Please know that @OzSpen is well studied. Sadly, many discoveries about God and His Prophecies do not come from those who are well studied but it can help.
Oh come to think of it, you are claiming to be well studied as well.
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Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.
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You continue to stumble over THE FACT that both God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ are called "the LORD" (YHWH) in the OT.
So the LORD was indeed nailed to the cross and His side was pierced with a spear.
The Father is called the Lord by Jesus in Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21.
There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6).
And no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3).
@Enoch111,
Can you say that Jesus is the Lord in light of the fact that Jesus said that the Father is the Lord and that the scripture declares that there is only one Lord?
I await your answer.
aspen
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I do not know a single person who has been convinced of the truth of the Trinity after believing that God and Jesus are separate.
Some "Trinitarians" are actually Tritheists in disguise.
They do not comprehend the Oneness between Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and so they actually think of the three as being separate rather than distinct. They say it is the Trinity but in their hearts they are worshipping three "people" who are God...Tritheism.
To have the proper Trinity you must accept that God is one Person who also exists distinctly as three individuals within the Godhead.
You must understand that the Trinity itself is a statement of paradox...although it can be understood if you simply accept all of the scriptures that speak on the subject.
One of the primary scriptures is the scripture that says that the name of the Son will be called among other things the everlasting Father.
If you do not take that scripture at face value you will very likely diverge into Tritheism in your understanding.
For it teaches that it was the Father (not an eternally begotten Son) who descended to become a Man in the incarnation.
It teaches that Jesus was begotten in the incarnation; and that when He rose again, He rose again to fill all things...to inhabit eternity once again.
The Father, who inhabiteth eternity, descended to become the Son;
Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
He did not vacate eternity when He descended.
Therefore there is the Father in heaven (outside of time) and the Son on earth (confined to the time domain).
Can you see how these are the same Person and yet there is a distinction between the two?
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
I believe in the true triune nature of God as He revealed himself to us. I do not claim to understand God fully - much will be revealed.
I don't think that anyone can understand God fully...
But the doctrine of the Trinity can be understood to a very great degree.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Yes. Which is fine, as long as you do not hold everyone to the same level of understanding. My step daughter is not going to understand the Trinity, but she understands love and that is enough for her level of functioning.
Sometimes we assume that everyone operates at our level of reasoning and functioning. Thankfully, doctrine doesn’t save us - love saves us.
Doctrine is my hobby; love is my profession
Amen; for it is written,
1Co 8:1, Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
1Co 8:2, And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
1Co 8:3, But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
I do feel that those of us who understand the Trinity will be better equipped to deal with those who deny it as a doctrine.
And if we care about those people, it will not be a fruitless endeavor to study until we do understand it; for the sake of those who do not believe in it and so that we can minister the truth to them from the word of the Lord.
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G'Day G'Day Jay the Brissy bloke.
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With that sentence are you talking about God the Father and God the Son as separate persons?
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GINOLJC, to all. first thanks for the reply. second, glad you finally admitted that it's the same PERSON, meaning you just denied your trinity doctrine concept of person(s). third, correct, but we have a question, well 3 just for now, because there are many, many more questions to come, now that you has admitted that the the LORD is both the Father and Jesus, ONE and the same PERSON. question time.
#1. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool". ok Enoch who is the Lord here? will be looking for your answer.
#2. if both are the LORD in the OT then the WORD is God the Father in John 1:1. correct, and the "Word/God/Father", made all things according to John 1:3 correct. which means the LORD in Isaiah 44:24 is Jesus, correct. now one more.
#3. since bot are called "LORD" in the OT, then Jesus is the Almighty, the Father, correct. and as you said, "the LORD was nailed to the cross". then as a Spirit, for God is a Spirit (per John 1:3), how do one Nail a spirit to a cross, remember spirit is immaterial.
PICJAG.
101G
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Enoch111 said the LORD all caps was Nailed to the cross. do you agree with that assessment?.
also in Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool".
who is the "Lord" here and in verse 5 of said same chapter, Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath".
and one last question, if the "Lord" who is sitting, why is he striking through kings in the day of his wrath?
PICJAG.
101G
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so Jesus was conceived, and Jesus is God as you have previously said. so God was conceived, do you know how ignorantly that sounds?. what was conceived Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". so now God is a thing, no he's Spirit, the "THING" that was born was FLESH, a BODY.
my God what will they come up with next?
PICJAG.
101G
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THIS IS TRUE, AND HE'S THE SAME PERSON IN ISAIAH 44:24.
PICJAG.
so now is the Spirit of Christ the SAME Spirit?
PICJAG.
It only sounds ignorant to those who ignorantly push false doctrines. Yes God the Son was indeed conceived in Mary's womb supernaturally -- born of a virgin -- yet Emmanuel.
101G
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are you sure? the Son of Man was not conceived in Mary's womb, nor was the Son of man Born.
PICJAG.
101G
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One spirit...one faith...one baptism...
So, yes. The same Spirit, for God is spirit God shared His spirit with His Son, who in turn shares that same spirit with us. The spirit is the mind of God. The life giving power of God. That which infuses life and sustenance to the person...but no doubt more than that also as we do not fully understand the spirit nor how it works. So when we speak pf having the spirit of God abiding within, we are speaking of Christ Himself, His mind, having the mind of Christ abiding within. The same mind of the Father..."I pray that they may be one, as you and I are one". We cannot be one with the Father and Son in precisely the same manner which binds Father and Son in nature, but we can be one in mind...in thought...in motive...in worldview so to speak. Let this mind be in you...the mind of Christ was the mind of the Father.
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