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Personally I'm not a fan of the NIV and feel lead to use the KJV and online often use NASB.
But I like the idea of videos uploaded and see nothing wrong with posting them for material to discuss. I don't get why some take issue, it's not like we all don't watch certain speakers present their points of view on a variety of topics. Lol!
 
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Personally I'm not a fan of the NIV and feel lead to use the KJV and online often use NASB.
But I like the idea of videos uploaded and see nothing wrong with posting them for material to discuss. I don't get why some take issue, it's not like we all don't watch certain speakers present their points of view on a variety of topics. Lol!
I guess we should ask those who complain if they own a television set?
 
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Ya Core, I want to engage in discussion, but I dont have time to watch all of those videos. I have a backlog of stuff to watch and do already.

Why not make a thread featuring maybe one succinct video and then pose your questions and impressions on it? That would be a better way of inviting discussion because then you wouldn't be overwhelming us.
 

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Ya Core, I want to engage in discussion, but I dont have time to watch all of those videos. I have a backlog of stuff to watch and do already.

Why not make a thread featuring maybe one succinct video and then pose your questions and impressions on it? That would be a better way of inviting discussion because then you wouldn't be overwhelming us.
Because the more perspectives you see the better picture is painted.

What you have to do is prioritize your study.
 

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Not surprising you being a Jehovah's Witnesses. Pretty obvious they would not agree with you.
You need to get your information straight on lots of matters CI.
Gauging by the amount of wanting research and your claims of working in intelligence at some stage in your life I wonder whether it was the job of janitor you held?
 
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I guess we should ask those who complain if they own a television set?
Actually, the TV is the perfect example to use to explain why 'some' of us are attempting to ask you to ease up on the multiple vids.
When a person sits down to watch TV, they do so to watch particular shows, on a particular subject of interest. Here in Australia, many of the free channels have advertisements that interupt the show in question. It's frustrating. You don't particularly want to see multiple ads on the latest cleaning product, but if you want to watch your show, tough luck.

Most of us here are here to talk to the other people...not watch multiple vids done by people who have opinions that we don't necessarily agree with.
It's not that we DO disagree with them...after all, we are happy to engage in conversation with those we disagree with here. It's the fact that IF we wanted to watch vids done by these people, we are quite capable of doing a YouTube search on our own. Or asking those here who they recommend.
What you are doing here, is throwing commercials at us, rather than letting us watch the show. The show being, actual conversation with you.

Hope that makes a little sense.
 

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John Bunyan was a great writer in metaphors/parables and he explains the use of them in his "The Barren Fig Tree" work (http://www.chapellib.../bun-barren.pdf):

6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. - Luke 13:6-9

In parables there are two things to be taken notice of, and to be inquired into of them that read.

First, The metaphors made use of.
Second, The doctrine or mysteries couched under such metaphors.

The metaphors in this parable are,
1. A certain man;
2. A vineyard;
3. A fig-tree, barren or fruitless;
4. A dresser;
5. Three years;
6. Digging and dunging, &c.

The doctrine, or mystery, couched under these words is to show us what is like to become of a fruitless or formal professor. For,

1. By the man in the parable is meant God the Father (Luke 15:11).
2. By the vineyard, his church (Isa 5:7).
3. By the fig-tree, a professor.
4. By the dresser, the Lord Jesus.
5. By the fig-tree’s barrenness, the professor’s fruitlessness.
6. By the three years, the patience of God that for a time he extendeth to barren professors.
7. This calling to the dresser of the vineyard to cut it down, is to show the outcries of justice against fruitless professors.
8. The dresser’s interceding is to show how the Lord Jesus steps in, and takes hold of the head of his Father’s axe, to stop, or at least to defer, the present execution of a barren fig-tree.
9. The dresser’s desire to try to make the fig-tree fruitful, is to show you how unwilling he is that even a barren fig-tree should yet be barren, and perish.
10. His digging about it, and dunging of it, is to show his willingness to apply gospel helps to this barren professor, if haply he may be fruitful.
11. The supposition that the fig-tree may yet continue fruitless, is to show, that when Christ Jesus hath done all, there are some professors will abide barren and fruitless.
12. The determination upon this supposition, at last to cut it down, is a certain prediction of such professor’s unavoidable and eternal damnation.

But to take this parable into pieces, and to discourse more particularly, though with all brevity, upon all the parts thereof. ‘A certain MAN had a fig-tree planted in his vineyard.’ The MAN, I told you, is to present us with God the Father; by which similitude he is often set out in the New Testament. Observe then, that it is no new thing, if you find in God’s church barren fig-trees, fruitless professors; even as here you see is a tree, a fruitless tree, a fruitless fig-tree in the vineyard.

Fruit is not so easily brought forth as a profession is got into; it is easy for a man to clothe himself with a fair show in the flesh, to word it, and say, Be thou warmed and filled with the best. It is no hard thing to do these with other things; but to be fruitful, to bring forth fruit to God, this doth not every tree, no not every fig-tree that stands in the vineyard of God. Those words also, ‘Every branch in me that beareth not fruit, he taketh away,’ assert the same thing (John 15:2). There are branches in Christ, in Christ’s body mystical, which is his church, his vineyard, that bear not fruit, wherefore the hand of God is to take them away: I looked for grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes, that is, no fruit at all that was acceptable with God (Isa 5:4). Again, ‘Israel is an empty vine, he bringeth forth fruit unto himself,’ none to God; he is without fruit to God (Hosea 10:1). All these, with many more, show us the truth of the observation, and that God’s church may be cumbered with fruitless fig-trees, with barren professors.
 

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I posted them for the consumption of you and others. You have no right to tell me what to do.


I don't know what your problem is.

Just letting you know, you start an OP, then people expect to see a DISCUSSION, and instead SEE an INFLUX of YOUTUBE videos, which ANYONE could themselves GO TO YOUTUBE, instead of a discussion forum.

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You need to get your information straight on lots of matters CI.
Gauging by the amount of wanting research and your claims of working in intelligence at some stage in your life I wonder whether it was the job of janitor you held?
That was a lousy job of trying to dodge being a Jehovah witness.
 

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Actually, the TV is the perfect example to use to explain why 'some' of us are attempting to ask you to ease up on the multiple vids.
When a person sits down to watch TV, they do so to watch particular shows, on a particular subject of interest. Here in Australia, many of the free channels have advertisements that interupt the show in question. It's frustrating. You don't particularly want to see multiple ads on the latest cleaning product, but if you want to watch your show, tough luck.

Most of us here are here to talk to the other people...not watch multiple vids done by people who have opinions that we don't necessarily agree with.
It's not that we DO disagree with them...after all, we are happy to engage in conversation with those we disagree with here. It's the fact that IF we wanted to watch vids done by these people, we are quite capable of doing a YouTube search on our own. Or asking those here who they recommend.
What you are doing here, is throwing commercials at us, rather than letting us watch the show. The show being, actual conversation with you.

Hope that makes a little sense.
Videos in the threads the same thing as the television. They are episodic.

You choose what to watch no one to watch, just like on TV.

It is visual, just like on TV.

And none of them stop you from posting and talking to others. The lame complaint.

No one forces you to watch a video anymore then you are forced to read or apply to posts.

Your complaint is bogus.
 

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Just letting you know, you start an OP, then people expect to see a DISCUSSION, and instead SEE an INFLUX of YOUTUBE videos, which ANYONE could themselves GO TO YOUTUBE, instead of a discussion forum.

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The videos are discussion starters. They present thinking I agree with.
 

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The videos are discussion starters. They present thinking I agree with.

That's all well for you to decide WHO you agree with.
However the Thrid party protrayed in the Videos are not participants in this Forum.

IOW you are not presenting YOUR views for discussion.
You are presenting a Thrid party's views that are NOT present for discussion.

Frankly, Multiple Listed Videos that are fully available to Anyone, who would rather search out Youtube, INSTEAD of participating one on one with actual Members of THIS forum, is over the top.

Glory to God,
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That's all well for you to decide WHO you agree with.
However the Thrid party protrayed in the Videos are not participants in this Forum.

IOW you are not presenting YOUR views for discussion.
You are presenting a Thrid party's views that are NOT present for discussion.

Frankly, Multiple Listed Videos that are fully available to Anyone, who would rather search out Youtube, INSTEAD of participating one on one with actual Members of THIS forum, is over the top.

Glory to God,
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Neither are quotes, documents and links posted by others. They are all third party materials by those not participating here.

So that is a non-argument.

Written materials and such by others are available to anyone on the Internet. Another false origin.

If you look around at some of the videos on threads I posted, there is already active discussion by forum members.

Videos are every bit as valid and legitimate as written presentations. Also equally debatable by members of this forum.

As with right here. We are discussing and debating the videos.
 

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Listening to this VIDEO, this man IS FIRST setting A FALSE PREMISE, "THEN" preaching his belief.

THE FALSE PREMISE...
1)
The Rapture occurs at Jesus Second Coming.

No, that is NOT TRUE.
No one who believes IN THE RAPTURE, is claiming JESUS has RETURNED TO THE EARTH.

Rapture Believers DISTINCTLY claim, Jesus IS Specifically IN the Clouds......
NOT Heaven! NOT EARTH!!

2)
ONLY Believers are Risen UP, and ALL others Left on Earth are Disbelievers.

No, that is NOT TRUE.
Converted Believers IN GOD and "CHRIST SPECIFIC" "are" Christs Church, and ARE raised UP to the Clouds.....( NOT HEAVEN )...
The Clouds, to MEET their Lord Jesus, IN THE AIR....(NOT Heaven, NOT on EARTH)!!

There shall REMAIN ON EARTH "MANY" believers "IN GOD".
They Suffer the WRATH OF THE LAMB...FOR Having BEEN revealed the Knowledge of Christ, and DENIED BELIEVING the Knowledge.

"THEY" PRIMARILY are ISRAEL, God Believers, Gods People.

"THEY" are NOT forsaken.
"THEY" shall RECEIVE, during the Tribulation, Specific MESSENGERS SENT FROM GOD, TO TEACH "THEM" of CHRIST.

"THEY" during the Tribulation...
Shall be MADE, by the Power of God...
.... SOUL" saved.
Shall be MADE, by the Power of God...
...."SPIRIT" quickened.
THEIR "Bodies" SHALL BE KILLED.
THEIR saved "SOULS" shall rise up to Heaven.
THEIR quickened "SPIRITS" shall rise up to Heaven.
THEIR "BODIES" shall REMAIN on EARTH, "WAITING" for the Lords RETURN, to RAISE UP "THEIR" Bodies "ON EARTH".
Their BODIES, Raised UP IN GLORY, and the Lord having "WITH HIM" their REWARD, of their SAVED Soul and QUICKENED Spirit, to reunite WITH their Glorified Bodies, ON EARTH.

Your video man....DOES NOT DISTINGUISH,
Between...Christs Church, Already "MADE" WHOLE....body, soul, spirit....

AND

Men who believe in God, but have not yet committed to the Messiah, Christ the Lord Jesus.

Your video man....Completely UNDERMINES, the meaning of the RAPTURE and WHO specifically it Applies to, and WHY!

No, I do NOT agree with your Video man...
Nor YOU, as his view, being your view.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Neither are quotes, documents and links posted by others. They are all third party materials by those not participating here.

So that is a non-argument.

Sure I have seen others post, third party materials......AND THEN COMMENT, their own opinions, view, agreement, disagreement.

You just post video after video....
Who knows if you are in agreement or not without your own input attached to the videos?

Written materials and such by others are available to anyone on the Internet. Another false origin.

LOL

If you look around at some of the videos on threads I posted, there is already active discussion by forum members.

yep, so?
I gave a review of one of your videos.
Complete waste of time.

As with right here. We are discussing and debating the videos.

And? Jesus' teaching was .... ?
Reason opinions of Videos....or reason the Scriptures?

Seems to be a Personal preference.

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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Actually, the TV is the perfect example to use to explain why 'some' of us are attempting to ask you to ease up on the multiple vids.
When a person sits down to watch TV, they do so to watch particular shows, on a particular subject of interest. Here in Australia, many of the free channels have advertisements that interupt the show in question. It's frustrating. You don't particularly want to see multiple ads on the latest cleaning product, but if you want to watch your show, tough luck.

Most of us here are here to talk to the other people...not watch multiple vids done by people who have opinions that we don't necessarily agree with.
It's not that we DO disagree with them...after all, we are happy to engage in conversation with those we disagree with here. It's the fact that IF we wanted to watch vids done by these people, we are quite capable of doing a YouTube search on our own. Or asking those here who they recommend.
What you are doing here, is throwing commercials at us, rather than letting us watch the show. The show being, actual conversation with you.

Hope that makes a little sense.
I had no problem scanning the videos in a couple of minutes and deciding what I wanted to comment upon. But maybe that is just My Personal Superpower Rotfl! :p:);)
 

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Listening to this VIDEO, this man IS FIRST setting A FALSE PREMISE, "THEN" preaching his belief.

THE FALSE PREMISE...
1)
The Rapture occurs at Jesus Second Coming.

No, that is NOT TRUE.
No one who believes IN THE RAPTURE, is claiming JESUS has RETURNED TO THE EARTH.

Rapture Believers DISTINCTLY claim, Jesus IS Specifically IN the Clouds......
NOT Heaven! NOT EARTH!!

2)
ONLY Believers are Risen UP, and ALL others Left on Earth are Disbelievers.

No, that is NOT TRUE.
Converted Believers IN GOD and "CHRIST SPECIFIC" "are" Christs Church, and ARE raised UP to the Clouds.....( NOT HEAVEN )...
The Clouds, to MEET their Lord Jesus, IN THE AIR....(NOT Heaven, NOT on EARTH)!!

There shall REMAIN ON EARTH "MANY" believers "IN GOD".
They Suffer the WRATH OF THE LAMB...FOR Having BEEN revealed the Knowledge of Christ, and DENIED BELIEVING the Knowledge.

"THEY" PRIMARILY are ISRAEL, God Believers, Gods People.

"THEY" are NOT forsaken.
"THEY" shall RECEIVE, during the Tribulation, Specific MESSENGERS SENT FROM GOD, TO TEACH "THEM" of CHRIST.

"THEY" during the Tribulation...
Shall be MADE, by the Power of God...
.... SOUL" saved.
Shall be MADE, by the Power of God...
...."SPIRIT" quickened.
THEIR "Bodies" SHALL BE KILLED.
THEIR saved "SOULS" shall rise up to Heaven.
THEIR quickened "SPIRITS" shall rise up to Heaven.
THEIR "BODIES" shall REMAIN on EARTH, "WAITING" for the Lords RETURN, to RAISE UP "THEIR" Bodies "ON EARTH".
Their BODIES, Raised UP IN GLORY, and the Lord having "WITH HIM" their REWARD, of their SAVED Soul and QUICKENED Spirit, to reunite WITH their Glorified Bodies, ON EARTH.

Your video man....DOES NOT DISTINGUISH,
Between...Christs Church, Already "MADE" WHOLE....body, soul, spirit....

AND

Men who believe in God, but have not yet committed to the Messiah, Christ the Lord Jesus.

Your video man....Completely UNDERMINES, the meaning of the RAPTURE and WHO specifically it Applies to, and WHY!

No, I do NOT agree with your Video man...
Nor YOU, as his view, being your view.

Glory to God,
Taken
He is talking about the second coming, not the rapture. That in the rapture Saints are taken first. But at the second coming the tares are gathered first and burned.
 

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Sure I have seen others post, third party materials......AND THEN COMMENT, their own opinions, view, agreement, disagreement.

You just post video after video....
Who knows if you are in agreement or not without your own input attached to the videos?



LOL



yep, so?
I gave a review of one of your videos.
Complete waste of time.



And? Jesus' teaching was .... ?
Reason opinions of Videos....or reason the Scriptures?

Seems to be a Personal preference.

Glory to God,
Taken
Nothing stops you from commenting on the content of the video.

You gave a false review on that video, to which I have already replied.