Should I be rebaptised?

[bbyrd009]

If baptised and believe are the 2 criteria, then both are met.

unfortunately baptism can be reduced to a ritual, and "belief" is not the standard, regardless of the many pastors telling you so, and the many mistranslations of the Bible that forward that notion (which any Lex will reveal); faith is. Your beliefs will never be judged, love believes all things, etc

so you might note that the same ppl pushing beliefs are also debating the best way to perform the dead and pointless ritual, that has had death stripped out of it. The real baptism will come when you leave your old life and everything you have regardless imo, at least as long as these lead to a changed mind, which is the point. No sense giving everything away if you still desire them I guess iow.

"baptism and believe" is the formula provided by those in the camp, right

 

[Taken]

If baptised and believe are the 2 criteria, then both are met. But I spent alot of my adult years thinking, God hates me. Reason for that is the mess I made of things not Him.
Ifs are irrelevant, and there is a gulf in heaven.


Keep straight TWO parties are not the same.
God is one thing.
You are another thing.

God offers, God will provide what He offers.

God is not going to FORCE you to accept his offering.

You alone decides IF you want to Accept His offerings.

It is a given. You can not Agree to Accept "any offering from God", IF you do not Believe God exists.

Believing IN God, is the same as Believing He exists and IS God.

Your belief, is your decision.
Your belief IN God, then activates what He has offered, becomes given you.

Without your choice, you were given LIFE...
Your body, a vessel ... given (life/blood)
Your soul, a vessel....given, (life/Gods breath)

God is Life.
He the giver of Life.
And He the taker away of Life.

Gods message is clear...
He WILL take the life (blood) of your body.
Your body WILL die.
And you have two choices;
1) IN Christ, your body will be risen up in eternal life.
2) WITHOUT Christ, your body will be destroyed.

Your soul, will keep it's life;
1) IF you choose to be "IN" Christ.
2) or WITHOUT Chirst, Gods Breath, will return to God, and your soul destroyed.

Your natural spirit (which is simply your natural truth in your heart, (not mind).
1) IN Chirst, your spirit becomes born again with Gods seed..(thus becomes supernatural, no longer natural and subject to death).
2) WITHOUT Christ's SEED, your natural spirit remains subject to death, and will be destroyed with you natural body.

Babies are born with instincts, and gain knowledge by what they see and are told.
They are primitive, and instinctually trust, what feeds them and comforts them.
Which is typically the 24-7 role a Mommy, provides for the baby, and why babies instinctually will cling to their Mommy.

Repentance after sin is a must, how can a baby repent to receive baptism, when he has no personal sins? I'm aware of the carried on sins of mankind but personal sin.

Babies are naturally born with the same SIN any man is naturally born with...DISBELIEF in God.

Do you propose God is unjust, and expects a baby to even know ABOUT Him, without first having heard and learned about Him?

Jesus chose 12 grown Jewish men, (not babies), and such men had 4,000 Years of historical knowledge of GOD, and still Jesus spent three years teaching those grown Jewish men about Gods Messiah.

God does not require "repentance" from a baby. And when did the thief on the cross next to Jesus "repent" ?

The Whole of Scripture is true.
But not Every word of Scrpture APPLIES to every single person.

Are you a BABY? No. So what does what your parents did, have to do with you? You are capable of make your own decisions. And you will be accountable for your decisions, not your parents.

Are you a THIEF hanging next to Jesus? No.
You are an adult who cam be sorry for not having believed, and tell the Lord yourself. You can confess your own Belief in the Lord.
After all, it is you who must desire a relationship with the Lord. That may please your parents, but they can not decide that for you, or pledge your vow to the Lord for you.

I'm aware of the carried on sins of mankind but personal sin.

Don't know what you mean.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Acolyte]

we even have a reliable clock in the dollar to calculate when it will...well, "fall" isn't really the right term, it's fallen over 99% already lol, so let's say "crash."

We learned our lesson in 2004, the market went and so did alot of our savings. We no longer play that game. The economist and such says our generation didn't save enough for retirement, nevermind that we were robbed by the system they set-up. Just had to rant. Back to topic.

 

[Marymog]

βάπτω, “to dip in or under” (trans.): Hom. Od., 9, 392; Aesch. Prom., 863: ἐν σφαγαῖσι βάψασα ξίφος; “to dye,” used in Josephus only in this sense, Bell., 4, 563; Ant., 3, 102; βάμμα, “dyed material,” Ant., 3, 129; P. Par., 52, 10; 53, 5 (163/2 B.C.): βαπτά, “dyed or coloured clothes.”
The intens. [βαπτίζω occurs in the sense of “to immerse” (trans.) from the time of Hippocrates, in Plato and esp. in later writers, a. strictly, act. βαπτίζειν τὸ σκάφος, “to sink the ship,” Jos. Bell., 3, 368, ὁ κλύδων


Oepke, A. (1964–). βάπτω, βαπτίζω, βαπτισμός, βάπτισμα, βαπτιστής. G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley, & G. Friedrich (Eds.), Theological dictionary of the New Testament (electronic ed., Vol. 1, pp. 529–530). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.

I agree with what you have quoted and have said the same thing: “to dip in or under”

To dip in (partially immersed) OR under (fully immersed)

I thought we were disagreeing with each other but this entire time we were actually agreeing with each other.

Mary

 

[VictoryinJesus]

so you might note that the same ppl pushing beliefs are also debating the best way to perform the dead and pointless ritual, that has had death stripped out of it. The real baptism will come when you leave your old life and everything you have regardless imo, at least as long as these lead to a changed mind, which is the point. No sense giving everything away if you still desire them I guess iow.

“the best way to perform the dead and pointless ritual, that has had death stripped out of it.” Good point.

Could also be seen in The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants...(John 6:63) ...the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

 

[Taken]

@Taken I tithe where I am fed. They don't ask or demand it, I feel in my heart they earn it by teaching verse by verse, precept on precept. I feel His presence
and for that I am truely grateful.
Blessings

Then you get the big picture of purpose for giving.

The Priesthood God established, provided no land to that tribe. No land....meant, no homestead, no place to garden, plant crops, raise food, raise animals, have assists to trade and barter food, clothing, materials, etc. They were to travel, and preach and the people would provide lodging, food, clothing, money.
The concept of today's, tithing.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[liafailrock]

Just my thoughts on this thread. Raised an evangelical, we had infant baptism which I know is not biblical (some parents bypass the pressure by calling it a dedication of the child to the Lord in hopes they get baptised later). Infant baptism is not true baptism so the question should not be "rebaptized"). Consequently, I've never internalized the need for it until fairly recently in history. The more I read the bible, the more I see every convert had a water baptism. While it's not needed to be saved, it's an obedience thing that if you know you are capable, you should do it. I knew I could not face the Lord and justify not being baptized. In other words, he may save you, but keep on disobeying (showing lack of repentance) when you know better and you may not stay that way. Of course there are exceptions such as fear of the water, or being a thief on the cross. But be thankful you are not in those situations! I was completely dunked. No covering the nose allowed! So it was as if I died and rose again which is what it signifies. I gave my testimony beforehand and lightheartedly said when people ask why I waited so long after believing I said Jesus taught at age 12 but was not baptized until 30. So I was just "following the Lord" LOL. So it's never too late.

Now once baptized I take issue with some churches that claim it's not valid unless you are baptized by them, a "true" minister or whatever that means. The issue is between you and the Lord, and it conveys a public testimony of your faith -- not about the baptizer doing all sorts of rituals that they think the Holy Spirit is too impotent and useless unless the Spirit works thru them somehow (c.f. 1 Timothy 2:5). This practice of baptism is taken off the idea of the Jewish mikvah (which is what spurred my interest) in which ritual purification is complete immersion, and the Jewish person basically baptises themselves. Now for those who remember my posts, they know I'm the math/science type. For those who would question the validity of my baptism, I found later that the distance from my a certain stone from my yard (the stone I identified long before then with Christ -- a long story) to the baptismal site at the river is 12240 feet --- the same number of days Christ lived! Now one does not have to believe that, but the number is significant to me, and thus a sign from my Lord. Oh, but it does not end there. I found several astounding "coincidences" at the sight my pastor picked without my intervention. I heard some ministries say that what they preached was not done for 1900 years, or another that threw in the number 17 and then we are supposed to oooo and ahhhh like that's a miracle with one simple number. Well, let's see if any can compete with 12240? And I have other things to show so much that as Psalm 23 says, my (mathematical) cup surely overflows! Not an accident. MY POINT IS THIS when baptized, look for the Lord's verifying signs. And you can do as I did -- I washed and hung up my baptismal suit (a simple pair of swimming trunks and a T-shirt along with the service bulletin.) It becomes a tangible reminder when the enemy attacks. After all, NOBODY and I mean NOBODY goes thru such an act deceitfully unless totally evil or crazy. So it affirms your faith in the Lord, and that you repented. BTW, I threw out the smelly river sneakers. I thought to myself that was a tad much to save. LOL.

 

[Acolyte]

The more I read the bible, the more I see every convert had a water baptism. While it's not needed to be saved, it's an obedience thing that if you know you are capable, you should do it. I knew I could not face the Lord and justify not being baptized

I agree.. pleasing the Lord thru obedience.
Thank you.

 

[marksman]

Ah but it is not an opinion. Should one who gets circumcised get circumcised again? Of course not, baptism just like circumcision is the entrance into God's covenant now how silly would it sound to tell someone to get circumcised again it would be meaningless because it could not be done as baptism is once and can no be redone. That is why redoing baptism is meaningless

Being baptised is different from being circumcised. In baptism, nothing is physically cut off from your body so we are not comparing like for like. There is no harm in being baptised a second time if you feel the first time was not according to scripture and most churches do not baptise according to scripture.

 

[historyb]

Being baptised is different from being circumcised. In baptism, nothing is physically cut off from your body so we are not comparing like for like. There is no harm in being baptised a second time if you feel the first time was not according to scripture and most churches do not baptise according to scripture.

Circumcision is foreshadowing Baptism. There is only one baptism, anymore and you just get wet.

 

[marksman]

Circumcision is foreshadowing Baptism. There is only one baptism, anymore and you just get wet.

Your comment does not make any sense at all.

 

[historyb]

Your comment does not make any sense at all.

Baptism can happen only one time.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Baptism can happen only one time.

But each different church has requirements as to what a valid baptism consists of. Therefore, if your previous baptism was (in their eyes) invalid, they will require a valid baptism to be performed.

 

[historyb]

But each different church has requirements as to what a valid baptism consists of. Therefore, if your previous baptism was (in their eyes) invalid, they will require a valid baptism to be performed.

Still does not matter though, there is only one baptism.

one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Eph 4:5

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Still does not matter though, there is only one baptism.

one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Eph 4:5

Yes, but different churches may require you to be re-bapitzed because the initial one was considered invalid.

 

[historyb]

Yes, but different churches may require you to be re-bapitzed because the initial one was considered invalid.

it still wouldn't matter

 

[Jane_Doe22]

it still wouldn't matter

I see it as being important because it's the entire background behind this thread (one group viewing the previous baptism as invalid).

 

[Nancy]

Did you feel stronger in Spirit?

Was hoping it would help me remember where to find scriptures. I remember what I've read, but not where to find it. I keep notes but hey, 3 notebooks for 8 books.. just another place to hunt.

I know allot of scriptures but, not so good at their 'addresses' either, so to speak, lol. I, personally, try not to equate The Holy Spirit of The Living God with human "feelings". Feelings can be deceiving as well as confusing for some. Not to mention how they waver! Not to say that how God works in our lives can NOT illicit human "feelings" because I believe they do.
Sry, tangent
I know this will most likely be poo-pooed but...why does nobody ever mention the thief on the cross who was never physically baptized? We are saved by grace through faith. IMHO-public immersion is a confession of faith, through your own mouth, among witnesses. The immersion (Again, IMO) symbolizes the washing away of the old nature and the rising up from the water symbolizes new life.

 

[marksman]

Baptism can happen only one time.

Can it? Nice to talk to a world authority on baptism.

 

[historyb]

Can it? Nice to talk to a world authority on baptism.

The Scriptures testify to such, but most evangelical, non denom, fundamentalist, what have you type of believer does not really harken to Scriptures but what they think it says