Those perceptions...it is like we are from two different worlds....

 

[brakelite]

My problem with accusing Trump of lying, treason, hypocrisy, corruption etc etc. is that I find myself all of a sudden standing shoulder to shoulder with people such as Pelosi, Clinton, Antifa, CIA, FBI, CFR, all the European leaders, Islamists, Mexican drug dealers, Hollywood, Democrats, Planned parenthood, ...man, I think I could fill the page with names of individuals and organisations that have vowed their eternal and deep seated hatred of everything Trump...honestly, I think I could do better with the company on the other side.

 

[4Jesus]

I really wish I had lived in another era. I cringe when I think of what's ahead. I see just how things have grown so much worse in my lifetime, and it bothers me to see it. I feel so sorry for the younger generations.

So do I. Although, I think I'd rather have been born in the future, in Jesus' millennium kingdom.

 

[4Jesus]

A family member freaked out when a drone buzzed around - it's really creepy. I read that in Japan they're designed to look like birds. It's gotten out of hand. You would think that the local legislators would have at least been informed, but everything is destabilized today.

That's a good saying! I never heard it before. I know heaven is ahead but it's waiting that's hard - and worrying about those you love. If I can find a warm place where it might be safe from this craziness then I might go. I spoke with a German man who said he saw how bad Germany was getting and he packed up and moved. He said he had a successful restaurant and his friends all said he was crazy but now they see he wasn't. He's building a community in South America.

I agree, the waiting is so very hard. As Jesus said, we are to occupy, and to keep looking up. He knew we would be going through this, so that's reassuring.

I hope you're able to find somewhere to ride these end times out. Me, I'm preparing for the worst - to be raped and tortured to death for my belief in Jesus; all uphill from there if that doesn't happen. And hoping on the "taking away", as we discussed earlier.

All the manufacturing left in our city and it dried up and now it's crime-ridden. I wouldn't drive in the city past dark. Right out the front door of our church, cars were robbed during the church service in the daytime. Our church has been robbed several times; now they lock the door when the service begins because there are so many places that someone can hide in our church. It's so sad. What was once a thriving city has become an empty shell. There are four big beautiful churches in a row - ours is one of them. But they sit half-empty. Our church is going to be gone within five years most likely. It's only older people now, with only a few young people. They have rows of classrooms when it was bustling with kids and families - now the rooms all sit empty. Maybe someone who hasn't seen that doesn't know how bad it is until it happens in their city. I think they're going to continue until America is gutted.

I think one of the problems with the churches, is that so many of them were built; at the time, those were all filled. Since the "falling away", the demand has fallen more than the supply.

 

[4Jesus]

Trump's lie to lower drug prices: Another time Trump says one thing and does another. Some die-hards refuse to take off the rose-colored glasses:

Trump’s Big Lie Pledge to Lower Drug Prices - Global Research

And there's still some time left in this administration; who knows what else will occur.

 

[4Jesus]

My problem with accusing Trump of lying, treason, hypocrisy, corruption etc etc. is that I find myself all of a sudden standing shoulder to shoulder with people such as Pelosi, Clinton, Antifa, CIA, FBI, CFR, all the European leaders, Islamists, Mexican drug dealers, Hollywood, Democrats, Planned parenthood, ...man, I think I could fill the page with names of individuals and organisations that have vowed their eternal and deep seated hatred of everything Trump...honestly, I think I could do better with the company on the other side.

Hi Brakelite,

I've had that thought as well, but for me, I'm against all of those you listed, so I don't really stand shoulder to shoulder with them; it is moreso that Trump has the spotlight, and as I believe, is being deceptive in his words of being a Christian, which all those others are not claiming as such.

And I do think Trump did at least one thing right, which was the embassy move to Jerusalem; although that was not totally Trump - congress in 1995 passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act (Jerusalem Embassy Act - Wikipedia). That is one way I don't share the "hatred of everything Trump".

To me, all leaders of this world are helping/protecting satan's kingdom, which I am against. So while some leaders may do good that helps Christians, it is ultimately pointless regarding the end times. John 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.