Hermeneutics vs. "Herd-meneutics"

[prism]

You cannot support your "Dispensationalist futurism" with direct quotes from scripture. It is all false prophecy and you are a false prophet for promoting it.

I'm sorry to pop your 'rabid hatred party' against those who have other eschatological views other than your own,but I'll have to just put you on ignore, since your attitude has a tough time rising above that of a 3rd grader.

 

[Phoneman777]

So you're saying God lie. That the smallest iota of his word meaning will not endure until all is fulfilled.

God's word was preserved throughout the ages by people I'm sure you have no idea existed which hid themselves in the remote places while the papacy reigned.

We know for sure the Catholics altered the Textus Receptus and KJV.

Where are you getting this rubbish? If Rome succeeded in doing that, why was the Textus Receptus placed on the Vatican list of banned books and why is it that Rome is today perfectly happy with us reading translations based on the Critical Text, but not the Textus Receptus?

The Jesuits had this to say about the Bible of the Reformation (the Textus Receptus being among the standard for it):

"Then the Bible, that serpent which, with its head erect and eyes flashing as it trails along the ground, shall be changed into a rod as soon as we are able to seize it. For three centuries past, this cruel asp has left us no repose. You well know with what folds it entwines us and with what fangs it gnaws us."

Do you know how they were able to seize it? By the introduction of their champion the Critical Text as a challenger to the Textus Receptus.

Check out "A Lamp In The Dark" about the real history of the Bible.

 

[CoreIssue]

This is not so. Give one direct scripture stating any of the following. There will be a 7 year tribulation. There will be a pre-trib rapture. There will be a restored Roman Empire. There will be a return to animal sacrifices. Russia will march on Israel.... Even one topic will do.

 

[CoreIssue]

The idea of the future being revealed through symbolism is not only possible, but just so happens to be the case with Revelation.

And interprets the symbolism in your thinking?

 

[CoreIssue]

God's word was preserved throughout the ages by people I'm sure you have no idea existed which hid themselves in the remote places while the papacy reigned.
Where are you getting this rubbish? If Rome succeeded in doing that, why was the Textus Receptus placed on the Vatican list of banned books and why is it that Rome is today perfectly happy with us reading translations based on the Critical Text, but not the Textus Receptus?

The Jesuits had this to say about the Bible of the Reformation (the Textus Receptus being among the standard for it):

"Then the Bible, that serpent which, with its head erect and eyes flashing as it trails along the ground, shall be changed into a rod as soon as we are able to seize it. For three centuries past, this cruel asp has left us no repose. You well know with what folds it entwines us and with what fangs it gnaws us."

Do you know how they were able to seize it? By the introduction of their champion the Critical Text as a challenger to the Textus Receptus.

Check out "A Lamp In The Dark" about the real history of the Bible.

The problem what you're saying is the manuscripts I have referenced preexistent Catholicism.

So obviously you don't know what you're talking about.

Receptus was written by a Catholic in the early 1500s. Again you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Phoneman777]

And interprets the symbolism in your thinking?

What are yo asking?

 

[Phoneman777]

The problem what you're saying is the manuscripts I have referenced preexistent Catholicism.

So obviously you don't know what you're talking about.

Receptus was written by a Catholic in the early 1500s. Again you don't know what you're talking about.

So what? All of the Reformers were Catholic. So that means the Reformation didn't happen, right? It is you who haven't a clue about history. Please put down your papal propaganda and watch this documentary to get the other side of the story, for even Solomon said the first guy to speak always seems right until another comes along and gives the other side of the story:

 

[CoreIssue]

So what? All of the Reformers were Catholic. So that means the Reformation didn't happen, right? It is you who haven't a clue about history. Please put down your papal propaganda and watch this documentary to get the other side of the story, for even Solomon said the first guy to speak always seems right until another comes along and gives the other side of the story:

The Bible predates the Reformation and Catholicism for centuries.

The letters were being circulated among the churches.

Bound are not bound they are no less scriptures.

 

[Phoneman777]

The Bible predates the Reformation and Catholicism for centuries.

The letters were being circulated among the churches.

Bound are not bound they are no less scriptures.

Agreed. The uncorrupted MSS of the Palestine region along with the faithfully preserved copies of God's Word by the Waldenses and others which fulfilled the prophecy of the church as the "woman fled into the wilderness" are what eventually exposed the false Western Family MSS of Rome and the false Alexandrian Family as the corrupted MSS that they are.

 

[CoreIssue]

Agreed. The uncorrupted MSS of the Palestine region along with the faithfully preserved copies of God's Word by the Waldenses and others which fulfilled the prophecy of the church as the "woman fled into the wilderness" are what eventually exposed the false Western Family MSS of Rome and the false Alexandrian Family as the corrupted MSS that they are.

You are still appealing to the Textus Receptus and documents printed on printing presses under Catholic control.

And again those documents from the 1500s postdate the early manuscripts handwritten before the existence of the printing press or Catholic church.

 

[Phoneman777]

You are still appealing to the Textus Receptus and documents printed on printing presses under Catholic control.

And again those documents from the 1500s postdate the early manuscripts handwritten before the existence of the printing press or Catholic church.

Catholic control? Forgive me, but do you not realize how stupid that argument is?

It is precisely by man's DISREGARD OF CATHOLIC CONTROL that Bibles got printed up in extra-Latin translations in the first place!

Forgive me, but I keep forgetting that most people are limited in their understanding of church history by having been taught only versions of it that are sympathetic to Rome.

 

[Dave L]

I'm sorry to pop your 'rabid hatred party' against those who have other eschatological views other than your own,but I'll have to just put you on ignore, since your attitude has a tough time rising above that of a 3rd grader.

If you had only one scripture to support your Dispensationalist claims, you would not need to ignore me. But I welcome your decision.

 

[marks]

The idea of the future being revealed through symbolism is not only possible, but just so happens to be the case with Revelation.

I'm just talking about the word.

I'm not saying symbols are impossible, or aren't used. I'm talking about the meaning or the word translated "signified". It does not mean to encode in symbols, rather the opposite.

Much love!
Mark

 

[Phoneman777]

I'm just talking about the word.

I'm not saying symbols are impossible, or aren't used. I'm talking about the meaning or the word translated "signified". It does not mean to encode in symbols, rather the opposite.

Much love!
Mark

To "signify" a thing is to express in signs or symbolism that thing. For instance, a "signature" is a sign or symbol for the person to whom it belongs. So, when Jesus says He sent and "signified" the revelation, it means the revelation is given in symbolism.

 

[marks]

To "signify" a thing is to express in signs or symbolism that thing. For instance, a "signature" is a sign or symbol for the person to whom it belongs. So, when Jesus says He sent and "signified" the revelation, it means the revelation is given in symbolism.

I'm simply saying how the word is used in Scripture.

Much love!

 

[Phoneman777]

I'm simply saying how the word is used in Scripture.

Much love!

Got it. And I'm simply stating that Daniel, Revelation, and other end time prophecy passages like that which is found in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the Man of Sin are given in symbolism, which the other parts of the Bible interpret.

 

[marks]

Got it. And I'm simply stating that Daniel, Revelation, and other end time prophecy passages like that which is found in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the Man of Sin are given in symbolism, which the other parts of the Bible interpret.

Understood.

Much love!
mark

 

[Phoneman777]

The Bible predates the Reformation and Catholicism for centuries.

The letters were being circulated among the churches.

Bound are not bound they are no less scriptures.

And you believe that God preserved in secret the truth of His Word from the close of apostolic times all the way down to the mid-19th century when He handed it over to the papacy for its "discovery" by so called "Protestant" RINO scholars (Reformers In Name Only)...not by a longshot.

 

[Phoneman777]

Understood.

Much love!
mark

BTW, your avatar pic looks unbelievably peaceful.

 

[Jay Ross]

BTW, your avatar pic looks unbelievably peaceful.

That is because there is no sound attached. I would think that if it were raining that it would roar and be frightening in its power..