Good News?

[prism]

If we really are in any measure really believers in God and His Son, there some things we really do know and some things we only believe that we know. Herein lies probably the difference between various believers in God and in the various denominations. We are unable to always know which ones are definitely known as opposed to those that are only believed.

I gave you examples of what I would be certain and uncertain, but your last sentence was incoherent and vague.

The individual who never quenches the Holy Spirit will never lack for the right words or the right time to remain silent... The problem is most or even all churches [denominations] regularly teach and practice quenching the Holy Spirit in their services and in their walk with God. As a result when they do go astray they quite often are deluded because they have come to love all of that which they hold out as truth rather than what truth really is. Who has never quenched the Holy Spirit since they first met God? Who has always in every moment and every decision since meeting God has never sinned? Do our past correct actions according to God assure us that we will never make another mistake [sin again]?

I hope I never gave the impression that I am sinless, or have pure doctrine, but rather each and everyone ought to stand firm on their convictions

And neither you nor I have ever opened our mouth to speak when God really wanted us to remain silent, right?

I can't speak for you, but that is a swinging door for me. I have spoken when I should not have, and was silent when I should have spoken.

Yes, Jesus is the Truth, but how well do any one of us know Him? How well do we see Him now... or are we along with Paul when he wrote I Cor 13 still seeing as through a glass darkly? When we step out in faith toward that which we cannot see, is it not best to be sure we are following the Holy Spirit rather than some other spirit? Anyone who ever quenches the Holy Spirit is likely at times to be following some blind leader in a ditch... or?

Knowing Him first starts with being born again, deeper knowledge comes with time, grace, grasping His Word and hard knocks, and yes it is a growth process culminating in Phil 3:10.

We are not speaking of Paul who has already finished course, but you and I who are still walking. When we are blind and/or deaf how far astray can we go it alone supposedly toward Him? Paul did not claim flawless vison here, did he?

No but neither do I.

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

Are we now seeing more clearly than Paul was when he wrote those words or than he did as he continued his walk toward the end of his course?

No one is claiming to see more clearly than Paul except those who deviate from Scripture.
I will not use 1Cor 13:12 as an excuse to say 'well we don't see clearly, so can't know or shouldn't strive after what is truth, that is not Paul's intention. The devil would love to confuse truth with error by convincing people that truth is unattainable.

 

[aspen]

True, but what I was saying was, 'some people' , by their posts, do not like the Good News...and decry those who do.
Even though there are hundreds of other threads to chirp in...they just have to try and pull the plug on anything good or positive...turning it negative. .

It is uncanny

 

[prism]

It’s not Biblical love. It is hedonism and controlling behavior

Neither is the sloppy agape that discounts truth and denigrates Scripture. Those individuals are a set up to fall for a cult.

 

[tzcho2]

Bit dramatic, don’t you think? Grotesque caricatures and prejudices! Wow! You got that from “something tells me .......”

I think you might be shortsighted about the faults of your team - is that true? And have you ever been to an Emergent Church?

You're opinions of conservatives is like Hillary's , sorry to say. Not being dramatic. Your "In my day, we flogged ourselves and beat the joy and happiness out of every snowflake! AND WE LIKED IT!...saying It represents your attitude towards yourself and Christians who do not believe as you do" That is what you state you believe about conservative Christians.
Is a grotesque miscaricature of conservative christians.

 

[aspen]

But their victims don't know the difference. I've seen it too. Oh, and not always hedonism. They can maintain a high "religious" standard.

I lived with a "love" cult for a short time, they claimed to be the New Israel. Taught straight from Scripture!

Much love!

Sure! I get it. Love can and is counterfeited constantly. False love is false gospel and it tricks people as much or more than false doctrine

 

[Nancy]

@prism



Praise the Lord for your time spent with Him. I am glad that you always recognize His voice and hopefully pay close attention when you do.


If we really are in any measure really believers in God and His Son, there some things we really do know and some things we only believe that we know. Herein lies probably the difference between various believers in God and in the various denominations. We are unable to always know which ones are definitely known as opposed to those that are only believed.

The individual who never quenches the Holy Spirit will never lack for the right words or the right time to remain silent... The problem is most or even all churches [denominations] regularly teach and practice quenching the Holy Spirit in their services and in their walk with God. As a result when they do go astray they quite often are deluded because they have come to love all of that which they hold out as truth rather than what truth really is. Who has never quenched the Holy Spirit since they first met God? Who has always in every moment and every decision since meeting God has never sinned? Do our past correct actions according to God assure us that we will never make another mistake [sin again]?




God's time? "... nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39




And neither you nor I have ever opened our mouth to speak when God really wanted us to remain silent, right?



Yes, Jesus is the Truth, but how well do any one of us know Him? How well do we see Him now... or are we along with Paul when he wrote I Cor 13 still seeing as through a glass darkly? When we step out in faith toward that which we cannot see, is it not best to be sure we are following the Holy Spirit rather than some other spirit? Anyone who ever quenches the Holy Spirit is likely at times to be following some blind leader in a ditch... or?


Certainly, proclaim the Truth, Jesus, when you know him, but how well do any of us know him when we are in the midst of a stumble or we have been quenching the Holy Spirit?

We are not speaking of Paul who has already finished course, but you and I who are still walking. When we are blind and/or deaf how far astray can we go it alone supposedly toward Him? Paul did not claim flawless vison here, did he?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

Are we now seeing more clearly than Paul was when he wrote those words or than he did as he continued his walk toward the end of his course?

" is it not best to be sure we are following the Holy Spirit rather than some other spirit? " Oh our Good God YES! Just think of the implications! We are still human and are prone to rash decisions and "certainty's"
I KNOW if I am walking in His Spirit and it is NOT (oh so unfortunately) -24/7. I certainly STRIVE for that and come closer as I grow and become disciplined, but I hurt when I grieve the Holy Spirit as I have spoken/typed out of turn, only to regret what I said or wrote later. Regret because I found myself in error because I was SO SURE! I realized, and learned that I was not at all IN the Spirit at the time. Hmm, hindsight. It can be very humbling, lol.
Don't you want to know only Him? Be in RELATIONSHIP with Him? I do, and I bet you all do too. Let's follow "The Way", IN LOVE, and we will all one day meet face to face. Isn't that the Gospel after all? I'm sorry, being lazy not citing scripture. But, so what...is there a law on this forum saying we must do that in all posts? Lol ♥

 

[aspen]

Neither is the sloppy agape that discounts truth and denigrates Scripture. Those individuals are a set up to fall for a cult.

Fair enough, but don’t confuse it with Christian love, which is not the same thing as standing firm in your conviction or hammering doctrine into people’s skulls

 

[farouk]

Video blocked here...but I'm sure it sounds good...

 

[marks]

Video blocked here...but I'm sure it sounds good...

Hillsong . . . Victor's Crown

"You are always fighting for us
Heaven's angels all around
My delight is found in knowing
That You wear the Victor's crown
You're my help and my defender
You're my Savior and my friend
By Your grace I live and breathe to worship You . . ."

 

[tzcho2]

Have you attended an Emergent Church?

Yes.

 

[prism]

Ive just been scrolling through the posts since last night.

I noticed how quickly a positive thread was turned into 'Bad News.'

But, God sees the hearts , and He recognises the hearts which reflect Himself.

I guess I had the honors of kicking off that 'bad news' with this pinch of reality...

Joh 3:16-17)
"But when satan lifts his head in accusation against God's Word, through others, I won't sit silent."...followed by a challenge from Aspen.

 

[prism]

Fair enough, but don’t confuse it with Christian love, which is not the same thing as standing firm in your conviction or hammering doctrine into people’s skulls

Thanks for the caricature. Any more cartoons? LOL
What convictions aren't we to stand firm in?

 

[tzcho2]

I guess I had the honors of kicking off that 'bad news' with this pinch of reality...

Joh 3:16-17)
"But when satan lifts his head in accusation against God's Word, through others, I won't sit silent."...followed by a challenge from Aspen.

Oh but Prism, "reality" like sound doctrine is just too hard! It's a downer, it's bad news.
It's not playful and fun--it's all too dogmatic, and inflexible and doesn't feel all welcoming like what some equate love with.
The Bible scripture aka, the Truth is turned away from in the new politically correct inclusive spirituality, truth is optional--some named the Emergent church anything goes but the orthodox teachings. ....conservative Christians need not apply.

 

[aspen]

Anyone have examples from their lives of loving others through service? Or receiving love?

 

[marks]

One thing, when I start to perceive that someone is being mean spirited, or is running me in circles, or such, I drop out. I'll check back later to see if there is a discussion to be had.

But I have to admit, there are some teachings I find crippling to living the abundant life, and I do constantly want to show those errors, and show a better way.

Some who have held these positions for a long time can come to a better understanding, and find the peace, and the power, and the intimacy that they've wanted all along.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Anyone have examples from their lives of loving others through service? Or receiving love?

I've been volunteering at an assisted living home, that has everyone from someone needing a little help, to someone who has severe and paranoid dementia.

Loving those who are all over the map! One learns to have a thick skin, a soft heart, and flexibility!

By love serve one another. What does one another need?

Much love!

 

[aspen]

One thing, when I start to perceive that someone is being mean spirited, or is running me in circles, or such, I drop out. I'll check back later to see if there is a discussion to be had.

But I have to admit, there are some teachings I find crippling to living the abundant life, and I do constantly want to show those errors, and show a better way.

Some who have held these positions for a long time can come to a better understanding, and find the peace, and the power, and the intimacy that they've wanted all along.

Much love!

Yeah, it really is an exercise in detachment. Not holding onto that need to be understood or to convince others, like a dog holding onto a bone.....good point

 

[aspen]

I've been volunteering at an assisted living home, that has everyone from someone needing a little help, to someone how has severe and paranoid dementia.

Loving those who are all over the map! One learns to have a thick skin, a soft heart, and flexibility!

By love serve one another. What does one another need?

Much love!

Cool! Yes, I am a hospice volunteer so we are working with the same population at different stages of life

 

[marks]

Yeah, it really is an exercise in detachment. Not holding onto that need to be understood or to convince others, like a dog holding onto a bone.....good point

That kind of mindset also helps if you do actually want to learn something also!

 

[Hisman]

I guess I had the honors of kicking off that 'bad news' with this pinch of reality...

Joh 3:16-17)
"But when satan lifts his head in accusation against God's Word, through others, I won't sit silent."...followed by a challenge from Aspen.

God is well able to look after His Words.

I se so many who seem to somehow believe that the bible says -

"In the beginning was the bible, and the bible was with God, and the bible was God."

The bible is not part of the godhead...even though many have raised it up as if it is!! The Word of God is part of the godhead!!!

If you really think that you can in any way defend Gods Words for Him...that is a very high opinion of yourself. News flash , God does it quite well, and has done so for thousands of years.
Banning, burning, or whatever. God has His own guardianship,and it is not US!!