Easter ? What are we celebrating?

[justbyfaith]

I have more experience and you do and my growth in Christ increased when I switched to the NIV.

You only think you grew in Christ. What really happened is that you accepted Universalism as a doctrine, as well as the concept completely contrary to that, that everyone in the Universe will be condemned; for these things are what the NIV teaches in different places. (At least, these are the impressions that I have gotten when reading certain passages in the NIV). The difference in the rendering of Ephesians 4:6 is only one case in point.

 

[Taken]

rolling eggs, buying bunnies, and participating in fertility rites?

Personally, I like eggs, bunnies, and what are fertility rites?

ok, go with that, but you will be required to explain why Passover was not good enough ok,

No, I do not have to explain something I never said was not good enough.

the Word that got changed in your Bible?

Passover appears over 90 times in my Bible.

That anyone can verify in like one minute? 'Member?

And?

 

[Truth]

Christ knows your heart,teach the true meaning of both, and not the pagan ones.

Yes Indeed He knows your Heart! If God declared something to be an Abomination ? and we are observing a Tradition derived from a form of Pagan Worship, what does that say about the depth of one's Heart! Are we truly sold out to the Savior, or are we just keeping Tradition for Tradition's Sake!!
Jeremiah 16: 19
O Lord my strength and my fortress,
My refuge in the day of affliction
The gentiles shall come to You From the ends of the Earth, and Say
"Surly our Fathers have Inherited Lies. Worthlessness and unprofitable [things]"
Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?
One should be careful of the Tradition's we observe!

 

[marks]

Easter in the King James was not a translation error. It was a deliberate replacement of the word.

Passover celebrated death passing over Israel. Easter celebrates Christ's resurrection from death.

Easter didn't exist at the time of the apostles.

That is not a translation error, that is the Catholic doctrine insert that changes the very meaning of the verse.

Absolutely! No, I completely agree. I just said it was a poor translation, but yes, I believe the way the poor translation came about is that they picked a word that would support what the State Church wanted. Like they did in a few other places. Very unfortunate!

Much love!
Mark

 

[marks]

Yes, seriously...because there are certain changes made to watered-down translations that make the way in less narrow...and therefore a person is much more likely to enter in through the broad path if they adhere to a watered-down translation.

If you stick to the kjv, you can be certain that you are entering in through the narrow path. Consider the following:

Mat 7:13, Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14, Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Jer 29:13, And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Deu 4:29, But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

That's works, not faith.

Faith is believing in Jesus for salvation. What we do after that is for reward.

It seems that there are few that rest in faith.

Much love!
mark

 

[CoreIssue]

The kjv...in 2 Timothy 3:16.

Where does it say KJV in that verse?

In your logic is the NWT also Bible?

 

[CoreIssue]

They have no bearing on our salvation, if our hearts are not given over to idolatry in the first place. If you had a problem with worshiping Ishtar before becoming a Christian, then don't celebrate Easter. But if, in your heart, the holiday is completely about the resurrection of Jesus Christ, eating a chocolate bunny on that day does nothing to corrupt your heart unless you equate doing so to actual pagan worship. Iow, if you eat that chocolate bunny as an act of worship to a pagan god, then you have crossed the line. But if you are just eating a snack because it is more available on that day, God looks on your heart and does not condemn you for what you are doing outwardly. It is what is going on in your heart that matters the most.

But I think that the principle in 1 Corinthians 8, 1 Corinthians 10:23-33, Romans 14 also applies. Which is to say this: Even though I would not be sinning by eating a chocolate bunny on Easter, I will not eat a chocolate bunny on Easter if I find that it goes against the conscience of my brother or sister. For why is my liberty judged by another person's conscience? "The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof"

I do not want to embolden my brother or sister to do something that goes against their conscience. Through my knowledge (that an idol is nothing in the world) shall my weaker brother perish for whom Christ died? God forbid. In so sinning against the brethren, by wounding their weak conscience, I would be sinning against Christ. Therefore if what I eat makes my brother to offend, I will not eat a chocolate bunny while the world stands.

However, it is also true, that blessed is the man who does not condemn himself in the thing that he allows.

Because it is primarily a heart issue.

Then explain apostasy in church today.

 

[CoreIssue]

Your point?

It isn't the 1611 KJV that you brag about. Nor is it modern English.

 

[CoreIssue]

You only think you grew in Christ. What really happened is that you accepted Universalism as a doctrine, as well as the concept completely contrary to that, that everyone in the Universe will be condemned; for these things are what the NIV teaches in different places. (At least, these are the impressions that I have gotten when reading certain passages in the NIV). The difference in the rendering of Ephesians 4:6 is only one case in point.

So your Calvinism reveals itself.

 

[Taken]

Passover was/is for the Jews.
It was a Gift to the Jews, for the Jews, and for them to keep in Remembrance.

Jesus died and arose during a time Jews were preparing and celebrating and remembering their Passover.

The first followers of Christ, WERE Jews.
They Remembered their Passover AND Believed in their Lord's death and resurrection.

The Lord DID NOT instruct anyone to REMEMBER A DAY of His Death or A DAY of His resurrection.

The Lord DID instruct Believers to REMEMBER "HIM".

Typical Saved and Born Again men Remember the Lord, His Death, His Resurrection, ON a mutual DAY, while such individuals are not "gathered together" in ONE place, are Spiritually "gathered together" in ONE Conversion and Remembering their Lord God, together in ONE celebration of His Death and Resurrection.

The Term EASTER has numerous meanings, and origins from over the course of history.

Gentiles Saved and Born again Converted men have landed on the term EASTER as a particular DAY, "they" remember and celebrate their Lords resurrection.

Their celebration has Nothing to do with the meaning of the Gift of the Lords Passover of Death, during the Jews Bondage in Egypt.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

In your logic is the NWT also Bible?

Absolutely not.

It isn't the 1611 KJV that you brag about. Nor is it modern English.

So?

So your Calvinism reveals itself.

The only tenet of Calvinism that I believe in is the P in TULIP. And even with that, it is not OSAS but POTS that I adhere to.

 

[justbyfaith]

That's works, not faith.

It's scripture; let the chips fall where they may doctrinally.

Heb 4:9, There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10, For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11, Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[marks]

The only tenet of Calvinism that I believe in is the P in TULIP. And even with that, it is not OSAS but POTS that I adhere to.

That's a good distinction!

Much love!

 

[CoreIssue]

Absolutely not.



So?



The only tenet of Calvinism that I believe in is the P in TULIP. And even with that, it is not OSAS but POTS that I adhere to.

So Saints have to work for salvation.

Total justification doesn't exist. Therefore you keep nailing Christ across over and over every time you sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

So Saints have to work for salvation.

Total justification doesn't exist. Therefore you keep nailing Christ across over and over every time you sin.

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion...

We are kept by the power of God through faith, 1 Peter 1:5.

 

[CoreIssue]

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion...

We are kept by the power of God through faith, 1 Peter 1:5.

Then you should have no problem with OSAS since the premise is we are saved by faith in the grace of Christ that will change us so we never want to leave.

But when you believe one can leave salvation it does become a work because it requires constant monitoring and work to maintain it.

 

[justbyfaith]

Then you should have no problem with OSAS since the premise is we are saved by faith in the grace of Christ that will change us so we never want to leave.

But when you believe one can leave salvation it does become a work because it requires constant monitoring and work to maintain it.

I do believe that the Lord promises that if we do His will we will abide for ever...and that if we abide in Him we will not sin. (1 John 2:17, 1 John 3:6).

As for whether that takes work or effort, I think is something that we learn by experience once we come to the place of walking in consistent grace.

There is a sense in which we are tried by fire and in which we must resist temptation. Is this work?

When heat is applied to the metal, is the metal "working" when the impurities rise to the top, and/or is it "working" when the metal holds to its nature and no impurities rise to the top, but it shows itself to be a pure metal?

Is a branch in a vine "working" when it begins to bear fruit?

Now the problem that I have with OSAS is the concept that a person can raise their hand in church or at a Crusade and then go and live like hell for the rest of their lives; but OSAS doctrine would tell them that they were saved and that it doesn't matter how well they live after that.

In the POTS that I hold to, the emphasis is on the word "saints". If a man is born again, he begins to live a holy life consistent with the fact that he is now a saint. He will persevere in that holiness because he has been sealed by the Holy Spirit and the Spirit is an influence on his behaviour from the point of conversion forward.

 

[CoreIssue]

I do believe that the Lord promises that if we do His will we will abide for ever...and that if we abide in Him we will not sin. (1 John 2:17, 1 John 3:6).

As for whether that takes work or effort, I think is something that we learn by experience once we come to the place of walking in consistent grace.

There is a sense in which we are tried by fire and in which we must resist temptation. Is this work?

When heat is applied to the metal, is the metal working when the impurities rise to the top, and/or is it working when the metal holds to its nature and no impurities rise to the top, but it shows itself to be a pure metal?

Is a branch in a vine working when it begins to bear fruit?

Now the problem that I have with OSAS is the concept that a person can raise their hand in church or at a Crusade and then go and live like hell for the rest of their lives; but OSAS doctrine would tell them that they were saved and that it doesn't matter how well they live after that.

In the POTS that I hold to, the emphasis is on the word "saints". If a man is born again, he begins to live a holy life consistent with the fact that he is now a saint. He will persevere in that holiness because he has been sealed by the Holy Spirit and the Spirit is an influence on his behaviour from the point of conversion forward.

Your problem is Bible says salvation is not by works.

First of all, where did you get the idea must occur at a gathering?

Second, where did you get the idea when one is saved they just keep on living a carnal life? If one those that they were never saved. With a new mind, new heart and cleanse spirit how could they.

Per Romans 8 God knows who love and he predestined them all the way to glorification. Nothing in the universe can take them from his hand.

This nonsense does not include the person themselves stupid. The person is part of the universe. There is no exception clause.

Also those who believe in conditional salvation usually always say that applies to someone else, not them. So they are practicing OSAS.

The fruit of being born again is good works. Not by law but by desire.

 

[justbyfaith]

Second, where did you get the idea when one is saved they just keep on living a carnal life? If one those that they were never saved. With a new mind, new heart and cleanse spirit how could they.

OSAS gives such people (those who keep on living a carnal life, but who think they are saved) a false assurance.

I think that we are both in agreement that if someone lives a carnal life after making a profession, they are not really saved.

However, OSAS might tell them that they are indeed saved and that they can continue to live a carnal life and still be saved.

 

[justbyfaith]

That salvation is not of works does not mean that everyone who is truly born again will not be obedient.

Rom 6:16, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 6:16, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 6:16, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?