Oddly, this thread has come back around to this passage again...
And JJ also accused me of not showing him love and we had a long discussion on it. In this very thread. Odd.
I know Amadeus takes the time to read a whole thread. Does anyone else?
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Oddly, this thread has come back around to this passage again...
And JJ also accused me of not showing him love and we had a long discussion on it. In this very thread. Odd.
I know Amadeus takes the time to read a whole thread. Does anyone else?
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I do.
But I qualify that by saying If I like the subject title and want to respond to the OP , I then respond without reading any other posts. ( so I am not influenced)
THEN I go back to post #2 and read on down.
Often someone will have mentioned a verse or a concept that I posted.
( and obviously I then give that person a "like"
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I do that too sometimes. other times, I read the whole thread first. I will admit that for the most part, I do just skip the posts of those who have never made any sense at all to me or who are always reliably mean and arrogant in their replies. It cuts down on the time required to read through a thread.
I saw it in an earlier post but people still keep on being unkind.
I think that when God speaks of "creating evil," what is meant is that He sends good times and bad--much the same meaning as Jeremiah had in saying, "I know the plans I have for you and they are for good, not for evil..." However, God does "cause" evil (i.e. the absence of good) by creating the good. What "good" means is that something that is "good" is like God ("good" literally means--"like God").
Hmm, no. I just think that Jesus idea's have caused hell on earth. In his world view my daughter won't escape her fate if she dies today, since she fornicates outside of marriage with her boyfriend.
Ah! But of course. Jesus can still save her, there's still time.
It's not so much that Christians think there maybe a window of opportunity for her. It's the fact that if she did perish, I'd have to accept that God has decided to throw her in hell.
Or me, or you, or anyone.
Pearl, I'm sorry that you feel I've been unkind to JJ. There was no anger in my heart at him and I have become quite fond of him. Its unfortunate that you read an entire thread and pull one word out of that entire thread and focus on it, rather than where someone's heart seems to be.
Its unfortunate that: "numbskull" is being mean in your view. Its unfortunate that: "numbskull " is something you think puts me in danger of hellfire. Its unfortunate that you judge a man by one word, said jokingly. Its just really unfortunate.
The thread has been here for days. At any time, you could have stepped in to speak with the man, who is having a hard time of late. Don't chide a person who has cared enough about his hurt to spend three days of her time with him and who thinks he's worth every minute of that time.
Its all just very unfortunate.
Its unfortunate that: "numbskull
" is being mean in your view. Its unfortunate that: "numbskull " is something you think puts me in danger of hellfire. Its unfortunate that you judge a man by one word, said jokingly. Its just really unfortunate.The thread has been here for days. At any time, you could have stepped in to speak with the man, who is having a hard time of late. Don't chide a person who has cared enough about his hurt to spend three days of her time with him and who thinks he's worth every minute of that time.
Its all just very unfortunate.
The ones I choose to read, I read all the way through, sometimes twice (especially with Bbyrd's, lol) But there are those who post waaaay long posts with tons of scripture. If I spent time on those ones...I would have no time to get to the others!
Pearl, I'm sorry that you feel I've been unkind to JJ. There was no anger in my heart at him and I have become quite fond of him. Its unfortunate that you read an entire thread and pull one word out of that entire thread and focus on it, rather than where someone's heart seems to be.
Its unfortunate that: "numbskull
The thread has been here for days. At any time, you could have stepped in to speak with the man, who is having a hard time of late. Don't chide a person who has cared enough about his hurt to spend three days of her time with him and who thinks he's worth every minute of that time.
Its all just very unfortunate.
I have been following this thread and, I must say Stunned, I was impressed at to how you and he interact. You speak truth in love with him and, just being there I'm sure, has meant much to him. I wonder how many seeds you planted
I have not seen Pearl's post but, she is a very sweet lady... ♥
You've gone from her stepfather sexually abused her, to that she is having sex outside of marriage, so I'm a little confused at the way you jump around.
I know you will project onto me what you have heard every other Christian you're mad at say, but I will try anyway. I do not condemn your daughter. I've done worse than what you say she is doing. Do you hear me? I've done far worse than that. How could I condemn her without also condemning myself?
I do not condemn her.
I have been following this thread and, I must say Stunned, I was impressed at to how you and he interact. You speak truth in love with him and, just being there I'm sure, has meant much to him. I wonder how many seeds you planted
I have not seen Pearl's post but, she is a very sweet lady... ♥
I agree that she is a sweet lady. Weren't we all excited when she arrived and we heard her speak? Didn't we all thank God for sending her to us? And who couldn't see that you and Helen absolutely beamed over her?
Umm, neither do I. But that doesn't prevent Jesus toasting her if she continues in his view to "sin"
The most loving thing that anyone can do for someone else is to tell him/her the truth in love. We could lie to you and tell you that your rejection of the Savior will not end in eternal suffering, only to have you find out that hell is real and that it is probably worse than anything you can imagine. What I pray for my unsaved friends and family is that they not die in their sins. While there is time left, there is hope. Suppressing the truth with lies is from the evil one and could never help anyone. (Romans 1:18)
Why do you put sin in quotes? God has declared what is sin. What happened to your daughter was a terrible sin (Jesus was very specific about what would happen to such people who sexually abused a child) but we all have sin. The only difference is that some of us have had our sins paid for on the Cross. Those who do not, must pay for their own sin. That is the truth.
Yes. They are. But the Apostle Peter told us that God is unwilling that anyone would be destroyed--that all would come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9) But, Jesus wept over Jerusalem, understanding that some would not come to Him. Would a just God not punish sin? But He has made a way of escape from the due punishment of our sin--through His payment, on the Cross, for our sin. It cost Him a great deal to secure that salvation for us. How can we ignore it?
Umm, payment would require that you would be set free at some point. Otherwise it's not payment, it's just torture.
I found it disturbing as well. I think the pastor was well-meaning but I don't think that even street kids would expect a pastor to be vulgar.
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That is if you believe in that kind of hell. I don't.
I began to learn that there have been, in centuries past, and still are today, a few people in the world that see a different kind of God in the Bible.
They see a God who will not let any creature suffer forever.
They see a God in the Bible who will change every second of everyone's suffering into something better.
I prayed and waited upon God. I read dozens of books, and listened to hundreds of tapes by men who believe that God IS Love...
Believing in The Good News, rather than the news of eternal torment is what changes lives. Not the preaching of fear.
Romans asks this question...
"....despisest thou the riches of His goodness , forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? "
If the true gospel was preached maybe the majority of the world would not hate God like they do.
Satan has done a very good job or sabotaging Gods true character.
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