no accusations in there, bro, that i could see
Acording to you you recieve a message from the Holy Spirit and you check that message against the bible.
That means the bible is the Final authority.
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no accusations in there, bro, that i could see
Acording to you you recieve a message from the Holy Spirit and you check that message against the bible.
That means the bible is the Final authority.
why do you deem that an "accusation?" strikes me that a statement about you is being made, that you can either agree with or dispute, what's it gonna be?
do me a favor and keep your reply, ok, it would not make any sense to me anyway i guess.Oh, yes, absolutely, I confirm with the scriptures.
Because it implements me in his error. In other words, he was trying to trick me by using my own comments to justify his error...just as Satan did in the garden.why do you deem that an "accusation?" strikes me that a statement about you is being made, that you can either agree with or dispute, what's it gonna be?
more of your typical red herring bs, imo
do me a favor and keep your reply, ok, it would not make any sense to me anyway i guess.
? wth are you smoking, is my next Q. You are not implicated in any way, you either agree that you made the statement and you take it back, or you do not take it back, or you explain any apparent dichotomy between what you said and what we heard, or you digress, like you are doing right now.Because it implements me in his error.
Tell that to God, whom was quoted the same way by Satan.? wth are you smoking, is my next Q. You are not implicated in any way, you either agree that you made the statement and you take it back, or you do not take it back, or you explain any apparent dichotomy between what you said and what we heard, or you digress, like you are doing right now.
We often hear that the test of any comment or doctrine is scripture, and certainly it is a good test. It's just not the last word, nor is it the best test. Nor should it be considered our last line of defense. To do so, is to admit that we do not understand where we are in God's master plan of revelation, and that we do not have the Holy Spirit leading us unto all truth.
If we are under the impression that the scriptures are the final authority, the tie-breaker during these days...we are behind the times. Jesus made it clear that His "words are spirit." Moreover, by walking out the scriptures that were written of Him - He was put to death. You could say, what He did [by the word] according to the scriptures, was all that was humanly possible. For if a perfect Christ could not do perfectly according to the scriptures without being killed for it - there is nothing more or better that can be done. But, He did not leave it there.
Jesus told us exactly what the next phase was to be during these times - and it was not that we should keep referring back to the scriptures as the final say. No, after doing all that was humanly possible - in other words, by word, and by the scriptures - He very specifically stated that His last words would come as follows:
John 16:13
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."
Likewise, the apostle Paul wrote:
Hebrews 6:1-2
"Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."
Therefore, the scriptures, yes, even the elementary principles of Christ...once they are elementary to our learning - are to be "left" behind, that we may go on to "perfection"...which comes by "the Spirit of truth", or not at all.
So...as we enter into discussion here, please know that the scriptures only go so far in determining "all truth" and the last word.
a very unscriptural post.yes because His words are Spirit and they are life, not dried up ink on the pages of a book, you wont find life in the bible it is in Jesus.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
and so men have no life, as for the bible all the religions of this world and these forums are testament to the confusion that reigns by men who place it above and before God Himself, God is not the author of confusion, 44000 religious denominations who preach the bible and a different gospel cant be wrong ..can they???
Gods world will never die, for if it did, we would no longer exist. even when the bible is no longer His word will still be alive.
This is what Catholics believe. But it is not true.If we are under the impression that the scriptures are the final authority, the tie-breaker during these days...we are behind the times.
What about:That being said, there is no verse I know of that promises we are going to receive all truth as in special revelation as the Apostles
No, you don't have that right either. They think Peter was the Rock of ages, and that they alone carry the water of the gospel of Truth, through a succession of men of flesh.This is what Catholics believe. But it is not true.
I don't know where I was when this discussion started, but I would've jumped on some points here.Therefore, the scriptures, yes, even the elementary principles of Christ...once they are elementary to our learning - are to be "left" behind, that we may go on to "perfection"...which comes by "the Spirit of truth", or not at all.
"Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ,
Therefore, the scriptures, yes, even the elementary principles of Christ...once they are elementary to our learning - are to be "left" behind,
I don't know where I was when this discussion started, but I would've jumped on some points here.
I notice in your quotation of Hebrews 6 you included the word "discussion":
What I noticed is that you later said:
The scripture you quoted didn't say we are leave behind (abandon?) The elementary principles. It says we are to leave the discussion of it. They are the foundation. You cannot leave the foundation. Once the foundation is solid, then you can build on it.
Now then, what are you going to build on that foundation, knowing that if the foundation can't support it, it will fail?
We often hear that the test of any comment or doctrine is scripture, and certainly it is a good test. It's just not the last word, nor is it the best test.
2 Peter 1:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
All things, get it? Anything you hear from the spirit has to either repeat scripture or agree with it. Either that or it does not pertain unto life and godliness.
My point was not unlike your own...or Paul's. That point, however, was that we are not to continue or remain mulling over the elementary principles, as some would have us do. But rather to literally "leave" them and "press on." Which is not to say that they are to be abandoned. But just as Jesus went to the Father, leaving the world without leaving us, we too are to be about leaving the world and "following" Jesus, which must be done "in spirit", for God is spirit, and that is all that Jesus committed to the Father in going to Him. All of which is the greater point of Paul's discussion, and mine.I don't know where I was when this discussion started, but I would've jumped on some points here.
I notice in your quotation of Hebrews 6 you included the word "discussion":
What I noticed is that you later said:
The scripture you quoted didn't say we are leave behind (abandon?) The elementary principles. It says we are to leave the discussion of it. They are the foundation. You cannot leave the foundation. Once the foundation is solid, then you can build on it.
Now then, what are you going to build on that foundation, knowing that if the foundation can't support it, it will fail?
Fair enough, and I agree. Thanks for the clarification.My point was not unlike your own...or Paul's. That point, however, was that we are not to continue or remain mulling over the elementary principles, as some would have us do. But rather to literally "leave" them and "press on." Which is not to say that they are to be abandoned. But just as Jesus went to the Father, leaving the world without leaving us, we to are to be about leaving the world and "following" Jesus, which must be done "in spirit", for God is spirit, and that is all that Jesus committed to the Father in going to Him. All of which is the greater point of Paul's discussion, and mine.