Defending Homosexuality

[Ezra]

Under the old, obsolete 1st covenant, the watchman was needed. Jesus now fills that role.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not (even) look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

your theology is to far out in left field for me...all i can say is a totally disagree with you

 

[Ezra]

My uncle recently passed after 30 years in ministry. He was the least born-again man you have ever met.

not even going there hope u find home plate

 

[oldhermit]

I think you really know better than that. All you are doing is trying to find some way to rationalize sinful behavior. If that is what you are doing, I have no intention of wasting my time with you. We have a clear mandate from the Lord regarding our responsibility to the sinner.
"If any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins." James 5:20-21. This requires confronting the behavior.
"I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one." 1 Cor. 5:13. This requires separating ourselves from those in the body who engage such things.
There are may other such passages but if you will not believe these, then the others will be of no benefit to you either.

 

[oldhermit]

My uncle recently passed after 30 years in ministry. He was the least born-again man you have ever met.

Sounds to me like you are judging your uncle according to his behavior. Isn't that what you have been telling us not to do.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

When did you become qualified to judge?

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

We are only told to judge individuals within the church (see 1 Corinthians 12-13). In fact, we have a responsibility to judge them. God is the judge of those outside the churches. But, we are also told to be "salt and light" in our culture--thus, denouncing sin in general.

 

[SkyWriting]

I think you really know better than that. All you are doing is trying to find some way to rationalize sinful behavior. If that is what you are doing, I have no intention of wasting my time with you. We have a clear mandate from the Lord regarding our responsibility to the sinner.
"If any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins." James 5:20-21. This requires confronting the behavior.
"I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one." 1 Cor. 5:13. This requires separating ourselves from those in the body who engage such things.
There are may other such passages but if you will not believe these, then the others will be of no benefit to you either.

All passages where the writer is not treating others the same as they would wish to be treated themselves, fails to be from a mature Christian.

 

[oldhermit]

All passages where the writer is not treating others the same as they would wish to be treated themselves, fails to be from a mature Christian.

LOL...Are you suggesting Paul and James were not mature Christians? Sounds to me like you are passing judgment on these two apostles yourself.

 

[SkyWriting]

Sounds to me like you are judging your uncle according to his behavior. Isn't that what you have been telling us not to do.

Every family member has the same opinion, but indeed, Jesus is the final judge of his behavior.
If I accept your methods, then my uncle is in Hell. But I don't accept the external judgment
of you or anyone else as to what God sees in the Heart.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

All passages where the writer is not treating others the same as they would wish to be treated themselves, fails to be from a mature Christian.

I would hope that someone who loved me would point to a behavior that is sinful and ask me to stop doing it.

 

[SkyWriting]

LOL...Are you suggesting Paul and James were not mature Christians? Sounds to me like you are passing judgment on these two apostles yourself.

Paul's conversion story is very unique. As in, completely unique. As in, missing some components people claim are needed for conversion.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

All passages where the writer is not treating others the same as they would wish to be treated themselves, fails to be from a mature Christian.

And what qualifies YOU to be the judge of who is and who is not a "mature Christian"?

 

[SkyWriting]

I would hope that someone who loved me would point to a behavior that is sinful and ask me to stop doing it.

So you are inviting my judgment on you then? Based on outward appearances? I'll go over all your posts and let you know what I find.

 

[oldhermit]

Every family member has the same opinion, but indeed, Jesus is the final judge of his behavior.
If I accept your methods, then my uncle is in Hell. But I don't accept the external judgment
of you or anyone else as to what God sees in the Heart.

That doesn't seem to stop you from judging his behavior.

 

[SkyWriting]

And what qualifies YOU to be the judge of who is and who is not a "mature Christian"?

If they fail to follow the golden rule of course.

 

[SkyWriting]

That doesn't seem to stop you from judging his behavior.

I've always been willing to offer my opinion on the behavior of others.
But sins against God are invisible.

 

[oldhermit]

Paul's conversion story is very unique. As in, completely unique. As in, missing some components people claim are needed for conversion.

The uniqueness of Paul's conversion does not subtract from the fact that what he wrote in ALL of his letters was from the Holy Spirit.

 

[SkyWriting]

The uniqueness of Paul's conversion does not subtract from the fact that what he wrote in ALL of his letters was from the Holy Spirit.

I think it does. Motivation is a key ingredient.

I have another rule of thumb in this analysis.
God's Holy Spirit does not depend on one writer for His Key truths.
A bunch of Paul's writings fail this test.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Paul's conversion story is very unique. As in, completely unique. As in, missing some components people claim are needed for conversion.

Typical strategy of homosexual activists in the churches--undermining the Apostle Paul so that they can try to convince Christians that they don't have to pay attention to Paul's condemnation of homosexual behavior in the churches.

 

[oldhermit]

I think it does. Motivation is a key ingredient.

Then you do not regard Paul's writings as scripture given to him from the Holy Spirit?

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

I think it does. Motivation is a key ingredient.

Nonsense. Where did you go to learn your "theology"?