Please explain this.

[GodsGrace]

As are two thirds of the Site.

And...WHY would anyone wish to be otherwise...?
I did not come to faith by orthodox teaching, I came to faith through the power of the Holy Spirit opening my spiritual eyes.so that I could see the truth in that God sent His Son to die for me because I was a sinner , yet I thought I was a believer in God!

We are not saved by being orthodox.
When you worship at the feet of , and 'feel safe' by believing that only orthodox is the path...you by default are rejecting being lead by the Spirit.

Orthodox= "conforming to what is generally or traditionally accepted as right or true"

Where there is 'conforming' to the masses...or most things traditionally accepted ...I will not be there.

THIS is the only conforming that we are called to:-
Romans 8:29 " For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." Not what a group of men decided for us.

Bless you....Helen

You're right H.
No matter what doctrine you believe, you will be saved by your trust in Jesus.
If doctrine is what saves....the N.T. should have been 100% clear...which it is not...
And Jesus should have left a lot of written requirements, which would have amounted to going backwards back to the 613.

He didn't do this for a reason.
He told the Samaritan woman at the well why.

Jesus spoke to a woman!
She was looking for water for her thirst,
and she found it IN HIM.

 

[GodsGrace]

Sound Gnostic to me.

Right,
Gnostics believed knowledge saved them...
a special knowledge that only they had.
And NOT Jesus...

This is a heresy and is almost blasheming the Holy Spirit...
since it assigns that those who do not understand Him properly,
will perish.

 

[Helen]

I would say that a person cannot be saved apart from sound doctrine.

1Ti 4:16, Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Good grief where on earth do you get your ideas?

Salvation is by Jesus Christ , life death and resurrection, not doctrine.
Doctrine does not and CANNOT, save anyone....

What you have got my friend is some legalistic 'religious' problem...ridged, and devoid of God's love and mercy.

Have a happy life...hope it works for you.

Let us know if we can help you in any way.

I will probably ignore any other responses from you that are soaked in 'religious' pontificating.

God bless you brother, you need it.

 

[justbyfaith]

Good grief where on earth do you get your ideas?

Salvation is by Jesus Christ , life death and resurrection, not doctrine.
Doctrine does not and CANNOT, save anyone....

What you have got my friend is some legalistic 'religious' problem...ridged, and devoid of God's love and mercy.

Have a happy life...hope it works for you.

Let us know if we can help you in any way.

I will probably ignore any other responses from you that are soaked in 'religious' pontificating.

God bless you brother, you need it.

Is it not sound doctrine that Jesus died for us, was buried, and rose again?

What happens to the soul of someone who rejects these concepts of the holy scriptures?

God's love and mercy is within bounds of who Jesus is...and He is the way, the truth, and the life.

Now it does say that men will not endure sound doctrine in the latter days...and I am just saying that to believe that a person can be saved apart from sound doctrine is a departure from sound doctrine.

 

[justbyfaith]

Sound Gnostic to me.

So now, the Bible is a gnostic book.

Wonders never cease...

 

[justbyfaith]

If doctrine is what saves....the N.T. should have been 100% clear...which it is not...

The NT is 100% clear. It only takes one verse for God to make a statement on any given issue.

Again,

1Ti 4:16, Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

So now you have Paul preaching gnosticism to his #1 protege for a pastor.

And Jesus should have left a lot of written requirements,

Jesus is not about written requirements. He left us with one commandment...to love one another. And then He provided us the ability to obey it by shedding abroad His love in our hearts through the Holy Ghost.

This is what grace is all about...we are forgiven much...and as a result we love much (Luke 7:36-50, 1 John 4:19, Romans 5:5).

 

[justbyfaith]

Have a happy life...hope it works for you.

Let us know if we can help you in any way.

I will probably ignore any other responses from you that are soaked in 'religious' pontificating.

God bless you brother, you need it.

Thank you for your condescending response.

I guess some people just don't like the idea of truth.

 

[justbyfaith]

Good grief where on earth do you get your ideas?

The Holy Bible.

 

[Helen]

The Holy Bible.

...with a twist!!

Amazing how many people 'read the bible' and then use it as a tool to bash others over peoples heads ..

Many years ago when still in the ministry, we helped a lady who believed that she was the Queen of Heaven. She got that through reading her bible.
So just saying that -'you got it by reading the bible' does not make what you believe that it is saying , true.

I had an old aunt who was in a mental institution and we visited her.
Amazing how many in there walked around carrying a bible. ( including her)
Does that equal that what they believed about it, was correct? No.
That was why half of them were there.

Okay, now our conversation is over. Bye.

 

[Nancy]

You're right H.
No matter what doctrine you believe, you will be saved by your trust in Jesus.
If doctrine is what saves....the N.T. should have been 100% clear...which it is not...
And Jesus should have left a lot of written requirements, which would have amounted to going backwards back to the 613.

He didn't do this for a reason.
He told the Samaritan woman at the well why.

Jesus spoke to a woman!
She was looking for water for her thirst,
and she found it IN HIM.

Awesome video of this! I wonder if she kicked her BF out? lol.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Awesome video of this! Just one thing missing I think...when He said to her to go, and sin no more? I wonder if she kicked her BF out? lol.

That is what He said to the "Woman Caught in Adultery" (not the "Samaritan Woman at the Well"). What is interesting about that incident is that, under the Law of Moses, BOTH the man and the women were to be stoned. If only the woman had been stoned, it would not have been a legal execution. Unbelievers like to point to the incident, saying that Jesus sinned by not insisting that the punishment under the Law of Moses should be carried out. But, it is yet another example of His divinity that He decided to extend mercy to her ("I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."). He used a very clever method for getting the merely religious to back off. Wonder what He wrote in the dirt? Some have speculated that He wrote the Ten Commandments. Others that He wrote down some of the sins of those present. The Scripture notes that the oldest of the men left first.

 

[justbyfaith]

...with a twist!!

Amazing how many people 'read the bible' and then use it as a tool to bash others over peoples heads ..

Many years ago when still in the ministry, we helped a lady who believed that she was the Queen of Heaven. She got that through reading her bible.
Just saying that 'you got it by reading the bible' does not make what you believe that it is saying true.

I had an old aunt who was in a mental institution.
Amazing how many in there walked around carrying a bible.
Does that = that what they believed about it was correct. No.

Okay, now our conversation is over. Bye.

The moment the Holy Spirit convicts you over something I have said, now we are no longer friends?

(see Galatians 4:16).

I know that you are aware of my testimony; before the reality of what my testimony says about me didn't matter.

Now all of a sudden it is ammunition against me in your rejection of what I am saying.

Let me remind you of what it says in Hosea 9:7.

I believe that I (as well as certain others in the body of Christ) am/are the fulfillment of that verse...but that would make me crazy, right?

Just like the verse says. An evidence that I am right in my estimation that I am the fulfillment of it.

You may also be right in your estimation that I am the fulfillment of it.

But if that is the case, then the days of visitation are come; the days of recompence are here!

If it is the truth, then Israel shall know it.

 

[Helen]

The moment the Holy Spirit convicts you over something I have said, now we are no longer friends?

(see Galatians 4:16).

I know that you are aware of my testimony; before the reality of what my testimony says about me didn't matter.

Now all of a sudden it is ammunition against me in your rejection of what I am saying.

Let me remind you of what it says in Hosea 9:7.

I believe that I (as well as certain others in the body of Christ) am/are the fulfillment of that verse...but that would make me crazy, right?

Just like the verse says. An evidence that I am right in my estimation that I am the fulfillment of it.

You may also be right in your estimation that I am the fulfillment of it.

But if that is the case, then the days of visitation are come; the days of recompence are here!

If it is the truth, then Israel shall know it.

I am indeed Very aware of your testimony , you had a wonderful deliverance and healing through the Lord. It is a very remarkable testimony.
In fact I was looking for it the other day...but I scrolled right back to 2015 in the Testimony section ...(but I knew it wasn't that far back.)
Not sure which board you posted it on.

But, I do not see any tenderness in your posts , you are far too ridged for me, you are more interested in 'being right'.

I am not a fighter, I say my bit and then I drop out of a discussion.
I see no point in going in circles and covering the same ground.

Bless you...Helen

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Sounds Gnostic to me.

Yes--special knowledge that only comes from reading the KJV and only being someone who is privileged enough to have the Holy Spirit in his/her back pocket. In contrast, the Bible says, "And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)

 

[justbyfaith]

I am indeed Very aware of your testimony , you had a wonderful deliverance and healing through the Lord. It is a very remarkable testimony.
In fact I was looking for it the other day...but I scrolled right back to 2015 in the Testimony section ...(but I knew it wasn't that far back.)
Not sure which board you posted it on.

But, I do not see any tenderness in your posts , you are far too ridged for me, you are more interested in 'being right'.

I am not a fighter, I say my bit and then I drop out of a discussion.
I see no point in going in circles and covering the same ground.

Bless you...Helen

Okay...bless you too.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes--special knowledge that only comes from reading the KJV and only being someone who is privileged enough to have the Holy Spirit in his/her back pocket. In contrast, the Bible says, "And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)

I'm certain that you can get the gospel message reading some other version...all I'm saying is that entire words and phrases are missing out of other versions...so if you want real nutrition in your meal, stick with the kjv.

The kjv is not "special knowledge"...it is simply more complete than what you will find elsewhere.

I've heard it likened unto a four-engine plane flying over the Pacific Ocean...while another plane only has three engines and half the capacity for gas.

Which plane would you rather fly in?

You might indeed make it over the Pacific Ocean in the lesser plane...

But I would recommend the better plane any day of the week.

 

[justbyfaith]

@"ByGrace"

link: My testimony (Geoffrey Primanti).

 

[amadeus]

This is where we may have to agree to disagree.

I believe that it is more likely for the potential to become a reality through the quickening of the Holy Spirit, if one is reading a Bible that contains the word of the Lord without exception...in other words, it is important that we read a Bible that does not omit important information.

Aren't you presuming that the ONLY source of information from God is the book we call the Bible? What do we suppose this verse means?

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

What is that the Holy Ghost will bring to our remembrance? What we have read in the scriptures certainly, but did God never speak us in our personal experiences [call them good or bad]? Did God never speak us when we were simply looking upon the magnificence of any part or all of His natural creation that we are able to see with our carnal eyes? You seem to keep on selling God short. The Bible is a wonderful thing that God has made available to us, but He could keep His promises to a person even if the person never owned or read a Bible, could He not? If a man did own a Bible that left out or translated wrong something you considered essential, could not God take up the slack if there was any slack?

Can a person be filled with righteousness reading a Bible that does omit certain information?

I believe that they most certainly can...but they are eating a can of green beans rather than the beans that have more nutrients for that they were gotten from the produce section of the store.

Does our body require vitamin C? Is the only source of vitamin C, orange juice?

But I agree with you that we most definitely need the Holy Spirit to illuminate His word to us.

If you don't understand something that is written, but you have a personal relationship with the author of the book, all you need to do is ask the author what He meant by it; and you will have your answer.

If you really NEED, as opposed to WANT, the answer, will he not then provide it precisely when it is needed?

The problem is, that many people, while they may indeed have a relationship with the author; they do not ask Him what His word means because they are afraid of what the answer might be. These have still not come to the knowledge of a God who is full of grace towards His children. They do not trust that the answer that might come would be an answer that is good in their own estimation. Yet the true interpretation is always good.

I won't disagree, but everyone of us should want to be lifted to the highest place in God possible. What are the limits? The limits are not in God, but always... in us. You say "many people" do not ask and that is so. Sometimes we don't know what to ask, so should we not ask Him to help us obtain the answers to unknown questions He considers important to us?

Give God the glory!

 

[Grailhunter]

Aren't you presuming that the ONLY source of information from God is the book we call the Bible? What do we suppose this verse means?

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

What is that the Holy Ghost will bring to our remembrance? What we have read in the scriptures certainly, but did God never speak us in our personal experiences [call them good or bad]? Did God never speak us when we were simply looking upon the magnificence of any part or all of His natural creation that we are able to see with our carnal eyes? You seem to keep on selling God short. The Bible is a wonderful thing that God has made available to us, but He could keep His promises to a person even if the person never owned or read a Bible, could He not? If a man did own a Bible that left out or translated wrong something you considered essential, could not God take up the slack if there was any slack?


Does our body require vitamin C? Is the only source of vitamin C, orange juice?


If you really NEED, as opposed to WANT, the answer, will he not then provide it precisely when it is needed?


I won't disagree, but everyone of us should want to be lifted to the highest place in God possible. What are the limits? The limits are not in God, but always... in us. You say "many people" do not ask and that is so. Sometimes we don't know what to ask, so should we not ask Him to help us obtain the answers to unknown questions He considers important to us?

Give God the glory!

He just keeps doing the good stuff....TRUTH...TRUTH...it feels good!

 

[amadeus]

Although it should be abundantly clear, that @amadeus is unorthodox in some of his views.

If by that you are saying that the orthodox are the most correct you really need to consider Jesus. Likely he was the most unorthodox man who ever walked on planet Earth... at least as most men see him. I wish that I could always be as unorthodox as He was in all of the same places that He was...