Physician Assisted Suicide

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Mayflower

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Yes,but as Christians we have to make ethical choices , I think we need to ask such questions so that we can weigh things up x

Or at least learn to understand each other. God wants us to see everyone as He sees us in eyes of love. Sometimes these issues get all heated, hate becomes the sin rather then the belief on the issue. Because only God can judge. And under salvation, there is only Jesus' blood.
 
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Or at least learn to understand each other. God wants us to see everyone as He sees us in eyes of love. Sometimes these issues get all heated, hate becomes the sin rather then the belief on the issue. Because only God can judge. And under salvation, there is only Jesus' blood.
Yes, definately, a very common problem within many threads !!!!
 

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Now THIS is the fear. And when government can start deciding for someone.

Government, health insurance, a doctor who needs the bed one is in.
If Christian morality is not driving society anything is possible.

Note all the above already happen.
 
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The one in Heaven doesnt have to suffer like the ones left behind. Losing a parent, imo, is harder then any physical pain. Then again Ive never had to experience the type of pain my mother did.

I would have to say if she did die sooner it may have been easier to mourn knowing she went out peacefully. But ten years... God can use you a lot in ten years. And my mom surely touched a few where she lived.
Pain is moral as well as physical; I think this is part of the great lesson of Isaiah 53 and Gethsemane, above all in these passages from a Godward perspective relating to the work of Christ at the Cross.
 

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Or at least learn to understand each other. God wants us to see everyone as He sees us in eyes of love. Sometimes these issues get all heated, hate becomes the sin rather then the belief on the issue. Because only God can judge. And under salvation, there is only Jesus' blood.
Christians & in fact all people do not have to agree about every little thing in order to love one another and disagreement does not mean hostility or hate, it simply means-- disagreement. There's no need to get personal or take it personally, when discussing or debating. I have fond memories when young watching my father & his brothers & brother in laws get into very animated disagreements on politics & religion -- but none of them ever took these disagreements as personal affronts, though on some items there was passionate disagreements. They always ended them maturely & parted amicably. I used to tell my spouse jokingly when we were a new couple & got into conflicts - only one of us can loose our mind at a time--at least one needs to stay rational. This policy always worked for us & keeping a sense of humor close by! :p
 

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Christians & in fact all people do not have to agree about every little thing in order to love one another and disagreement does not mean hostility or hate, it simply means-- disagreement. There's no need to get personal or take it personally, when discussing or debating. I have fond memories when young watching my father & his brothers & brother in laws get into very animated disagreements on politics & religion -- but none of them ever took these disagreements as personal affronts, though on some items there was passionate disagreements. They always ended them maturely & parted amicably. I used to tell my spouse jokingly when we were a new couple & got into conflicts - only one of us can loose our mind at a time--at least one needs to stay rational. This policy always worked for us & keeping a sense of humor close by! :p

I have a good friend in lunch brunch who is Democratic. Sometimes we have discussions. It is amicable, but just to be safe she doesnt like to sit next to me when we start talking politics. She said her hands are mighty close to my throat. Lol. But yes. We have a good laugh. Now on here, I don't talk politics much. And all the different beliefs on here amaze me. I don't know if I was asleep to the fact or just didn't care to study anything different then what I was taught, but it has been quite an interesting experience. It has me asking some good questions, but I can't take the heat at times and have to stay away. Ive learned to disagree while remaining with the values I hold and respect I want to show to others. But yes. I can get passionate. Especially thinking on something like this and my mom suffering.
 
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I have a good friend in lunch brunch who is Democratic. Sometimes we have discussions. It is amicable, but just to be safe she doesnt like to sit next to me when we start talking politics. She said her hands are mighty close to my throat. Lol. But yes. We have a good laugh. Now on here, I don't talk politics much. And all the different beliefs on here amaze me. I don't know if I was asleep to the fact or just didn't care to study anything different then what I was taught, but it has been quite an interesting experience. It has me asking some good questions, but I can't take the heat at times and have to stay away. Ive learned to disagree while remaining with the values I hold and respect I want to show to others. But yes. I can get passionate. Especially thinking on something like this and my mom suffering.
I think your quote from Philippians 3.20 shows just how far apart in one's thinking people for whom religion means political activism are from born again believers.
 
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Re your other post. Just to stir the pot. :)

Is a brain dead person alive? Or has the person just being kept between earth and heaven..as the mother in law was for a few MONTHS....she wasn't dead and with God...neither was she alive and "here"...she was being kept by tubes in a never-never-land of nowhere!!
I guess the reality for any of us is that we simply do not know. I have been endeavour to consider ' where ' the soul is anyway - I mean is it in the mind?
We often say ' I feel things deep down ', but where is ' deep down ! ?
I know that when I feel something deep within me that it doesn't feel as if it is in the mind. We are called to ' renew the mind ' in order to change the way we act and think- so the mind plays a part in the spiritual changes.
We are called to love God with all our hearts, mind and soul - which means they are seperate things- but where does the soul ' live ' as such !!!!!!
They say the eyes are the window to the soul - where does that come from!?

I do believe that our bodies are shells, and that's why I am not really bothered about what happens to ' my shell ' when I pass away - and if I was brain dead I would not want to be kept on a life support machine- but understand why family want to keep that person with them- so perhaps it's sometimes about God preparing others to be able to let go - compassion on others.
Rita
 
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So, which scriptures determine our choices with regards to what is being discussed!?
Rita

I want to go through and write the ones on my heart myself. It will take a little time though. The word study is enduring suffering...trials and afflictions as well as Psalm 139, about being knit together in our mother's womb. Life is precious. Both lives being born and lives soon to be mourned. We can die tomorrow. We don't know. If it is a person's time to go, no machine is going to keep a person alive. As far as if one should, I am against that. But not to kill oneself. And I hate to repeat myself so much. :D But I cannot reiterate it enough. Who doesnt want to end suffering and be with God? But isn't it worth the wait?

I had my daughter natural. I wanted an epidural, because I was scared to death. Lol. But I don't remember the pain of labor. I just remember her beautiful face. I can't wait to forget this world and see Jesus's beautiful face.
 
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I want to go through and write the ones on my heart myself. It will take a little time though. The word study is enduring suffering...trials and afflictions as well as Psalm 139, about being knit together in our mother's womb. Life is precious. Both lives being born and lives soon to be mourned. We can die tomorrow. We don't know. If it is a person's time to go, no machine is going to keep a person alive. As far as if one should, I am against that. But not to kill oneself. And I hate to repeat myself so much. :D But I cannot reiterate it enough. Who doesnt want to end suffering and be with God? But isn't it worth the wait?

I had my daughter natural. I wanted an epidural, because I was scared to death. Lol. But I don't remember the pain of labor. I just remember her beautiful face. I can't wait to forget this world and see Jesus's beautiful face.
I had a train of thought at work yesterday , after reading your post. Sadly by the time I got home it had gone - I am on holiday after today's shift, so I will try and get the thoughts back !!!!!( if I can )
Rita
 
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I had a train of thought at work yesterday , after reading your post. Sadly by the time I got home it had gone - I am on holiday after today's shift, so I will try and get the thoughts back !!!!!( if I can )
Rita

God give my sister Butterfly the strength and sound mind and body to be able to keep her thoughts in order, despite her grueling 10 hour shifts. Thank you Lord, In Jesus name, Amen. ♥
 
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Thanks Nancy
I cannot remember what I was going to add, but I am pretty sure it will come back after I have rested up - it tied in with one of the verses mayflower mentioned, so I will reflect on that tomorrow xx
It's 7:45 here, Just got home- it's been a good day, but I am weary X
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Thanks Nancy
I cannot remember what I was going to add, but I am pretty sure it will come back after I have rested up - it tied in with one of the verses mayflower mentioned, so I will reflect on that tomorrow xx
It's 7:45 here, Just got home- it's been a good day, but I am weary X
Rita

Rest up oh Child Of God! So good to hear your long day was good.
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I think my train of thought was around ' you knit me together in my mothers womb ' - but it may take us slightly off topic, but not completely.
This is one of those verses that is used as an encouragment - it's a common one and often comes up within discussions about life, and yet I find myself questioning it. David was expressing his opinion and thoughts , about God ' knowing him ' ( the real person ) This is the same psalm ' search me of Lord '
David knows and trusts that God knows everything about him. Now that I have complete faith about.
However, sometimes this verse is used to define every birth, every baby in total- with regards to being knit together- in other words ' God creates every baby / every life ' - well I am not sure I agree totally. I agree that God knows every life, but with regards to ' creating ' every life, well didn't God give us that role when he told us procreate ?
You see if God ' creates ' every life, what about the babies who are born with discibilities, illnesses, development problems. What about the endless children being born into abusive families, or children who are conceived after rape, or children being created to only die of starvation and illness due to poverty. If God is totally in control of life coming into this world, then he would equally be in control of all that goes with it, and I am not sure I agree with that.
I realise that there are many verses from Old Testament where we know God ' opens a womb to allow pregnancy ' but the question is very rarely asked about why that women could not conceive in the first place, to me when God intervened he was healing and answering prayer.
We argue that we have no right to take life, but throughout the OT we have history conveying that God did allow us to take life - and sometimes in very violent ways. It wasn't always in self defence, but to gain land ( something I have never been able to get my head around ! ) or as punishment.
I just do not think it is as clear cut as some people think it is.

This is just something I have been mulling over, and it is just my opinion xx
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I think my train of thought was around ' you knit me together in my mothers womb ' - but it may take us slightly off topic, but not completely.
This is one of those verses that is used as an encouragment - it's a common one and often comes up within discussions about life, and yet I find myself questioning it. David was expressing his opinion and thoughts , about God ' knowing him ' ( the real person ) This is the same psalm ' search me of Lord '
David knows and trusts that God knows everything about him. Now that I have complete faith about.
However, sometimes this verse is used to define every birth, every baby in total- with regards to being knit together- in other words ' God creates every baby / every life ' - well I am not sure I agree totally. I agree that God knows every life, but with regards to ' creating ' every life, well didn't God give us that role when he told us procreate ?
You see if God ' creates ' every life, what about the babies who are born with discibilities, illnesses, development problems. What about the endless children being born into abusive families, or children who are conceived after rape, or children being created to only die of starvation and illness due to poverty. If God is totally in control of life coming into this world, then he would equally be in control of all that goes with it, and I am not sure I agree with that.
I realise that there are many verses from Old Testament where we know God ' opens a womb to allow pregnancy ' but the question is very rarely asked about why that women could not conceive in the first place, to me when God intervened he was healing and answering prayer.
We argue that we have no right to take life, but throughout the OT we have history conveying that God did allow us to take life - and sometimes in very violent ways. It wasn't always in self defence, but to gain land ( something I have never been able to get my head around ! ) or as punishment.
I just do not think it is as clear cut as some people think it is.

This is just something I have been mulling over, and it is just my opinion xx
Rita

Wow Rita, I often wondered about that too...I believe the only humans God created, from the dirt, originally were Adam and Eve. Great points about children born with horrible afflictions, I see all of it as part of the fall...the whole earth fell with us! God word say's:
Job 1:21 – God Gives and God Takes Away. But, as someone has mentioned earlier, we humans pump people up with pills and all sorts of meds to keep them "alive" when all they want to do is die. Even saved people are human and can only take so much pain before losing their sound minds. If God is calling them home, who are we to keep them going artificially? Keep them out of pain and IMHO, that should be IT. Sry, got off on a tangent, lol.
 

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If God is calling them home, who are we to keep them going artificially?
There's a difference between unnecessarily prolonging someone's life artificially, and a conscious decision to terminate life.