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Featured MARK 6:3 DID JESUS HAVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS ?

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  1. Rollo Tamasi

    Rollo Tamasi Well-Known Member

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    okay, you take me to your Jehovah's Witnesses church....
     
  2. Rollo Tamasi

    Rollo Tamasi Well-Known Member

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    It's like calling you a romanist.
    You can't find it in the title anywhere but everyone knows it's there.
     
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  3. Rollo Tamasi

    Rollo Tamasi Well-Known Member

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    Don't be silly.
    God doesn't punish you like that.
    Maybe he does that to you because you are a romanist.
     
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    tzcho2 Well-Known Member

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    That's some strong delusion, bud. :rolleyes:
     
  5. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Then, instead of simply calling me "rude" for exposing you - try DEBUNKING the evidence I have presented.

    Try something . . .
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    What do you call Hell, if not eternal punishment, Einstein??
     
  7. farouk

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    Me neither...
     
  8. GodsGrace

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    Hi MM
    I'm just looking around and came upon this.
    Some years ago I did a nice study on this....It's not
    as easy as all of us make it out to be.

    It's rather complicated and I can't remember too much,
    but I just want to say that even some Catholic theologians
    believe that Jesus COULD have had brothers. It depends on
    how they spoke back then...how the relationships were spoken of...
    the verses in the bible.

    I've come to the conclusion that I take no stand.

    If Jesus had brothers,,,why did He leave His mother to John?

    If someone could answer that....it might help me along my way.
     
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  9. GodsGrace

    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    @Marymog
    oops. I just revived a dead thread.
    Sorry.
     
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  10. Nancy

    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    Jesus' brothers and sisters. The Gospel of Mark (Mark 6:3) and the Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 13:55-56) mention James, Joseph/Joses, Jude and Simon as brothers of Jesus, the son of Mary. The same verses also mention unnamed sisters of Jesus.

    Matthew 12:46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.
    47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
    48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”

    49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
    50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
    The language here tells me that yes indeed, he did have biological siblings.

    John 7:3 "Jesus’ brothers said to him, “Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do."
    So we see that not only the disciples are being referred to here too.
     
  11. GodsGrace

    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    Some theologians believe they were the children of Joseph since he was so much older than Mary.

    I would tend toward the fact that they were brothers.
    But what about what I had mentioned up above?
    Why would Jesus command John to care for His mother if He had brothers or sisters that could do this?
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    I did think about what you said about your last sentence. I have nothing at my fingertips to cite anything on this, but I did at one time read something pertaining to this very thing and, it was said that Jesus's siblings were not believers until later on. So, that could be the reason, or it could just be that He simply, like us, referred to all all of His followers as true family? Dunno...just a thought.
     
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    Great thoughts.
    Also, John happened to be there. Jesus' mother WAS a disciple of His.
    You're right about His brothers...even James did not believe Jesus was the Messiah at the time of Jesus' ministry.

    For me, it just became something too complicated to think about that had nothing to do with salvation. So after some study on the subject, I just kind of gave up.
    :oops:
     
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    "So after some study on the subject, I just kind of gave up.
    :oops:"

    I hear you there. I have given up on many things of interest that is not imperative to salvation. Just out of curiosity, I will take some time on various subjects but, it is not important in the large scheme of things.
    Interesting perhaps but, not core. ♥
     
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    that's a Good question. but may we ask a question to your question, "why was NOT the Lord's BROTHERS there at the cross. this might put a different perspective on your question.

    but as for taking her into his home, the kjv don't say that. it just said, John 19:27 "Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home". home here is in Italic in the kjv, meaning it not of the original transcript. people assumed this.

    but another point, the apostle Paul called Timothy his "son", which he was not biologically. but stated his "son" in the gospel. so looking at that I cannot say at this time if he care for her phyically or spiritually. that's a GOOD question. I'll be keeping an eye out for any information that might shed some light on your question.

    PICJAG.
     
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    Hi 101
    The other apostles were not at the cross out of fear that they might also be condemned with Jesus. They were probably hiding at the home of Martha and Mary...and Lazarus.

    Why did you think this was important? I don't think it has too much bearing on the matter...just my opinion.

    If you find out anything interesting..please post it.
     
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    some old guy !
    the idea of lets say James being from an earlier marriage of Joseph presents a problem
    so ; we have 5 kids -- from an earlier marriage
    James is the oldest
    so how much older is James than Jesus ?
    why does this matter ?
    some old guy ( James is now hanging out with this much younger crowd ; the disciples ? )
    are not his brothers and sisters here with us ( should these ""older 5 " by now have established families of their own ? )
    my view :
    i think this points to James , jude etc being younger than Jesus
    this would make them coming from Mary
    another note :
    if Mary was so young when marriage
    how would these "older 5 " take to her ?

    just a view i never see talked about
     
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    I see that @Pearl gave you a like,
    but I don't even understand what you said!

    Why would there have had to be such a big difference?
    Mary was about 15/16
    Maybe Joseph was 25 to 30.
    He could have had small children when he married Mary.
    That wouldn't work out for you?
    Please explain in a different way.

    We all know that these brothers of Jesus really did not understand who He was, right?
     
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    lets examine that
    so joseph marries a new wife mary
    how long was his wife dead ?
    lets say 5 years --who knows but for example sake
    making child #5 and joseph 25 at the age ( just using your example )
    child #4 say 2 years earlier ; making joseph 23 at that time
    child #3 say 2 years earlier ; making joseph 21
    child #4 sday 2 years ; and joseph 19
    child #5 james same 2 years and joseph 17

    now ; the example would then hint at james being 17 years younger than joseph and mary being 13 years younger than joseph
    that james is 4 years younger than mary ?

    see the issue ?
     
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    thanks for the response. as you said, it seem the women had more courage than most of the men. it's in the scriptures that the Lord Brothers and Sisters AT FIRST believe not in his ministry. as for importance, "LOVE" ... for it the best Gift. I have seem men, (who natural mother had passed on), take up a mother in Law or just a widow woman (who have no family left or not) and took them up as their own, as if he was their own son. I have seen this with my own eyes. and the disciple who was there was "beloved" by the Lord, and may have, don't hold me to this, but may have believe that he would be a good choice to support his (mother) either in a physical or spiritual way of support. for the Lord Jesus did say, "who is my mother, and who is my brother" . just an oponion ok.

    and yes, if I do find something releating to this I will let you know.

    again thanks for the question.

    PICJAG.
     
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