Christ vs the anti-Christ: Who is winning?

[Marymog]

IS Christ a sinner?? you may follow your sinners but those in Christ only follow Christ who has no sin,

Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

No, Christ is not a sinner and he is not FULLY man. Glad I could answer your question and help you.....

You, a sinner, follow what you teach. I follow the teachings of other men who belong to The Church.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Our eternal life is based around us knowing God. You+Him getting together, getting to know each other, and following Him.

Nope, that passage says NOTHING about A proper Christian life is about that person getting on their knees and having a relationship with GOD. As a matter of FACT there is nothing in that entire Chapter of John 17 that says ANYTHING about getting on your knees and having a relationship with God.

Instead of wasting our time on you misquoting the bible in our bible study let me help you out. Scripture doesn't say what you think it says sooooo stop looking.

I would like to become your teacher. The one you have is failing you.

Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Nope, that passage says NOTHING about A proper Christian life is about that person getting on their knees and having a relationship with GOD. As a matter of FACT there is nothing in that entire Chapter of John 17 that says ANYTHING about getting on your knees and having a relationship with God.

Instead of wasting our time on you misquoting the bible in our bible study let me help you out. Scripture doesn't say what you think it says sooooo stop looking.

I would like to become your teacher. The one you have is failing you.

Mary

I'm sorry, but I got to be blunt here:
Mary: you do not belong on the throne of God.

 

[mjrhealth]

No, Christ is not a sinner and he is not FULLY man. Glad I could answer your question and help you.....

You, a sinner, follow what you teach. I follow the teachings of other men who belong to The Church.

Mary

You are a catholic and you belong to the catholic church, just as the SDA belong to the SDA church and the mormans the morman church, Christians belong to Christ, they belong to no man made religion, this bit

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

and that is why catholics will always sound like catholics and not Christ as is teh same for every other religion on this earth.

 

[Marymog]

I'm sorry, but I got to be blunt here:
Mary: you do not belong on the throne of God.

Hi Jane,

Finally we agree on something.

I do not belong on the throne of God.

Only God belongs on the throne of God......That is why it is called "The Throne of God".

BTW....Since we are playing "Captain Obvious" here......you don't belong on The Throne of England....it's already taken....

Mary

 

[Marymog]

You are a catholic and you belong to the catholic church, just as the SDA belong to the SDA church and the mormans the morman church, Christians belong to Christ, they belong to no man made religion, this bit

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

and that is why catholics will always sound like catholics and not Christ as is teh same for every other religion on this earth.

Soooo where do you fall in all this since you belong to you?

Curious Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Hi Jane,

Finally we agree on something.

I do not belong on the throne of God.

Only God belongs on the throne of God......That is why it is called "The Throne of God".

BTW....Since we are playing "Captain Obvious" here......you don't belong on The Throne of England....it's already taken....

Mary

Mary: when YOU offer to be "my teacher", that is you saying "come worship me".
NOOOOOOO!!!!!
NEVER FOR ANY PERSON!!
It SUCH a horrible downright satanic thing for any human to suggest.
Stop trying to take the throne of God and instead get on your knees to worship Him.

 

[Marymog]

Mary: when YOU offer to be "my teacher", that is you saying "come worship me".
NOOOOOOO!!!!!
NEVER FOR ANY PERSON!!
It SUCH a horrible downright satanic thing for any human to suggest.
Stop trying to take the throne of God and instead get on your knees to worship Him.

Satanic??? Wow.....

Back to the OP: Christ vs the anti-Christ: Who is winning?

Patient Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I'm sorry, but I still need to be blunt here--

Satanic??? Wow.....

Yes, someone that tries to seize the throne of God.

Back to the OP: Christ vs the anti-Christ: Who is winning?

You're actively advocating worshipping and following sinners.

 

[mjrhealth]

Soooo where do you fall in all this since you belong to you?

Curious Mary

Now Mary you are just being plain stupid and arrogant. Thats what you get for joining yourself to a religion, you catch its diseases like when a man sleeps with a whore and becomes joined to her.

Christians belong to Christ they belong to no man, just like it says,

Joh_10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

if you would rather your religion and your idols and your god, the pope that is your problem.

 

[amadeus]

No offence Amadeus but what's the point? Just showing you are absolutely ignorant of the subject matter, of Mormonism, or why or what was being debated by interjecting the completely nonsensical- useless question , and using a scripture & a situation that has Nothing in common with what was being discussed-- Whatsoever.

But you are not discussing! A discussion requires more than one declared point of view. Then again truth is not encountered in the things of God by the logic of men...in the discussions of men.

In any case you are pursuing not one Mormon person here but supposedly the Mormon church itself while aiming at only one person! Is that not nonsense? The battle could not be won this way even if you were correct. If one person could make that difference why would you presume that she, @Jane_Doe22 would be that one person?

The truth is to be found here:

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

But if a person continuously quenches the Holy Ghost, he will never encounter the Truth.

 

[brakelite]

Glad you brought that up. Your belief that the CC has not admitted it as being a forgery is easily debunked:

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Donation of Constantine

Donation of Constantine

Next subject please.

Historical Mary

No. not over yet. While I stand corrected over the "admittance" part, when will the pope thus relinquish his claim to headship over all Christendom based as it is on a fraud? And what of any recompense to those affected by the theft vast treasures and lands that were claimed on the basis of that document?

 

[brakelite]

We are talking doctrine or dogma not "relationships".

Nice try. The RCC dogmatically claims the power of the state, the secular sword, as being under her authority. The amalgamation of church and state IS doctrinal and is dogmatically cleaved to by Rome. You cannot divide 'relationships' from doctrine when it is doctrine that established the relationship to begin with. And that relationship is between a whore church committing adultery with secular kings and queens and is typically Pagan in nature and is a direct requisition from those pagan empires that preceded Papal Rome...Babylon, meda-Persia, Greece, and Rome...all pagan church/state unions that allowed their priests to rule over and influence the state...except Rome, through the Jesuits, have inveigled themselves into states and governments secretly through secret societies and assassinations and political connivings that usurp the rightful elected officials in ways far exceeding that of her predecessors.
Which is why she is called Babylon the Great. Mother to all her harlot apostate Protestant daughters. And why God calls for His people to come out of her so that they do not become entangled in her sins, and made drunk through imbibing the putrid doctrinal wine that does nothing for anyone except make them mad.

 

[brakelite]

I'm going to respectfully disagree based on the following points:
1) The Bible he's holding in the first place is not defined sola Biblia, but rather by tradition.
2) Assuming he's a decent scholar, his studies including the historical and cultural context for which things were written.
3) Assuming he's a decent Christian, his studies also include prayer and listening to the Holy Ghost.
4) He's also being influenced by other scholars and their perspectives, even if he's not citing them.
5) He's bring his own outside perspective into things.
6) Whenever there is a is a conflict of interoperation, it is resolved via one of the above.
It's not a bad thing to include these! It would be downright irresponsible not too!

Of course it is true that teachers, prophets, pastors etc all have a part to play in our understanding of scripture...however, we must only listen to those who themselves place scripture as the foundation for faith and practice. The Bible still remains the constant...even when it is a prophet expounding on it. The moment that person teaches something contrary to sound doctrine...contrary to the word of God...contrary to the principles and ethics which the scriptures teach, then we have a problem.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Of course it is true that teachers, prophets, pastors etc all have a part to play in our understanding of scripture...however, we must only listen to those who themselves place scripture as the foundation for faith and practice. The Bible still remains the constant...even when it is a prophet expounding on it. The moment that person teaches something contrary to sound doctrine...contrary to the word of God...contrary to the principles and ethics which the scriptures teach, then we have a problem.

Agreed there. But such a person is still not sola Biblia.

 

[brakelite]

Agreed there. But such a person is still not sola Biblia.

He is so long as he is upholding the Bible as his authority, as opposed to those teaching it.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

He is so long as he is upholding the Bible as his authority, as opposed to those teaching it.

But it is not his ONLY authority. He is not sola Biblia.

 

[brakelite]

But it is not his ONLY authority. He is not sola Biblia.

Yes it is. It is his rock. His foundation. He has nothing without it. The word of God is the creative power that converts the soul. It is the power of God to sanctify. When Jesus (the Word) said without Me ye can do nothing, He meant it. I am not saying that the Bible is Jesus. I am saying that the Bible was inspired, both old and new testaments, by the Spirit of Jesus. And it is the Spirit that gives power to His word. "My word shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that for which I have sent it".
If you have another authority apart from the word of God you are playing with fire and putting your eternal destiny in the hands of someone other than your Creator.

 

[mjrhealth]

If you have another authority apart from the word of God you are playing with fire and putting your eternal destiny in the hands of someone other than your Creator.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1Jn 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

The Holy Spirit is always the final authority,

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

And only authority, we see what putting the bible as the authority has done?? How man religions do we have all based on there own interpretation of the bible...

 

[brakelite]

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1Jn 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

The Holy Spirit is always the final authority,

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

And only authority, we see what putting the bible as the authority has done?? How man religions do we have all based on there own interpretation of the bible...

KJV John 16
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Without the holy Spirit we cannot understand the scriptures. But the holy Spirit will never contradict scripture. Diversity of belief is not fault of the word of God. Why thriow out that which is consistent in what it teaches. You are correct that man comes to the scriptures and goes away believing different things, but don't blame the scriptures. It is man who is in the wrong, because he didn't trust the holy Spirit but attempted to understand with his own wisdom. Lay the blame on man, not on scripture.