MARK 6:3 DID JESUS HAVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS ?

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Rollo Tamasi

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Ya know, you're not very bright if you think I'm a Jehovah's witness.

As for your first idiotic comment in RED - I wasn't trying to "separate" anything. I was correcting you on your ignorance of their Bible translation (NWT), which you incorrectly referred to as "Watchtower".

Do your homework next time and I won't have to correct you . . .
okay, you take me to your Jehovah's Witnesses church....
 

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Ya know, you're not very bright if you think I'm a Jehovah's witness.

As for your first idiotic comment in RED - I wasn't trying to "separate" anything. I was correcting you on your ignorance of their Bible translation (NWT), which you incorrectly referred to as "Watchtower".

Do your homework next time and I won't have to correct you . . .
It's like calling you a romanist.
You can't find it in the title anywhere but everyone knows it's there.
 
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In other words - you CAN'T show me ONE verse of Scriptures that says what YOU claim:
That Jesus had brothers & sisters born from Mary & husband Joseph.

Let me give you a little advice: DON'T make claims about Scripture that aren't there. God will PUNISH you for it.
Don't be silly.
God doesn't punish you like that.
Maybe he does that to you because you are a romanist.
 
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WRONG again.

I have destroyed every argument against Mary's Perpetual Virginity that some of your fellow anti-Catholics have presented.
YOU have presented nothing . . .
That's some strong delusion, bud. :rolleyes:
 

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One must have a understanding of the meaning of the word brother. In the original text of the gospel, we find the Greek word adelphos, meaning brothers, used. However, adelphos does not just mean blood brothers born of the same parents. Rather, adelphos was used to describe brothers not born of the same parents, like a half-brother or step-brother. The word also described other relationships like cousins, nephews, uncles, etc. For example in Genesis 13:8 and 14:14-16, the word adelphos was used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot; however, these two men did not share a blood brother relationship, but one of uncle and nephew. Another instance is that of Laban, who was an adelphos to Jacob, not as a brother, but as an uncle.

The theory that Jesus had brothers is a 500 year Protestant tradition
Hi MM
I'm just looking around and came upon this.
Some years ago I did a nice study on this....It's not
as easy as all of us make it out to be.

It's rather complicated and I can't remember too much,
but I just want to say that even some Catholic theologians
believe that Jesus COULD have had brothers. It depends on
how they spoke back then...how the relationships were spoken of...
the verses in the bible.

I've come to the conclusion that I take no stand.

If Jesus had brothers,,,why did He leave His mother to John?

If someone could answer that....it might help me along my way.
 
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Jesus' brothers and sisters. The Gospel of Mark (Mark 6:3) and the Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 13:55-56) mention James, Joseph/Joses, Jude and Simon as brothers of Jesus, the son of Mary. The same verses also mention unnamed sisters of Jesus.

Matthew 12:46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.
47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”

49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
The language here tells me that yes indeed, he did have biological siblings.

John 7:3 "Jesus’ brothers said to him, “Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do."
So we see that not only the disciples are being referred to here too.
 

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Jesus' brothers and sisters. The Gospel of Mark (Mark 6:3) and the Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 13:55-56) mention James, Joseph/Joses, Jude and Simon as brothers of Jesus, the son of Mary. The same verses also mention unnamed sisters of Jesus.

Matthew 12:46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.
47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”

49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
The language here tells me that yes indeed, he did have biological siblings.

John 7:3 "Jesus’ brothers said to him, “Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do."
So we see that not only the disciples are being referred to here too.
Some theologians believe they were the children of Joseph since he was so much older than Mary.

I would tend toward the fact that they were brothers.
But what about what I had mentioned up above?
Why would Jesus command John to care for His mother if He had brothers or sisters that could do this?
 
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Some theologians believe they were the children of Joseph since he was so much older than Mary.

I would tend toward the fact that they were brothers.
But what about what I had mentioned up above?
Why would Jesus command John to care for His mother if He had brothers or sisters that could do this?

I did think about what you said about your last sentence. I have nothing at my fingertips to cite anything on this, but I did at one time read something pertaining to this very thing and, it was said that Jesus's siblings were not believers until later on. So, that could be the reason, or it could just be that He simply, like us, referred to all all of His followers as true family? Dunno...just a thought.
 
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I did think about what you said about your last sentence. I have nothing at my fingertips to cite anything on this, but I did at one time read something pertaining to this very thing and, it was said that Jesus's siblings were not believers until later on. So, that could be the reason, or it could just be that He simply, like us, referred to all all of His followers as true family? Dunno...just a thought.
Great thoughts.
Also, John happened to be there. Jesus' mother WAS a disciple of His.
You're right about His brothers...even James did not believe Jesus was the Messiah at the time of Jesus' ministry.

For me, it just became something too complicated to think about that had nothing to do with salvation. So after some study on the subject, I just kind of gave up.
:oops:
 
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Great thoughts.
Also, John happened to be there. Jesus' mother WAS a disciple of His.
You're right about His brothers...even James did not believe Jesus was the Messiah at the time of Jesus' ministry.

For me, it just became something too complicated to think about that had nothing to do with salvation. So after some study on the subject, I just kind of gave up.
:oops:

"So after some study on the subject, I just kind of gave up.
:oops:"

I hear you there. I have given up on many things of interest that is not imperative to salvation. Just out of curiosity, I will take some time on various subjects but, it is not important in the large scheme of things.
Interesting perhaps but, not core. ♥
 
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If Jesus had brothers,,,why did He leave His mother to John?

If someone could answer that....it might help me along my way.
that's a Good question. but may we ask a question to your question, "why was NOT the Lord's BROTHERS there at the cross. this might put a different perspective on your question.

but as for taking her into his home, the kjv don't say that. it just said, John 19:27 "Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home". home here is in Italic in the kjv, meaning it not of the original transcript. people assumed this.

but another point, the apostle Paul called Timothy his "son", which he was not biologically. but stated his "son" in the gospel. so looking at that I cannot say at this time if he care for her phyically or spiritually. that's a GOOD question. I'll be keeping an eye out for any information that might shed some light on your question.

PICJAG.
 
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that's a Good question. but may we ask a question to your question, "why was NOT the Lord's BROTHERS there at the cross. this might put a different perspective on your question.

but as for taking her into his home, the kjv don't say that. it just said, John 19:27 "Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home". home here is in Italic in the kjv, meaning it not of the original transcript. people assumed this.

but another point, the apostle Paul called Timothy his "son", which he was not biologically. but stated his "son" in the gospel. so looking at that I cannot say at this time if he care for her phyically or spiritually. that's a GOOD question. I'll be keeping an eye out for any information that might shed some light on your question.

PICJAG.
Hi 101
The other apostles were not at the cross out of fear that they might also be condemned with Jesus. They were probably hiding at the home of Martha and Mary...and Lazarus.

Why did you think this was important? I don't think it has too much bearing on the matter...just my opinion.

If you find out anything interesting..please post it.
 

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some old guy !
the idea of lets say James being from an earlier marriage of Joseph presents a problem
so ; we have 5 kids -- from an earlier marriage
James is the oldest
so how much older is James than Jesus ?
why does this matter ?
some old guy ( James is now hanging out with this much younger crowd ; the disciples ? )
are not his brothers and sisters here with us ( should these ""older 5 " by now have established families of their own ? )
my view :
i think this points to James , jude etc being younger than Jesus
this would make them coming from Mary
another note :
if Mary was so young when marriage
how would these "older 5 " take to her ?

just a view i never see talked about
 
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some old guy !
the idea of lets say James being from an earlier marriage of Joseph presents a problem
so ; we have 5 kids -- from an earlier marriage
James is the oldest
so how much older is James than Jesus ?
why does this matter ?
some old guy ( James is now hanging out with this much younger crowd ; the disciples ? )
are not his brothers and sisters here with us ( should these ""older 5 " by now have established families of their own ? )
my view :
i think this points to James , jude etc being younger than Jesus
this would make them coming from Mary
another note :
if Mary was so young when marriage
how would these "older 5 " take to her ?

just a view i never see talked about
I see that @Pearl gave you a like,
but I don't even understand what you said!

Why would there have had to be such a big difference?
Mary was about 15/16
Maybe Joseph was 25 to 30.
He could have had small children when he married Mary.
That wouldn't work out for you?
Please explain in a different way.

We all know that these brothers of Jesus really did not understand who He was, right?
 

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lets examine that
so joseph marries a new wife mary
how long was his wife dead ?
lets say 5 years --who knows but for example sake
making child #5 and joseph 25 at the age ( just using your example )
child #4 say 2 years earlier ; making joseph 23 at that time
child #3 say 2 years earlier ; making joseph 21
child #4 sday 2 years ; and joseph 19
child #5 james same 2 years and joseph 17

now ; the example would then hint at james being 17 years younger than joseph and mary being 13 years younger than joseph
that james is 4 years younger than mary ?

see the issue ?
 
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Hi 101
The other apostles were not at the cross out of fear that they might also be condemned with Jesus. They were probably hiding at the home of Martha and Mary...and Lazarus.

Why did you think this was important? I don't think it has too much bearing on the matter...just my opinion.

If you find out anything interesting..please post it.
thanks for the response. as you said, it seem the women had more courage than most of the men. it's in the scriptures that the Lord Brothers and Sisters AT FIRST believe not in his ministry. as for importance, "LOVE" ... for it the best Gift. I have seem men, (who natural mother had passed on), take up a mother in Law or just a widow woman (who have no family left or not) and took them up as their own, as if he was their own son. I have seen this with my own eyes. and the disciple who was there was "beloved" by the Lord, and may have, don't hold me to this, but may have believe that he would be a good choice to support his (mother) either in a physical or spiritual way of support. for the Lord Jesus did say, "who is my mother, and who is my brother" . just an oponion ok.

and yes, if I do find something releating to this I will let you know.

again thanks for the question.

PICJAG.