Calvinism is a Cult

[friend of]

Law cannot save and obedience only meant temporal rewards or loss for disobedience. It was about national survival not salvation.

And that's not even the point. God was calling all of them (referring to Psalm 95:11) to repentance. If Irresistible Grace were true, they would not have resisted God in the wilderness. Yet they did.

That is all.

 

[Dave L]

And that's not even the point. God was calling all of them (referring to Psalm 95:11) to repentance. If Irresistible Grace were true, they would not have resisted God in the wilderness. Yet they did.

That is all.

Repentance was obedience to the law that could not save. Repentance = not going into exile. Or not being killed. Or receiving material blessings etc.

 

[SovereignGrace]

And that's not even the point. God was calling all of them (referring to Psalm 95:11) to repentance. If Irresistible Grace were true, they would not have resisted God in the wilderness. Yet they did.

That is all.

Irresistible grace teaches that His ppl will not resist all the way to destruction. All resist Him to a certain point, even true converts do. But they eventually bend their will to His. That’s what irresistible grace teaches my friend.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD.[Proverbs 17:15]

If God commanded innocent ppl to be put to death, He has violated His own word, my Sister. If He does this, then He can not be trusted. However, if God commands even babies to be put to death, they are not innocent in His sight.

Our view of babies and God’s view are millions of miles apart.

God has never promised that He would not send innocent people to die. What about the estimated 70,000,000 Christian martyrs from the 2,000 year history of the Church? Were they not righteous?

BTW, how does Proverbs 17:15 square with the Calvinist notion of Total Depravity, anyway?

 

[SovereignGrace]

God has the advantage of seeing the End from the Beginning. You, I and other mortal beings do not possess this ability--we have no right to take innocent life, but God obviously does. He sent His wholly innocent Son to be tortured to death.

Show me one place where it stated God has the right to take innocent life. You’re teetering on blasphemy here my Sister.

 

[SovereignGrace]

God has never promised that He would not send innocent people to die. What about the estimated 70,000,000 Christian martyrs from the 2,000 year history of the Church? Were they not righeous?

BTW, how does Proverbs 17:15 square with the Calvinist notion of Total Depravity, anyway?

We’re still not innocent. Even though we’re saved, we’re still not innocent. The flesh has not been saved and still has sin permeating through it. That’s why even believers die.

 

[SovereignGrace]

God has never promised that He would not send innocent people to die. What about the estimated 70,000,000 Christian martyrs from the 2,000 year history of the Church? Were they not righeous?

BTW, how does Proverbs 17:15 square with the Calvinist notion of Total Depravity, anyway?

We are to deal rightly with ppl. This is not a total depravity issue. It does not teach that the lost are as wicked as they can be(though it seems many have gotten that far), but that their mind, soul, body, and will are bound in sin and Satan.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Irresistible grace teaches that His ppl will not resist all the way to destruction. All resist Him to a certain point, even true converts do. But they eventually bend their will to His. That’s what irresistible grace teaches my friend.

I would like to see one of them concede that they have an errant view of irresistible grace. That would be a start.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

If literal babies are to be there, then their bodies will be raised as babies. Then the elderly will be raised with old, decrepit bodies as well.

Those who are resurrected will have totally NEW bodies. No death or disease, obviously because the Bible says "no more sorrow or pain." How old is a soul? How old is a spirit?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Those who are resurrected will have totally NEW bodies. No death or disease, obviously because the Bible says "no more sorrow or pain." How old is a soul? How old is a spirit?

That’s my point. So, babies will not be raised as babies. Old men and women will not be raised with their old decrepit bodies, either. So, it appears to me, we see babies as cute little bundles of joy, and they are, but God sees them differently.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Those who are resurrected will have totally NEW bodies. No death or disease, obviously because the Bible says "no more sorrow or pain." How old is a soul? How old is a spirit?

I am still waiting on you to show me where God has the right to take innocent lives.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I do not know as I have not been there--have you? One tends to think so.

Who’s running the nursery? Who’s feeding them and changing their diapers?

How can they proclaim the Christ as “King of kings and Lord of Lords” if they’re babies there?

 

[friend of]

Repentance was obedience to the law that could not save. Repentance = not going into exile. Or not being killed. Or receiving material blessings etc.

When Paul references this Psalm in Hebrews 3:11 he is certainly not speaking about temporal rest, but eternal rest.

 

[friend of]

Irresistible grace teaches that His ppl will not resist all the way to destruction

He was calling all of them to repent and to stop resisting. His will here was to draw all of them to Himself. Yet most of them were not drawn. Therefore, if Irresistible Grace is the mechanism by which God draws people, it is a contradiction in terms in view of said passage.

 

[friend of]

Anyway I'm done. Take care.

PSA: Not every Christian has to be a Calvinist.

 

[Dave L]

When Paul references this Psalm in Hebrews 3:11 he is certainly not speaking about temporal rest, but eternal rest.

Psalms addresses both the believers and unbelievers.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

He was calling all of them to repent and to stop resisting. His will here was to draw all of them to Himself. Yet most of them were not drawn. Therefore, if Irresistible Grace is the mechanism by which God draws people, it is a contradiction in terms in view of said passage.

Wrong, you don't understand it yet.

Still waiting for you to deal with the texts given you. Several here deal with yours, including me. Reciprocate the courtesy.

 

[Mjh29]

we have no right to take innocent life, but God obviously does.

Then why do you seem to have a problem saying that God rescues some and leaves others in their sins? If, according to you, God has the right to take the life of the righteous, how much more does He have the right to leave the wicked in their wicked ways?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Then why do you seem to have a problem saying that God rescues some and leaves others in their sins? If, according to you, God has the right to take the life of the righteous, how much more does He have the right to leave the wicked in their wicked ways?

And we have a winner! You've shown the inconsistency of her logic and her theology. Now, I hope to see a "Wait, you know what, I'm incorrect."

 

[SovereignGrace]

Then why do you seem to have a problem saying that God rescues some and leaves others in their sins? If, according to you, God has the right to take the life of the righteous, how much more does He have the right to leave the wicked in their wicked ways?