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If you would Quote the v that leads you that way we could take a look. I would but i can't quite recall the keywords

Nancy said:
"In other words, what we are now living (humans) has already happened in Gods view"

Isaiah 46:10
"I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'

Isaiah 41:4
Who has performed this and carried it out, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--the first and the last--I am He."

So if God sees everything from the beginning to the end...then, well I suppose it means exactly that?
And, there is always Psalm 39... Where would we go? ♥
39:16 "you saw my body as it was formed.
All the days planned for me were written in your book before I was one day old."
 

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GINOLJC, to all
but imo "God" will always stay God that way, and prolly never become Father in your thought?
as you said, "that's your right to your opinion", I just by what the bible says.
I understand, and my reply is that translations are undertaken by scribes, servants, and there is nothing wrong with starting there, but finishing there? After you discover Lex and then Inter? Enter, imo. "Good translation" is arbitration by you, right, see now i got two ppl between me and Father lol
is this not with you..... :D
Qualified statements, g, in my opinion, this is my guess, i don't know expressed however ok
why guess, when you have the answers before your face :eek:
well see as soon as you say Lord i hear the law of sin and death, which i could even Quote for them other guys, right, you could too?
as you said your op. but when I hear "Lord" ..... salvation assured. mot law. only if your mindset is on the law you will hear law. hense ... "RENEW" your mind.o_O
keep up the good work,

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I think we need to spend some time to let each lesson sink in before proceeding to the next level.
Agree! Can't skip or take shortcuts.
Elementary though it may seem, imo it takes both the desire of our heart to turn to Him by faith and to keep turning and returning, learning to die to all things along the way, until we exist only in Him. As SBG pointed out w/script...He gives the desire. And the faith. But our part is in the willingness? To go through whatever it takes to get There? To whomsoever will…but He is the judge as to how much we can take.

Love this:

Episkopos said:
I think that the purpose of engaging in Christian conversation and debate is that we might one day say this...
Is. 50:4 The Lord God hath given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as the learned. We are to both to speak and listen for edification of the inner man of faith.
After all, our postings may be being monitored by God. ;)
 
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being put on the spot
yall could use a witness i guess, a third, even a couple or few maybe, i tried but i kept having to trackback further and further, sorry, needs to be by those who have been following better there i guess.

I'm doing hit and runs right now, not really how i'd prefer to be involved in a thread like this tbh
 

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So, you prefer to rely on an English scribe rather than consult a Lexicon that can expound on the original and like remove the Middle Man, men, and i'm instigating a ploy here to steer others to
men's truth?
first thanks for the reply, second, I rely on the Holy Ghost. we suggest you do too. Lexicons and dictionaries are a help but not the total answer. again we say get the Holy Ghost.
and imo no, the Spirit does not Read, we do?
Oh he cain't "READ" your heart? .... :p
Pls interpret the following if you would; "Stay here for the present."
This concludes today's um rant about why you cannot read Word, ty
never interpert nothing youself.....:rolleyes: but you can talk to yourself, but just don't answer back ....... ;)
ah well that comes by Hearing, right
only?, let's see, Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith". then one add to it, see 2 Peter 1:5 and hearing is one way to add to it. hence the reason you should get off those other translation because you will build faith for the wrong thing. ....... :(
Recognizing that i am somewhat abusing your intent there, but really not, see; why wouldn't you have said, or i mean why don't we say "Have a heart to heart listen with "God?" do you think?
first you're not abusing nothing, because we take no offense, see Luke 23:34. second, talk, yes, get all your nonsense out, and then listen. for a full loaded wagon of nonesense cannot take on board the truth of God, hence the Old man, (nonsense) need to be dumped. come to god empty so that you can be fully loaded with his truth. :cool:

last thing, in case your wagon began to get loaded again with nonesense, "BREAK GLASS" and get the kjv out and go to God in prayer to be filled.

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And as far as paying attention to the Signs of the end of the world as we know it, I do that also.
Leave the world, imo, which by that i mean pretty much stop paying attn to those at all, or at east a certain kind of attn imo, worship prolly. Don't take that wrong ok, i still find myself getting um harpazoed there too sometimes--little rapture joke there fuh ya--most recently got um caught up in bitcoin, so i um left it, but only after many comments that I did not...hear
 

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Nancy said:
"In other words, what we are now living (humans) has already happened in Gods view"

Isaiah 46:10
"I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'

Isaiah 41:4
Who has performed this and carried it out, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--the first and the last--I am He."

So if God sees everything from the beginning to the end...then, well I suppose it means exactly that?
And, there is always Psalm 39... Where would we go? ♥
39:16 "you saw my body as it was formed.
All the days planned for me were written in your book before I was one day old."
ah, ya, that one. Ok imo "making the end known" is not the same--dang, gotta run, brb
 
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ah, ya, that one. Ok imo "making the end known" is not the same--dang, gotta run, brb

It's not that God is making the end known to us (at least not in full, yet) but it is that God already KNOWS what will/has taken place.
Remember, we're talking about what GOD sees here...not us, so much.
 

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Leave the world, imo, which by that i mean pretty much stop paying attn to those at all, or at east a certain kind of attn imo, worship prolly. Don't take that wrong ok, i still find myself getting um harpazoed there too sometimes--little rapture joke there fuh ya--most recently got um caught up in bitcoin, so i um left it, but only after many comments that I did not...hear

I would rather say, to be NOT "OF" this world;
IS about NOT following the Corruption "OF" this world;
IS about Instead choosing to Follow after Christ Jesus.
IS about Submitting (basically) Authorizing God to Spiritually Enter a man and with Gods Power, TO KEEP the man Committed to God.

IOW without Gods Power, a natural man is TOO WEAK, To NOT fall into the Temptations of Corruption.

Men are greedy, AND men are lazy.
Some men want, want, want and are willing to WORK for what they want.
some men want, want, want and are willing to STEAL what another has WORKED, labored, bought, developed, cared for.

And some men will Recognize what another Does and MIMIC them, to Gain what the other HAS...

Some men will mimic the Workers.
Some men will mimic the Thief.

One is Righteous.
One is Corrupt.

But Yet Each is enjoying what they HAVE.

Until the Thief comes along and Steals it.

And whether it is the Righteous or the Thief...
Neither Wants what they Have to be Stolen.

IOW even a Thief, KNOWS it is Wrong to Steal.

Glory to God,
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k on the run now so maybe like shooting from teh hip, but
I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'
"what I said will happen, present tense"

calling forth the generations from the beginning?
the generations that were, are, and are yet to come--even within you imo btw--definitely. But how does that mean that has already happened? Even to God? Dont we deem that prophecy? Does that mean that it somehow "already happened as far as God is concerned?" Imo it means that God knows "it" will happen, based upon ones frame of mind and actions therof imo, but does that mean that the actions, the generations have literally occurred? Particularly in the context of Understand I AM?

So if God sees everything from the beginning to the end...then, well I suppose it means exactly that?
well...mom sees pretty much the same way, i guess, huh. "I already know; he's gonna go ______." Does that mean that he has already done it?
 

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I just by what the bible says.
well, or you maybe By something else, wadr.
See in order for you to say that you must first testify that you are picking up all the Bible is laying down, right?
Are you?
i mean, no offense meant ok, but you have already admitted to accepting other's xlations (and thus interps, as those are all those are) as Gospel, right? Are there no xlations of any vv you disagree with? Ever?
Ty
"Good translation" is arbitration by you, right, see now i got two ppl between me and Father lol
is this not with you..... :D
come again?
why guess, when you have the answers before your face :eek:
ok, ty "God," i gotta um run, have a nice day ok
he who says he knows, does not
 
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It's not that God is making the end known to us (at least not in full, yet) but it is that God already KNOWS what will/has taken place.
Remember, we're talking about what GOD sees here...not us, so much.
well wadr i thought we were talking about stuff that had not happened yet as already having happened as far as God is concerned? And fwiw i can even agree in a sense, but imo this might easily lead to a false conclusion, that being that they have already happened with us, and in that same vein with God, which i cant agree with. I know the distinction seems maybe pedantic, but what i'm hearing goes something like this;
"God is omniscient=everything has already happened," which i just dont see support for wadr. Does time exist? Well, yes and no, right? And it seems that um One Being's concept of Time is being used to forward a pov in the other frame of reference, or something
 
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well wadr i thought we were talking about stuff that had not happened yet as already having happened as far as God is concerned? And fwiw i can even agree in a sense, but imo this might easily lead to a false conclusion, that being that they have already happened with us, and in that same vein with God, which i cant agree with. I know the distinction seems maybe pedantic, but what i'm hearing goes something like this;
"God is omniscient=everything has already happened," which i just dont see support for wadr. Does time exist? Well, yes and no, right? And it seems that um One Being's concept of Time is being used to forward a pov in the other frame of reference, or something

God is outside of time. We are not. Right? Okay then. We being humans-broken at that, are not IRL, living in eternity where "time" does not exist?
Psalm 90:4
Do you not believe that God is timeless?
Ecclesiastes 3:11 "He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end."
"... this might easily lead to a false conclusion, that being that they have already happened with us"
Only if it is taken out of context, IMHO. I was trying to get across that ONLY God knows the end from the beginning. You can google that script. ;) In God's view, it is already a done deal?
Oh, never mind, lol : "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please" (Isaiah 46:9-10).

"God is omniscient=everything has already happened," which i just dont see support for wadr."
Do you not believe that He (not US!) sees everything that has and will happen? "The end from the beginning...of time.







 
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Isaiah, anyway, yeh?
I dunno :) I don’t think so. have greatly desired to be able one day to speak a Word, more than carefully-formed words of testimony/witness.
love your see-through-thought-provoking posts though...the ones i think i understand :)
you should see what i had to edit to get here
 
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