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Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by CoreIssue, Feb 6, 2019.

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    @Enoch111 , you are an amazing example of a true disciple of Christ.
     
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    Doesn't stop you being a prayer target.
     
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    Jesus Christ is human. God is not human.

    God indwelt the flesh of Jesus Christ but did not become flesh.

    The second person of the Trinity is God, not the human. God cannot die but Jesus Christ did die.

    Two natures, God and man, not one nature that is both God and man.
     
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    You've been attacking Mormonism and Calvinism as cults, but you yourself hold to a false cultish doctrine regarding Christ.

    So let's take this one at a time. Since Jesus is God in a glorified human body, on what grounds can you say that God is not human? Christ is the God-Man, fully divine and fully human. This is what all conservative Christians believe.
    This is GNOSTIC DOCTRINE my friend, not Gospel truth.
    TOTALLY FALSE AND UNSCRIPTURAL. The second person of the Trinity is God the Word or God the Son, not God the Father (who is generally called "God" in the NT). And Jesus died on the cross as the God-Man.
    Again TOTALLY FALSE.

    So what you should really do it get a proper understand of who the Lord Jesus Christ is before pointing the fingers at anyone else. You are seriously confused.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    That link avoids Mormon official doctrine and other official documents that clearly show Mormonism is a cult.

    I notice you carefully avoid addressing materials include here:

    Scriptures | LDS.org
     
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    Fully God and fully man defines his soul, which is the completeness of flesh plus spirit working together.

    But his flash is not God and his spirit is not man.

    Jesus Christ did not die as a God man. He died as a man because God could not pay the sin price.

    You cannot show me the existing flesh of Jesus before the incarnation anywhere in the Bible.

    https://www.theopedia.com/hypostatic-union
    Notices this distinct natures? Not one singular nature? Which you fail to recognize and understand.

    I am not the one in error here and here is your error.

    Does Jesus Have One Nature, or Two?
     
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    Doctrine and Covenants 93
    21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn;

    Mormonism says: “We pre-existed as spirit children
    Mormonism says: “We pre-existed as spirit children
    In Mormon theology, God is accompanied by a Goddess wife—our so-called “Heavenly Mother.” Together, they produce countless ethereal children which Mormons call “spirit children.”

    Mormonism's Official Curriculum Material etc.
    • “We all once lived in the presence of God the eternal father. In the world before your were a spirit child of his. With this divine parentage, your destiny, through righteous living, is to become like your Father in Heaven and return to his presence” [The Purpose of Life(Pamphlet handed out at BYU campus temple)]
    • “A veil covers our memories of our premortal life, but our Father in Heaven knows who we are and what we did before we came here. He has chosen the time and place for each of us to be born so we can learn the lessons we personally need and do the most good with our individual talents and personalities.” [Gospel Principles, Chapter 2: Our Heavenly Family (2011), 8.]

    Mormon Authorities
    Joseph Smith (Mormonism's founding president-prophet) “We were first begotten as spirit babies in heaven and then born naturally on earth” [Journal of Discourse, vol. 4, 218.]
    Brigham Young (Mormonism's 2nd president-prophet): “In the spirit world their spirits were first begotten and brought forth, … you could trace back your history to the Father of our spirits in the eternal world. He is a being of the same species as ourselves; He lives as we do, except the difference that we are earthly, and He is heavenly. He has been earthly, and is of precisely the same species of being that we are.” [Journal of Discourses, vol. 4:42]
    Orson Pratt (Original ‘Quorum of the Twelve’ member): “before men and women are born on earth as babies, their spirits are adult size in heaven. When they are born, their Spirits are compressed, which causes a loss in memory” [Journal of Discourses vol.16, 333-334.]

    Mormonism teaches: We have a Goddess mother
    Mormonism teaches: We have a Goddess mother
    As summarized by Milton R. Hunter (Leading 'Council of the Seventy' member): “The stupendous truth of the existence of a Heavenly Mother, as well as a Heavenly Father, became established facts in Mormon theology” [The Gospel Through the Ages (1958), 98.]

    Official Curriculum Material etc.
    —“WE, THE FIRST PRESIDENCY and the Council... proclaim... Each [person] is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents.” [The Family: A Proclamation to the World (1995)]
    —“For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother.” [Achieving A Celestial Marriage, LDS Student Manual, 129.]
    —“You are made in the image of our heavenly mother.” [The Latter-day Saint Woman: Basic Manual for Women, Part A: Lesson 9: Chastity and Modesty (2000), 65.]
    —“We know, for example, that we were sons and daughters of heavenly parents—males and females”[Gospel Principles, Chapter 2: Our Heavenly Family (2011).]

    Official Mormon Hymns:
    —“heavenly parents” [“Oh, What Songs of the Heart” (hymn #286)]
    —“heav'nly parents” [“We Meet Again As Sisters” (hymn #311)]
    —“...I've a mother there. .. Father, Mother, may I meet you In your royal courts on high?” [“O My Father” (hymn #292).]

    Mormon Authorities
    —Joseph Fielding Smith
    (Mormonism's 6th president-prophet): “God revealed that principle that we have a mother as well as a father in heaven to Joseph Smith; Joseph Smith revealed it to Eliza Snow Smith, his wife; and Eliza Snow was inspired, being a poet, to put it into verse.” “Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body” [Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith (1998), 335.]
    —Orson Pratt: “In the Heaven where our spirits were born, there are many gods, each one of whom has his own wife or wives... Each God, through his wife or wives, raises up a numerous family of sons and daughters;... As soon as each god has begotten many millions of male and female spirits …he sends both the male and female spirits to inhabit tabernacles of flesh and bones. … The inhabitants of each world are required to reverence, adore, and worship their own personal father who dwells in the heaven which they formerly inhabited.” [The Seer, 1853 (1990 ed.), vol. 1, 37.]
    —Spencer W. Kimball(Mormonism's 12th president-prophet): “queenly elegance of our Heavenly Mother, and knowing how profoundly our mortal mothers have shaped us here” [“The True Way of Life and Salvation,”Ensign (May 1978), 4.]
    —Brigham Young (Mormonism's 2nd president-prophet): [In articulating the controversial Adam-God doctrine] “I tell you more, Adam is the father of our spirits …our spirits and the spirits of all the heavenly family were begotten by Adam, and born of Eve. …I tell you, when you see your Father in the Heavens, you will see Adam; when you see your Mother that bore your spirit, you will see Mother Eve.” [Manuscript Address of Brigham Young, Oct 8, 1854.”]
    —Bruce R. McConkie (LDS 'General Authority'): “Implicit in the Christian verity that all men are the spirit children of an Eternal Father is the usually unspoken truth that they are also the offspring of an Eternal Mother. …This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed in plainness by the First Presidency of the Church… they said that ‘man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father,’ that man is the ‘offspring of celestial parentage,’ and that ‘all men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother, and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity’” [Mormon Doctrine (1979), 516.]

    GOD HAS SEX WITH HIS GODDESS WIFE/WIVES (PRODUCING CHILDREN)
    See here.

    JESUS/SATAN/OUR SPIRITS ARE ALL OFFSPRING OF HERS
    See here.1
     
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    Try being one who alone follows Christ, the response will be no less different, but I would rather follow Him than any man made religion
     
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    If anyone wants me to actually address any of this (vast majority of which don't even site actual LDS doctrinal quotes), feel free to ask. I'm tired of just replying to CI, only to be ignored by him/her.
     
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    Oh good grief. You totally keep avoiding and pretending the material I posted from Mormon sources proving exactly what I said.
     
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    Eternal for the future, not for the past, having been born by sex of the Mormon father and one of his wives.
     
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    It's hard to deny direct sources.
     
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