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Lady Crosstalk

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Here is the thing. You don't get to define what I label myself as. I do.

It is my label for you. You can call yourself Pope Francis, if you like, and I will still call you an agnostic.

What if out of my ignorance of what a Mormon and a christian are I labeled you a Mormon. That is what you did here to me. Out of your ignorance between the difference between an agnostic and atheist you labeled me an agnostic when I label myself an atheist.
Does that change what you are? Who said that only you (and perhaps other atheists and agnostics) get to define what an atheist or agnostic is? I say an agnostic is someone who doesn't know whether or not He exists.

An agnostic doesn't think god can be knowable even if he exists.
No, you are confused--that would combine agnosticism with deism.

The definition of atheism is a person with a lack of god belief OR denies god exists. I am an atheist because I lack a belief in god. I don't deny that god exists or that we cannot know if god exists. I don't have sufficient evidence to believe that god does exist. So I am an atheist and not an agnostic. Please refer to me as such.
I will not likely be referring to you at all because discussions with broken records ("I don't have sufficient evidence-I don't have sufficient evidence-I don't have sufficient evidence...") are boring. If that's all you have, then I will assume that you are not seriously searching for any answers and are just here to annoy Christians. I do not choose to spend any more time on it.

I am familiar and it has been refuted.
It has not been "refuted." But then, you also believe in evolution. Bye.
 
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@Vince

It's like when Jesus fed the 5,000+ people with five loaves and two fishes, and the scribes and Pharisees not long afterward came to Jesus asking Him to show them a sign.

Jesus said that no sign would be given to them except the sign of Jonah. (They did not believe the evidence that was in front of them; so whatever sign there might be would simply be a non-sign to them because they do not want to believe).

Theologically, the sign of Jonah is signified by the fact that as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of man was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth...the sign of Jonah is signified by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

If that sign is not enough for you, then I believe that Jesus will leave you to die in your sins.
 
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There is more than one definition out but to be honest I don't care. I lump atheists and agnostics together.
Yes, but when someone like me specifically tells you what I believe and why I want to be called an atheist don't you just refer to them as they want to be? or do you want to come across as condescending for no reason?
 

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You've been given evidence by a number of people and always offer an excuse to reject.
Yes because the evidence is not adequate. I have evidence that big foot exists, I have testimonies of people that have seen him, I have pictures of him, videos of him that I can show you. Do you believe big foot exists? Probably not, because it is not credible evidence.
 

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It is my label for you. You can call yourself Pope Francis, if you like, and I will still call you an agnostic.
Even when my beliefs do not line up with the definition of an agnostic?

Ok, my label for you is a Calvinist.

Does that change what you are? Who said that only you (and perhaps other atheists and agnostics) get to define what an atheist or agnostic is? I say an agnostic is someone who doesn't know whether or not He exists.
I am only going by what the definition in a dictionary says they are. I posted them. I am using them correctly you are using them as you wish not as they are usually defined.

No, you are confused--that would combine agnosticism with deism.
Nope. Deists believe god exists, agnostics don't think that we can ever know if god exists.

I will not likely be referring to you at all because discussions with broken records ("I don't have sufficient evidence-I don't have sufficient evidence-I don't have sufficient evidence...") are boring. If that's all you have, then I will assume that you are not seriously searching for any answers and are just here to annoy Christians. I do not choose to spend any more time on it.
You are assuming that there has been sufficient evidence for belief presented. All the evidence I have seen presented can also be presented by other religions, so why is Christianity true rather than Islam?

It has not been "refuted." But then, you also believe in evolution. Bye.
I believe it is the best explanation of how life has changed, but I don't know if it is true or not. There are many arguments that rebut this "proof". Easily found if you want to read them.
 

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@Vince

It's like when Jesus fed the 5,000+ people with five loaves and two fishes, and the scribes and Pharisees not long afterward came to Jesus asking Him to show them a sign.

Jesus said that no sign would be given to them except the sign of Jonah. (They did not believe the evidence that was in front of them; so whatever sign there might be would simply be a non-sign to them because they do not want to believe).

Theologically, the sign of Jonah is signified by the fact that as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of man was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth...the sign of Jonah is signified by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

If that sign is not enough for you, then I believe that Jesus will leave you to die in your sins.
Where is the credible evidence that Jesus rose from the dead?
 

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Ok, my label for you is a Calvinist.

LOL--I am not a Calvinist and you labeling me as such doesn't make me one. But whatever floats your boat.

I am only going by what the definition in a dictionary says they are. I posted them. I am using them correctly you are using them as you wish not as they are usually defined.
So what? Are you going to get the "dictionary definition police" after me? Not sure why the agnostics decided to change their definition for themselves but there it is. I can understand why the atheists would want to change their definition as atheism purports to "know" there is no God and that is not an intellectually tenable position.

Nope. Deists believe god exists, agnostics don't think that we can ever know if god exists.
Then you wrote it in a misleading way. Deists do believe that even though they believe a Creator God exists that we cannot know Him. They are wrong. Jesus said, that if we have seen Him, we have seen the Father.

You are assuming that there has been sufficient evidence for belief presented. All the evidence I have seen presented can also be presented by other religions, so why is Christianity true rather than Islam?
Simple. Islam actually believes in Jesus and speaks of Him as a prophet--some Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet greater than Muhammad. When I witness to Muslims, I always ask the question, "If you believe that He is a prophet (pbuh) then why don't you believe Him?" They also believe that Jesus will return at the end of time. Christianity is the only faith which has a founder who returned from the dead, just as it was prophesied for centuries beforehand. There are so many prophecies which are fulfilled in His advent that I would find it difficult to not believe in Him.

I believe it is the best explanation of how life has changed, but I don't know if it is true or not.

The current definition of evolution as "change over time" is a triviality. The tough one is to get acceptance of the establishment of life in the first place, as a result of "blind chance".

As for the Kalam Cosmological Argument being "refuted"--all arguments on both sides have NO proof. It is an item of faith from both points of view. In any case, it doesn't really matter--you can move the argument from "the big bang" to the beginning of life here on this planet. Even the most ardent evolutionists believe that there was a beginning to life here.
 
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Yes, but when someone like me specifically tells you what I believe and why I want to be called an atheist don't you just refer to them as they want to be? or do you want to come across as condescending for no reason?

There are some people that claim to be aliens. Does that make them aliens?
 

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Yes because the evidence is not adequate. I have evidence that big foot exists, I have testimonies of people that have seen him, I have pictures of him, videos of him that I can show you. Do you believe big foot exists? Probably not, because it is not credible evidence.

A foolish argument in a bad effort by you.
 

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LOL--I am not a Calvinist and you labeling me as such doesn't make me one. But whatever floats your boat.
Labeling me an agnostic does not make me one either.

So what? Are you going to get the "dictionary definition police" after me? Not sure why the agnostics decided to change their definition for themselves but there it is. I can understand why the atheists would want to change their definition as atheism purports to "know" there is no God and that is not an intellectually tenable position.
I agree that to say knowing god does not exist is a claim that cannot be substantiated by evidence. That is why I do not say believe that. I have not changed my definition of atheism, the current dictionaries also allow for lack of belief and not just god doesn't exist.

Then you wrote it in a misleading way. Deists do believe that even though they believe a Creator God exists that we cannot know Him. They are wrong. Jesus said, that if we have seen Him, we have seen the Father.
Where have you seen Jesus?

Simple. Islam actually believes in Jesus and speaks of Him as a prophet--some Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet greater than Muhammad. When I witness to Muslims, I always ask the question, "If you believe that He is a prophet (pbuh) then why don't you believe Him?" They also believe that Jesus will return at the end of time. Christianity is the only faith which has a founder who returned from the dead, just as it was prophesied for centuries beforehand. There are so many prophecies which are fulfilled in His advent that I would find it difficult to not believe in Him.
You know all of this because of the bible. So what is the evidence that the bible is reliable in what it teaches?



The current definition of evolution as "change over time" is a triviality. The tough one is to get acceptance of the establishment of life in the first place, as a result of "blind chance".
We know life exists, we don't know how it started. Evolution says nothing about life's origins.

As for the Kalam Cosmological Argument being "refuted"--all arguments on both sides have NO proof. It is an item of faith from both points of view.In any case, it doesn't really matter--you can move the argument from "the big bang" to the beginning of life here on this planet. Even the most ardent evolutionists believe that there was a beginning to life here.
I agree life probably began on this planet somehow.
 

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There are some people that claim to be aliens. Does that make them aliens?
If the general acceptance of the word alien meant someone living on planet earth then yes. Since it does not then no. This is my point, you are ignorant of the definition of atheism and when I give you sources that define atheism you refuse to acknowledge your ignorance. Atheism is defined as a lack of belief (which I have) OR a belief that god does not exist (Which I do not believe).
 

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If the general acceptance of the word alien meant someone living on planet earth then yes. Since it does not then no. This is my point, you are ignorant of the definition of atheism and when I give you sources that define atheism you refuse to acknowledge your ignorance. Atheism is defined as a lack of belief (which I have) OR a belief that god does not exist (Which I do not believe).

Which definition of a atheist? The personal, secular, theological or legal?

I know them all.