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Obviously that is not our job. But our job is to examine all the false teachings in Christendom in the light of Scripture. We can point this out to others and it is up to them to abandon their false teachings or not.
Note: it is helpful to "disprove" things which are actually believed, rather than straw-man arguments. Too often I see folks of faith X "disproving" a point that they claim Y believes, but in reality Y folks don't actually believe that.

I'm using 'X' and 'Y' here because I've found that this behavior is a human condition, and there are some folks in every group that do this (giving and receiving that treatment).
 

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I must wonder why, if they believe as they say, they do not ever talk about it in the open "Christian" forums. All that celestial stuff and yes, you are correct, I have done very little research on Mormonism. I have watched some of these videos and have read some articles from both sides yet, there seems to be a covert operation going on between what is revealed by others that they believe and, what they claim to believe. Like, do they REALLY believe that Jesus was Satan's brother?? And, all the other stuff. I suppose my wondering is all about their Soteriology and how they differs from ours...
Their salvation doctrine is blown to bits as soon as they claim humans can become gods and will rule their own planets. Cults are secretive because it's the way of cults, it doesn't matter what specific one they are, it is a cult characteristic that they only tell what is acceptable in the beginning & don't go exposing some of the teachings that they know are unusual. In Mormonism, JW's , Freemasonry, Scientology, or any cults the pattern is the same, first they hook people in by friendly welcoming , then they gradually give them more and more information about the spiritual teachings. They will deny it if anyone confronts them of some of the crazier known teachings.. .They do not go to the more "advanced" teachings with the novices. People get indoctrinated gradually, and in some cults they will give them grades to achieve , it's like special initiations, then they receive more advanced spiritual "teachings" because they've shown that they are "ready" to receive them. It is typical generally speaking in cults that they are very hierarchical and controlling with the more advanced elders at the top.
Some of mormons are like politicians, very deceptive and slick , beware of that. Go do the research so you won't be tricked by the flattering talk. Like one on this forum who down right lies about the doctrines. Church of LDS preaches a false Christ, and a false gospel.
 
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Their salvation doctrine is blown to bits as soon as they claim humans can become gods and will rule their own planets. Cults are secretive because they it's the way of cults, it doesn't matter what specific one they are, it is a characteristic that they only tell what is acceptable & don't go exposing some of the teachings that they know are unusual. In Mormonism, JW's , Freemasonry, Scientology, or any cults the pattern is the same, first they hook people in , then they gradually give them more and more information about the teachings. They will deny it if anyone confronts them of some of the crazier teachings.. .They do not go to the more "advanced" teachings with the novices. People get indoctrinated gradually, and in some cults they will give them grades to achieve , it's like special initiations, then they receive more advanced spiritual "teachings" because they've shown that they are "ready" to receive them. It is typical generally speaking in cults that they are very
hierarchical and controlling with the more advanced elders at the top.

Well, I suspect you do not understand the history of Christianity.....Deification or Divination is part of it
 
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I must wonder why, if they believe as they say, they do not ever talk about it in the open "Christian" forums.
I am literally open to any question, assuming that the asker is actually interested in the answer (else it's just a waste of time).

Other folks are more reserved / don't come to generic-Christian forums because commonly LDS Christians are treated very badly on generic-Christian forums, and they don't want to stay in such an environment.
, there seems to be a covert operation going on between what is revealed by others that they believe and, what they claim to believe.
There's not really a covert thing going on the LDS Christian side of things.
Like, do they REALLY believe that Jesus was Satan's brother??
Only in the sense that the Father is the Father of everyone: me, you, Mother Teresa, Hitler, the mailman, Elvis, Christ, Lucifer, etc. Despite this commonality, we all vary in the degree to which we follow God: Mother Teresa being a good example, Hitler being not. There shared spiritual parentage doesn't automatically make Mother Teresa worse or Hitler better. The two extremes of righteousness and sin are Jesus Christ (the only Begotten Son of God & Savior of the world) and Lucifer (whom fell and totally forsaked the Father and became the devil).
I suppose my wondering is all about their Soteriology and how they differs from ours...
The biggest differences you're come across with that are:
Protestants separated salvations and anticipation into two different topics, whereas as LDS Christians (and most other non-Protestants) see it as a joint topic of discipleship. Salvation comes by having faith in God, and is an undeserved gift. This real faith changes a person, calling them to repent and follow in His ways.
 

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Their salvation doctrine is blown to bits as soon as they claim humans can become gods and will rule their own planets. Cults are secretive because they it's the way of cults, it doesn't matter what specific one they are, it is a characteristic that they only tell what is acceptable & don't go exposing some of the teachings that they know are unusual. In Mormonism, JW's , Freemasonry, Scientology, or any cults the pattern is the same, first they hook people in , then they gradually give them more and more information about the teachings. They will deny it if anyone confronts them of some of the crazier teachings.. .They do not go to the more "advanced" teachings with the novices. People get indoctrinated gradually, and in some cults they will give them grades to achieve , it's like special initiations, then they receive more advanced spiritual "teachings" because they've shown that they are "ready" to receive them. It is typical generally speaking in cults that they are very
hierarchical and controlling with the more advanced elders at the top.
Some of mormons are very deceptive and slick beware of that. Go do the research so you won't be tricked by the flattering talk. Like one on this forum who down right lies about the doctrines.
Again, I'm happy to answer any question, assuming that the asker is actually interested in the answer (else it's a waste of time).
Like one on this forum who down right lies about the doctrines.
Dude: that's just personal attack. Completely unneeded and destructive to real dialogue.
 

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Again, I'm happy to answer any question, assuming that the asker is actually interested in the answer (else it's a waste of time).

Dude: that's just personal attack. Completely unneeded and destructive to real dialogue.

I think a problem I have with the many LDS I have talked with is that their eagerness to share their religion is not match with any interest in learning about what I believe.
 

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I think a problem I have with the many LDS I have talked with is that their eagerness to share their religion is not match with any interest in learning about what I believe.
If we're talking about missionaries (of any faith) I find the above tends to be true: missionaries tend to be more interested in speaking than listening, to varying degrees.

I've never been a missionary and never intend to be.

(Edit to fix type-o)
 
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Again, I'm happy to answer any question, assuming that the asker is actually interested in the answer (else it's a waste of time).
Don't blatantly deny what is taught in Mormonism then, and I wouldn't have to warn anyone not be deceived.
 
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Don't blatantly deny what is taught in Mormonism then, and I wouldn't have to warn anyone not be deceived.
Dude: I am OCD honest.
If you feel that you need to respond to honesty with personal attacks to "warn" people, that's on you.
 

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Yes. I am pretty sure they have heard it all, lol. It would be nice to see they, themselves on here who are Mormon, explain on the public forum why they believe the stuff of Joseph Smith. Just anybody could come along claiming anything at all as long as they have SOME truth to it...a little leaven!
We need to recall Apostle Paul's warning
Galatians 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a divine curse! 9As we have said before, so now I say again: Ifanyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary tothe one you embraced, let him be under a divine curse! 10Am I now seeking the approval of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.…"


Here is an example of some teachings from the Mormon book, called " The Teachings of Brigham Young." who is known as the second president of the LDS and called an Apostle of Jesus Christ by the Mormons. "God the Father was once a man on another planet...." Problemo! They teach another Gospel and then some....

Chapter 4
"Knowing and Honoring the Godhead
God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost constitute the Godhead. President Brigham Young taught the Latter-day Saints to worship God the Father and address prayers to Him in the name of Jesus Christ. He taught further that God the Father was once a man on another planet who “passed the ordeals we are now passing through; he has received an experience, has suffered and enjoyed, and knows all that we know regarding the toils, sufferings, life and death of this mortality” (DBY, 22).
 

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We need to recall Apostle Paul's warning
Galatians 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a divine curse! 9As we have said before, so now I say again: Ifanyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary tothe one you embraced, let him be under a divine curse! 10Am I now seeking the approval of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.…"

Galations 1 is actually one of the most faith
AFFIRMING chapters of scripture for me. Thank you for quoting it.
Here is an example of some teachings from the Mormon book, called " The Teachings of Brigham Young." who is known as the second president of the LDS and called an Apostle of Jesus Christ by the Mormons. "God the Father was once a man on another planet...." Problemo! They teach another Gospel and then some....

Chapter 4
"Knowing and Honoring the Godhead
God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost constitute the Godhead. President Brigham Young taught the Latter-day Saints to worship God the Father and address prayers to Him in the name of Jesus Christ. He taught further that God the Father was once a man on another planet who “passed the ordeals we are now passing through; he has received an experience, has suffered and enjoyed, and knows all that we know regarding the toils, sufferings, life and death of this mortality” (DBY, 22).
Actually LDS Christians don't have any official doctrinal stance on the Father's history.
There are a grand total of 2 speculative quotes that address the matter, but they are non-canonical speculations and aren't even discussed in actual LDS church services. Any individual member is free to have whatever opinion they want on these two quotes (including "that's bunk") and be 100% in good standing.
Aside: LDS do not believe in automatic 24/7 perfection of human leaders- there's only one 100% perfect man to have walked this earth and His name is Jesus.

This off-base type of "criticism" rely more on flaming sensationalism rather than fact checking.
 
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It is an attempt at deception. The LDS is a cult , it is not Christian, the teachings & doctrines are set , they don't change.
Thanks for proving my point.
 
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A Mormon forum member wants to present her beliefs is solidly Christian and biblical. When challenged tries to deny Temple Mormon teachings and wants to discuss the issues off forum in private.

On one thread he said she did not want to disrupt the topic and a different thread should be created to discuss Mormon beliefs. So here it is.

For those on for mayor with Mormonism here are some key aspects to be aware of:

Mormon churches do not teach Temple Mormon secrets and beliefs. They try to sound very Christian.

God the father is the literal son of another God and one of his multiple wives. He worked his way up to godhood on another planet.

Satan and Jesus are literal brothers born to the father and his wives.

Everyone is born pre-incarnate in heaven. Later they descend to earthly mothers to be born in earthly lives with no memory of their pre-incarnate existence.

They do not believe in hell, but in three heavens that one works to obtain while living on the earth. Those who attain the celestial heaven can continue to progress to being an angel and eventually a God of their own creation.

I was accused of misrepresenting Mormon beliefs, so here is official Mormon sources:

Scriptures | LDS.org

In the left column our official documents that are well worth reading and reveal a lot of beliefs Temple Mormons do not wish to go into detail on and non-Temple Mormons are not even aware of.

So if you wish to know more, study and discuss. You will quickly see Mormonism is a cult.

Many believe the angel on top of Mormon temples is Gabriel, but in fact it is a mythological angel called Moroni.

Moroni supposedly led Joseph Smith to gold tablets from ancient times on which the book of Mormon was engraved, another part of the Bible.
 
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A Mormon forum member wants to present her beliefs is solidly Christian and biblical. When challenged tries to deny Temple Mormon teachings and wants to discuss the issues off forum in private.

On one thread he said she did not want to disrupt the topic and a different thread should be created to discuss Mormon beliefs. So here it is.

For those on for mayor with Mormonism here are some key aspects to be aware of:

Mormon churches do not teach Temple Mormon secrets and beliefs. They try to sound very Christian.

God the father is the literal son of another God and one of his multiple wives. He worked his way up to godhood on another planet.

Satan and Jesus are literal brothers born to the father and his wives.

Everyone is born pre-incarnate in heaven. Later they descend to earthly mothers to be born in earthly lives with no memory of their pre-incarnate existence.

They do not believe in hell, but in three heavens that one works to obtain while living on the earth. Those who attain the celestial heaven can continue to progress to being an angel and eventually a God of their own creation.

I was accused of misrepresenting Mormon beliefs, so here is official Mormon sources:

Scriptures | LDS.org

In the left column our official documents that are well worth reading and reveal a lot of beliefs Temple Mormons do not wish to go into detail on and non-Temple Mormons are not even aware of.

So if you wish to know more, study and discuss. You will quickly see Mormonism is a cult.

Many believe the angel on top of Mormon temples is Gabriel, but in fact it is a mythological angel called Moroni.

Moroni supposedly led Joseph Smith to gold tablets from ancient times on which the book of Mormon was engraved, another part of the Bible.


In speaking to a former Mormon (and there aren't a lot of those around), he said that, at first, their doctrine sounds very Christian and that Mormons are some of the nicest people you can find anywhere. It is only later that the weird theology starts being taught. Mormonism is basically a form of Gnosticism.
 

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In speaking to a former Mormon (and there aren't a lot of those around), he said that, at first, their doctrine sounds very Christian and that Mormons are some of the nicest people you can find anywhere. It is only later that the weird theology starts being taught. Mormonism is basically a form of Gnosticism.
Not really.

Lady Crosstalk, if you want me to address of these "claims", I will happily do so with OCD honesty. I already addressed CoreIssues original post in this thread in post #16. If you want me to talk about any of those subjects again or another subject, I'd be happy to do so. I'm just no longer responding to CoreIssue directly, because I've done so repeatedly and been completely ignored.
 

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In speaking to a former Mormon (and there aren't a lot of those around), he said that, at first, their doctrine sounds very Christian and that Mormons are some of the nicest people you can find anywhere. It is only later that the weird theology starts being taught. Mormonism is basically a form of Gnosticism.
Once they move from their local church to Temple that is where all the so-called deeper stuff comes out.
 

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Not really.

Lady Crosstalk, if you want me to address of these "claims", I will happily do so with OCD honesty. I already addressed CoreIssues original post in this thread in post #16. If you want me to talk about any of those subjects again or another subject, I'd be happy to do so. I'm just no longer responding to CoreIssue directly, because I've done so repeatedly and been completely ignored.
As a woman you do not become a temple Mormon.
 

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Strawman arguments are so transparent and worthless - well, I guess they can be self satisfying:

“Catholics worship Mary!”
“But the Catholic Church doesn’t teach this idea......”
“See! I told you! Catholics are Pagan because they worship Mary!”