The Issue of Calvinism.

[farouk]

The Ananias and Sapphira episode was a peculiar event and it seems not to have occurred elsewhere in the NT except for the immediate judgment on Herod in Acts 12:23. Perhaps both of those events were a foretaste of what life will be like in the Millennial Kingdom, when the Lord rules "with a rod of iron"? Isaiah does seem to indicate that very long life will return and that "only sinners will die that young" (at 100).

Interesting comparison there.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

The Ananias and Sapphira episode was a peculiar event and it seems not to have occurred elsewhere in the NT except for the immediate judgment on Herod in Acts 12:23. Perhaps both of those events were a foretaste of what life will be like in the Millennial Kingdom, when the Lord rules "with a rod of iron"? Isaiah does seem to indicate that very long life will return and that "only sinners will die that young" (at 100).

These two accounts from Acts 5,12, reflect the truth of prov29:1.
You think sometimes our posting is harsh, but I think in part is because we are exposed to sugar coated man centered teaching.
As a group I think we are seeking to be balanced and take in the whole counsel of God.
The God of Jn 3:16, is the same God who sent the flood.
Ps in first Cor11...many SLEEP who take the Lords supper in an unworthy manner

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Like Elijah mocked the prophets of Baal, when your group mocks and perverts the biblical God and those attempting to follow Him, and we expose it for what it is , we somehow are said to be rude and arrogant.
When you see what you post slightly reworded to show the roots of it, you react violently and say it is mockery. You should be offended by those who elevate fallen man to the throne.
Does that add some clarity for you?

We are NOT in Old Testament times. Jesus spoke of the sin of reviling.

I hardly "reacted violently" and it was much more than a "slight rewording" on your part.

 

[SovereignGrace]

These two accounts from Acts 5,12, reflect the truth of prov29:1.
You think sometimes our posting is harsh, but I think in part is because we are exposed to sugar coated man centered teaching.
As a group I think we are seeking to be balanced and take in the whole counsel of God.
The God of Jn 3:16, is the same God who sent the flood.

And the same God who will cast the lost headlong into an eternal hell.

 

[CoreIssue]

If you gave Calvinism a fair trial you would find it is true to the bible for the most part.

Just like you claim amillennialism is correct. And that the Bible's more figurative than literal.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

We are NOT in Old Testament times. Jesus spoke of the sin of reviling.

I hardly "reacted violently" and it was much more than a "slight rewording" on your part.

LC,
Have you ever had a friend who was honest enough to tell you face to face that what you said or did was way off, and you needed to clean up your act?
You perhaps bristled at it at first. But over time you realized your friend was actually helping you, but at first you did not see it that way? It's like that
The God of the bible is the same from Genesis to Revelation ....not any different.

 

[Dave L]

Just like you claim amillennialism is correct. And that the Bible's more figurative than literal.

Jesus is Amillennial. Find anything in his words depicting a physical kingdom in this world.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Jesus is Amillennial. Find anything in his words depicting a physical kingdom in this world.

Please Brothers and Sisters, lets stay on topic and not take this thread into eschatology. Thanks bunches.

 

[Dave L]

"There is now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

You might not be in Christ if you do not repent.

 

[CoreIssue]

Because:

1.) We are told to by Jesus. Period. That in and of itself should be enough for anyone.
2.) Because we do not know who are and are not the chosen of God. Just because there is a chosen people doe not mean we can say who is and who is not one of the chosen. Therefore, we go out and evangelize. You see, your premise is that if the power of Evangelism is not [as per everything else] in your hands, then it can't be effective. I put the power of Evangelism in God's hands, where it belongs.

So, you continue to ask, "Why even bother talking to people, hmmmmmm? If there is no free will, then all is pointless. Not so. Because although I do not have a free will, I have a God with a Sovereign will. Read Isaiah 6:8-13 . Isaiah is told to preach, but that God will harden the people hearts until they are all wiped out and there is nothing left. He is telling Isaiah what will happen, and yet telling him to preach anyways.

So, after re-re-re-re-re using that same question here is your answer you claim we could not give.

Jesus sent the apostles to spread the gospel and to convert people to Christ.

By your belief that is pointless since everyone is already predestined to be either follow Christ or go to hell.

It does not matter if you know or not know. It is already decided.

Claiming you have a free will but do not have a free will is a contradiction in terms. Either you do or you don't.

So if you miss someone who was supposed to be saved, God is wrong.

If you convince someone who is not supposed to be saved then God is wrong.

Your theology is completely full of holes.

 

[CoreIssue]

You might not be in Christ if you do not repent.

But by Calvinism God has already predestined that decision. Not up to you in any way.

 

[Dave L]

But by Calvinism God has already predestined that decision. Not up to you in any way.

We know of our salvation only by the fruits we bear.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

LC,
Have you ever had a friend who was honest enough to tell you face to face that what you said or did was way off, and you needed to clean up your act?
You perhaps bristled at it at first. But over time you realized your friend was actually helping you, but at first you did not see it that way? It's like that
The God of the bible is the same from Genesis to Revelation ....not any different.

I never said He was--Peter told us that God will eventually destroy the earth with fire. God makes the rules for us, we do not make them for Him.

I do expect my friends to tell me the truth, but I expect them to share the truth with "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control". I have been blessed with believing friends who do display the "fruits of the Spirit".

 

[CoreIssue]

We know of our salvation only by the fruits we bear.

Better check what happened to the white throne judgment. Many try your line of argument and then are cast into the lake.

 

[Dave L]

Better check what happened to the white throne judgment. Many try your line of argument and then are cast into the lake.

Have you checked your fruit lately?

 

[farouk]

Have you checked your fruit lately?

The fruit of the Spirit passage in Galatians is indeed searching.

 

[Mjh29]

Jesus sent the apostles to spread the gospel and to convert people to Christ.

By your belief that is pointless since everyone is already predestined to be either follow Christ or go to hell.

It does not matter if you know or not know. It is already decided.

Claiming you have a free will but do not have a free will is a contradiction in terms. Either you do or you don't.

So if you miss someone who was supposed to be saved, God is wrong.

If you convince someone who is not supposed to be saved then God is wrong.

Your theology is completely full of holes.

Me looking for a single verse to back up your wild claims.

 

[CoreIssue]

Have you checked your fruit lately?

I think they look better than yours.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Jesus is Amillennial. Find anything in his words depicting a physical kingdom in this world.

Jesus did not deny that a physical Kingdom is coming for Israel. When asked about it in Acts 1:6-7, He merely said that, "The Father determines those dates." (and then redirects their attention to the task at hand--telling the world about Him). If it was not a future reality, would He not have told them that a future Kingdom for Israel was now officially out of the plan? He told His disciples in John 14:2 that "there is more than enough room in my Father's home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?" The fact remains that there are OT prophecies about a future kingdom for Israel which have never been fulfilled (very detailed in the Book of Ezekiel). If they are not fulfilled eventually, it would overturn prophecy. God will not allow that to happen.

 

[farouk]

Jesus did not deny that a physical Kingdom is coming for Israel. When asked about it in Acts 1:6-7, He merely said that, "The Father determines those dates." (and then redirects their attention to the task at hand--telling the world about Him). If it was not a future reality, would He not have told them that a future Kingdom for Israel was now officially out of the plan? He told His disciples in John 14:2 that "there is more than enough room in my Father's home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?" The fact remains that there are OT prophecies about a future kingdom for Israel which have never been fulfilled (very detailed in the Book of Ezekiel). If they are not fulfilled eventually, it would overturn prophecy. God will not allow that to happen.

Certainly there are future prophecies which have not yet been fulfilled; and it seems that Israel and the church are very much distinct also.