Calvinism is a Cult

[justbyfaith]

Daniel 4:35 ESV / 1,166 helpful votes
All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”
Isaiah 43:13 ESV / 780 helpful votes
Also henceforth I am he; there is none who can deliver from my hand; I work, and who can turn it back?”
Psalm 135:6 ESV / 709 helpful votes
Whatever the Lord pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps.
Isaiah 2:22 ESV / 707 helpful votes
Stop regarding man in whose nostrils is breath, for of what account is he?
Psalm 115:3 ESV / 663 helpful votes
Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases.

Jhn 6:37, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

This would indicate that if someone does make a free will decision to receive Christ, that God will not reject them

You better bow your knee to him,

Sorry, he cannot do that because he doesn't have free will.

As for me, I have done that because, frankly, I do.

 

[Mjh29]

Jhn 6:37, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

This would indicate that if someone does make a free will decision to receive Christ, that God will not reject them

Yes, all that the father gives. How can He give something that isn't His?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

God does all the saving and people are whining about it. Lol!!!

 

[CoreIssue]

@CoreIssue, that's right it's all up to God, not you, and you're not God, though you think you are. You better bow your knee to him, because if it were up to you? You'd never be saved. Which proves you've "saved" yourself, because you DO think it was up to you by your very arguments, which is in the end meritorious "salvation."

No man is saved via will or decision, Scripture proves this making your beliefs man-made heresy. This means you're not saved via decision.

But go ahead, tell us more about how you did it, and how you despise God doing it, and being, well, God. You hate that, and despise the Potter. And while you're at it tell us more about how you know better than He. You're nothing but the Romans 9:20 man replying against Almighty God.

God does all the saving and people are whining about it. Lol!!!

As already pointed out God saves those first come to him in repentance.

 

[Mjh29]

As already pointed out God saves those first come to him in repentance.

So, what is the difference between those who believe and those who do not?

 

[CoreIssue]

Self-explanatory statement. Some believe in the God of the Bible and his gospel and some do not. Freewill choice.

 

[Mjh29]

Self-explanatory statement. Some believe in the God of the Bible and his gospel and some do not. Freewill choice.

But why? There has to be a reason why some do and others don't.

 

[CoreIssue]

But why? There has to be a reason why some do and others don't.

Personal choice. Why do some prefer chocolate over vanilla ice cream?

 

[Mjh29]

Personal choice. Why do some prefer chocolate over vanilla ice cream?

Oh.... so salvation isn't really that big of a deal.... more of a "Do I prefer chocolate or vanilla? Chevy or Ford" flippant kind of nonchalant decision?

What if I change my mind later? What if I decide that I don't like chocolate anymore?

 

[CoreIssue]

Oh.... so salvation isn't really that big of a deal.... more of a "Do I prefer chocolate or vanilla? Chevy or Ford" flippant kind of nonchalant decision?

What if I change my mind later? What if I decide that I don't like chocolate anymore?

You keep trying to belittle those who do not agree with you.

I don't know and you don't. Only the individual and God know.

If unsaved one can change their mind, which has happened many times. But
if saved we are changed in such a way we will never want to leave. Romans 8.

Upon death decisions we made about such things in life are locked in. The Angels made their decisions a very long time ago and humans make their decision during their lives. None have any desire to change. All of which is beyond human understanding.

 

[Mjh29]

You keep trying to belittle those who do not agree with you.

I don't know and you don't. Only the individual and God know.

If unsaved one can change their mind, which has happened many times. But
if saved we are changed in such a way we will never want to leave. Romans 8.

Upon death decisions we made about such things in life are locked in. The Angels made their decisions a very long time ago and humans make their decision during their lives. None have any desire to change. All of which is beyond human understanding.

Oh! So God only has any power AFTER we let Him? So, He can't save us because we have to choose Him, and He can only keep us saved after we let Him?

Who is the real God in such a scenario?
Who has the REAL power?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Oh! So God only has any power AFTER we let Him? So, He can't save us because we have to choose Him, and He can only keep us saved after we let Him?

Who is the real God in such a scenario?
Who has the REAL power?

Finney?

 

[Mjh29]

Finney?

Right! Our lord and savior Charles Finney!

....who lied his way into the Presbyterian church, and then admitted doing so....

all hail lol.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Right! Our lord and savior Charles Finney!

....who lied his way into the Presbyterian church, and then admitted doing so....

all hail lol.

Crept in unawares for sure...

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Crept in unawares for sure...

Oh, and he said we choose heaven just like choosing a career.

 

[CoreIssue]

Oh! So God only has any power AFTER we let Him? So, He can't save us because we have to choose Him, and He can only keep us saved after we let Him?

Who is the real God in such a scenario?
Who has the REAL power?

God for knows everything but no one can be held responsible for anything until they actually do it.

Ever watching me the science fiction where the cops arrest people for what they will do, not for what they have done?

You're confining God to a little box.

 

[Mjh29]

God for knows everything but no one can be held responsible for anything until they actually do it.

Ever watching me the science fiction where the cops arrest people for what they will do, not for what they have done?

You're confining God to a little box.

I'm confining God to a box? I'm saying God has the right to do whatever He wants to do, because this is His creation, the He made from nothing. You are saying "No, God can't save people because they have to choose Him" YOU are shoving Him into a box, using your "Free will" as the prod.

I think you can plainly see who you make out to be the God, when you insist that God can't do things because it would "interrupt MY free will." It is you who put God into a box, telling Him that He is unjust if He doesn't cater to you "free will" and if He doesn't "give everyone a chance."

 

[CoreIssue]

I'm confining God to a box? I'm saying God has the right to do whatever He wants to do, because this is His creation, the He made from nothing. You are saying "No, God can't save people because they have to choose Him" YOU are shoving Him into a box, using your "Free will" as the prod.

I think you can plainly see who you make out to be the God, when you insist that God can't do things because it would "interrupt MY free will." It is you who put God into a box, telling Him that He is unjust if He doesn't cater to you "free will" and if He doesn't "give everyone a chance."

Of course God has a right to do whatever he wishes.

He gave us freewill and set parameters in which to use it.

That is his well.

 

[Mjh29]

Of course God has a right to do whatever he wishes.

He gave us freewill and set parameters in which to use it.

That is his well.

He gave ADAM free will and the parameters in which to use it.... Adam then fell and doomed the entire race's wills to be enslaved to Satan and to sin.

 

[CoreIssue]

He gave ADAM free will and the parameters in which to use it.... Adam then fell and doomed the entire race's wills to be enslaved to Satan and to sin.

So?