Calvinism is a Cult

[Nancy]

In my words, I make the same observation as another on these boards recently made...that Calvinists have a cult-like mentality in that they are hard-headed and will not bend to the truth even when it is clearly in front of (shown to) them.



This was originally addressed to Nancy; but I respond: Don't be ridiculous! Nancy has observed the very same things that I have observed in dealing with Calvinists. She does not have to provide documentation as far as I'm concerned, because I believe her, having experienced the same thing when dealing with Calvinists. btw, on the testimony of two or three witnesses shall every word be established...



I have never seen Nancy respond to anyone in the spirit of ridicule. Therefore you are the one libeling Nancy while condemning the sin of libel, which you yourself are guilty of.



Which post? (you can go to the # on the top right of any post, and right click on it, and then left click on "Copy link address" and then paste it in your next post).



And aren't you the guy that attacks the messenger instead of dealing with his statements logically? Last time I checked that was a logical fallacy.

Yes, the fact that a book was written on the subject on how Calvinism is weighed against the scales of John 3:16 and is found wanting, is to me evidence that there may be something to that premise. As I was not able to purchase the book I don't know the information that it contained. But in my own studies on Calvinism and the Bible I find that there is something to that premise. And the fact of the book title in question, while I would call it evidence, I never touted it as "proof".

I am not the only one who presents scriptures out of context. If I am not mistaken, it was one of you who very recently presented a list of references that contained singular verses and did not refer to their contexts (Calvinism is a Cult). So, what's good for the goose is good for the gander; you are out of line.



That is a very excellent point, @CoreIssue. Calvinists are just spinning their wheels because nothing that they do (in terms of evangelizing people into Calvinism) even matters according to their own theology.

Thank you for that JustbyFaith! I really did not have the mental energy to repeat all those verses yet again. It Is exhausting! Myself and another on here thing Preacher4 is James White, lol...Hmmmm. <3

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Laserbeam focus. That statement was addressed to DaveL.

As well, I did not address the thread to Denomination beliefs. I addressed it pacifically to Calvinism.

And what does dispensationalism have to do with any of this?

A big point is Calvinism the claim is not picks who saved no free will involved by people. Which begs the question of why are Calvinists on this forum trying to convert people to Calvinism when it doesn't matter? When their fate was decided before their birth?

2 Timothy 2:8-10

 

[justbyfaith]

Thank you for that JustbyFaith! I really did not have the mental energy to repeat all those verses yet again. It Is exhausting! Myself and another on here thing Preacher4 is James White, lol...Hmmmm. <3

You are very welcome! I know what it's like to be challenged that way.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Thank you for that JustbyFaith! I really did not have the mental energy to repeat all those verses yet again. It Is exhausting! Myself and another on here thing Preacher4 is James White, lol...Hmmmm. <3

But you have the mental energy to make false accusations, libel, and unsubstantiated claims, right? In other words you're all about being led by the flesh, but not by the Spirit.

 

[CoreIssue]

2 Timothy 2:8-10

Do not try that again. It isn't an answer.

 

[tabletalk]

The mind and the flesh are two separate things. The mind is the battleground where the spirit and the flesh fight to gain dominion.

Also, a man can have victory over, and be completely set free from, the influence and power of the flesh. Romans 7:14-25 is referring to believers, yes, but to those who are designated as carnal (Paul sets forth himself as a carnal believer in order to define what it means to be carnal). There are two different types of believer: carnal (i.e. as babes in Christ) and spiritual (i.e. mature believers who are walking in victory). See 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.

You said: "Also, a man can have victory over, and be completely set free from, the influence and power of the flesh."
I don't believe that statement.
Carry on!

 

[justbyfaith]

But you have the mental energy to make false accusations, libel, and unsubstantiated claims, right? In other words you're all about being led by the flesh, but not by the Spirit.

Have some respect for other people, please.

 

[justbyfaith]

You said: "Also, a man can have victory over, and be completely set free from, the influence and power of the flesh."
I don't believe that statement.
Carry on!

Keep reading your Bible, and I believe that you will see it eventually.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Have some respect for other people, please.

Says the one who libels others and has zero respect for God's word.

My post was perfectly respectful. Of the truth.

That's why you're offended.

Have some respect for the truth, God, and His Word.

The fact remains Nancy has lied, says she doesn't have the "mental energy" to substantiate her lies and is content with that. She does have the "mental energy" to offer up lies though. That's called works of the flesh, and she's up for that.

You've congratulated her, and now you're trying to be chivalrous? You really don't mind lying, twisting Scripture, or being complicit, do you? As long as libel serves your purposes you're all for it.

 

[Laish]

Laserbeam focus. That statement was addressed to DaveL.

As well, I did not address the thread to Denomination beliefs. I addressed it pacifically to Calvinism.

And what does dispensationalism have to do with any of this?

A big point is Calvinism the claim is not picks who saved no free will involved by people. Which begs the question of why are Calvinists on this forum trying to convert people to Calvinism when it doesn't matter? When their fate was decided before their birth?

Ok first in bold . Reformed theology is a denomination belief so you did address it to denominational beliefs. The only way to debate or discuss is by contrast . It’s simple it’s debate and discussion 101 . Somthing you can pick up on in high school debate clubs . Contrasting is used to help define the difference between multiple points of view is the basics .
Now to the second in bold what it has to do with the subject is that you used a man’s eschatology as a pejorative. I just contrasted one belief system with the other to demonstrate that your insult was meaningless.
Also did you forget the question I asked ? Your making a habit of this .
Blessings
Bill

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Keep reading your Bible, and I believe that you will see it eventually.

Really now? So you preach total victory over the flesh, yet you pracitce libel, twist God's word, and practice deceit on here?

You stated:

Also, a man can have victory over, and be completely set free from, the influence and power of the flesh.

Hmmmm. Apparently you're still enslaved to your flesh. What went wrong?

 

[Mjh29]

Really now? So you preach total victory over the flesh, yet you pracitce libel, twist God's word, and practice deceit on here?

You stated:



Hmmmm. Apparently you're still enslaved to your flesh. What went wrong?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

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This all reminds me of 2 Peter 2:19. We have one on here promising liberty to others while showing himself to be enslaved to corruption.

But that shouldn't apply to him, right, after all he claims to be "saved?" Those verses are just talking about what happens to "other people."

 

[Nancy]

But you have the mental energy to make false accusations, libel, and unsubstantiated claims, right? In other words you're all about being led by the flesh, but not by the Spirit.

You know NOTHING of what my life is about. I am just so weary and exhausted of repeating myself. This gets no where. If you want to think God is a respecter of persons, be my guest and my VERY LAST word on this subject is that I believe it is a doctrine of demons trying to discourage, divide and steal joy and assurance.

"But you have the mental energy to make false accusations, libel, and unsubstantiated claims, right?"

You seem to say these things allot, to anyone who does not agree with YOUR interpretation of scripture. Hey, you are already saved! Do as you please because you are sealed but all the other poor and lost souls are just going to burn forever because we didn't agree with you. Your limited atonement kind of throws the reason for evangelism right out the window.

Exo 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life , but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

This says to me that ALL men were put in the Book of LIFE from the very beginning.
Joh 3:16, 17 For God so loved the world , that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1Ti 2:3, 4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance .

Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me .

God wills that ALL men be saved. He allows us to reject Him, which many do and will.

“ Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door , I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me (Rev 3:20).” Seems like a free will choice. We either serve Him or Satan.

Jesus was called the Elect" Isa 45:4 -For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect , I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Israel too: 1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

The Angels, the Church are ALSO called "the elect" So, we know where we stand and neither one of us, unless eyes are opened to His Spirit of Truth...this is a solid stalemate.

God Bless

 

[Preacher4Truth]

You know NOTHING of what my life is about.

Actually I know enough about you from your posts. You come into threads to offer a drive-by slam, you libel others, make false accusations on their persons, then have a verse about knowing we are Jesus disciples for our love for one another on your profile.

I snipped the balance of your drivel laden accusatory post. You just don't know what the passages mean about God not being a respecter of persons, all you know how to do is slam someone with it. It isn't saying what you want it to say.

Your false accusations and assertions are out of control, you continue to misunderstand what "we" believe and assume to know what other Scriptures teach, and then accuse us of whatever you like with them.

As soon as you begin to act Christian, lose your accusations, lose your assumptions of what passages mean (typically it looks like they're all there to slam Reformed believers and exalt you) and want to discuss any verse (minus your assumptions and accusations about how you think we use them or break them) let me know.

I'll go one verse at a time with you when you're Christian enough to live up to your profile verse, and lose your libel and hate.

 

[Laish]

In my words, I make the same observation as another on these boards recently made...that Calvinists have a cult-like mentality in that they are hard-headed and will not bend to the truth even when it is clearly in front of (shown to) them.



This was originally addressed to Nancy; but I respond: Don't be ridiculous! Nancy has observed the very same things that I have observed in dealing with Calvinists. She does not have to provide documentation as far as I'm concerned, because I believe her, having experienced the same thing when dealing with Calvinists. btw, on the testimony of two or three witnesses shall every word be established...



I have never seen Nancy respond to anyone in the spirit of ridicule. Therefore you are the one libeling Nancy while condemning the sin of libel, which you yourself are guilty of.



Which post? (you can go to the # on the top right of any post, and right click on it, and then left click on "Copy link address" and then paste it in your next post).



And aren't you the guy that attacks the messenger instead of dealing with his statements logically? Last time I checked that was a logical fallacy.

Yes, the fact that a book was written on the subject on how Calvinism is weighed against the scales of John 3:16 and is found wanting, is to me evidence that there may be something to that premise. As I was not able to purchase the book I don't know the information that it contained. But in my own studies on Calvinism and the Bible I find that there is something to that premise. And the fact of the book title in question, while I would call it evidence, I never touted it as "proof".

I am not the only one who presents scriptures out of context. If I am not mistaken, it was one of you (even you) who very recently presented a list of references that contained singular verses and did not refer to their contexts (Calvinism is a Cult). So, what's good for the goose is good for the gander; you are out of line.



That is a very excellent point, @CoreIssue. Calvinists are just spinning their wheels because nothing that they do (in terms of evangelizing people into Calvinism) even matters according to their own theology. Therefore if they really believed what they say, they wouldn't attempt to evangelize people into their theology. It doesn't matter; they are just spinning their wheels.

Ok parts in bold so the fact one is hard headed and disagree with you or the majority of people here makes a person a cult member . Humm
Ok hold a discussion of the existence of God debate on a atheist forum are all Christians members of a cult ? Sense the majority would call us hardheaded The idea of audience determines a definition is not logical. Reformed folks disagree with you as they understand the scriptures. We defend what we understand to be the truth as revealed in the totally of the scriptures. Would you not defend the your belief in God to a atheist in the same hardheaded way . I hope you would.
As I said to others take a class in debate procedures it will help.
Blessings
Bill

 

[justbyfaith]

It is starting to wax ugly in here...time to take a break.

Keep in mind what it says in the following verse:

Galatians 5:15, But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

re #908, #910, and #914.

 

[Nancy]

Actually I know enough about you from your posts. You come into threads to offer a drive-by slam, you libel others, make false accusations on their persons, then have a verse about knowing we are Jesus disciples for our love for one another on your profile.

I snipped the balance of your drivel laden accusatory post. You just don't know what the passages mean about God not being a respecter of persons, all you know how to do is slam someone with it. It isn't saying what you want it to say.

Your false accusations and assertions are out of control, you continue to misunderstand what "we" believe and assume to know what other Scriptures teach, and then accuse us of whatever you like with them.

As soon as you begin to act Christian, lose your accusations, lose your assumptions of what passages mean (typically it looks like they're all there to slam Reformed believers and exalt you) and want to discuss any verse (minus your assumptions and accusations about how you think we use them or break them) let me know.

I'll go one verse at a time with you when you're Christian enough to live up to your profile verse, and lose your libel and hate.

Um, a little overkill there, don't ya think?? You are quite sensitive to what anybody has to say to you. YOU react nastily. I have no hate nor am I quilty of "libel", what false statements have I made?? I will say that I do not care for your doctrine and if you do not like that then just move on. I attenced a Calvinistic Church for 2.5 years so please, stop trying to make me out as ignorant of those doctrines! Oh yeah, maybe I could teach YOU a few things. Your arrogance knows no bounds sir. AND-first you say I give no scripture, and when I come back with scripture and you are still not satisfied. I will continue to allow the Spirit to guide me into ALL truth, not you.

 

[justbyfaith]

Reformed folks disagree with you as they understand the scriptures.

Reformed folks have a twisted view of the scriptures, perhaps through no fault of their own...it was simply predestinated that they wouldn't understand what the Bible teaches...

 

[Nancy]

It is starting to wax ugly in here...time to take a break.

Keep in mind what it says in the following verse:

Galatians 5:15, But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

re #908, #910, and #914.

Yes JBF, you are correct. I keep trying to stay away from this thread but, can't help but defend myself when someone attacks me and thinks they "know" me by a few posts. Wow. Okay...I am REALLY done with this thread now, lol. I do not like to be at odds with other Christians, I just assume pray for them and pass by their posts.

 

[Laish]

Reformed folks have a twisted view of the scriptures, perhaps through no fault of their own...it was simply predestinated that they wouldn't understand what the Bible teaches...

That’s fine I won’t bother you anymore.
Blessings
Bill