The Church The Papacy Says You Should Join

[Taken]

Why would I present evidence for your comment? I said nothing about Government Bending to the WILL of the cc.
Clearly you should have understood...
The Vatican City , Holy See and Catholic Church are intertwined...WHAT does that have to do with OTHER governments?



Irrelevant. How many founders Agreed the US should be established A Catholic Nation?

[QUOTE (*signed Declaration of Independence, involved in The Constitution, Articles of the Confederation etc.)

Irrelevant.



Obviously you did not notice...I made NO mention of A STATE Religion in governance with the US ..Because NONE Exists!



What about them...
Are you Chinese/ East Indian?

Are you Catholic? yes.
Does you Church DICTATE a Catholics Beliefs in accordance with A Government ? Vatican City /holy see?
Yes.
Are you a citizen of the US? If so...No Church dictates beliefs according TO the US Government!



Once Again? LOL. This is the first discussion on this topic....



LOL False Claim Mary. Not a theory.

The Government of the Vatican City/ Holy See IS intertwined with Catholicism...
LOL ... the head of the Vatican City And the the Catholic Church IS THE SAME Person! Duh!

The US Government HAS No STATE Religion!

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Who cares how many? you? you go research it. I don't care how many, nor was that a Point I made.



Obviously you don't comprehend the Point!

The POINT has NOTHING to do with How many ANYTHING...

The Point is certain countries have STATE (referred to as country) Religions.

The US Does Not.

Your Religious Leader IS the Religious Leader OF A STATE (country).

Your Religious Leader CAN via Laws of the State Keep Secrets of political AND appointed religeous underlings....and have done so for YEARS....particularly...having to do with SEX..
Pregnancies of nuns; homosexual encounters;
Molestation and rape of children and sex with congregants....all the while publically preaching AGAINST such behaviors...
It's called Hypocrisy...and Reflects on the WHOLE of it congregants, regardless of which catholic church you attend...you Leader remains the Same.

A Protestant with an hypocritical preacher can leave that church AnD THAT corrupt leader...and go to another Protestant church WITH A DIFFERENT church leader.

Glory to God...Thee Only Holy Father,
Taken[/QUOTE]

LOL.

 

[JohnPaul]

I've personally witnessed you sinning on this forum DOZENS of times.
Your hypocrisy knows NO bounds . . .

BreadOfLife, if I may ask you and please don’t take offense, is it ok to pray to the Blessed Mother when we are only suppose to worship the Holy Trinity?

 

[Philip James]

Would you rather it be the Muslims "meddling in international affairs" and having an influence on our laws?

Hello Mary,
I recently came across this document from Cardinal Manning: The Present Crisis of the Holy See Tested by Prophecy Four Lectures

Which, amongst other things, lays out the influence of the papacy on the development of Christian laws in Euorpe...

Worth the read!

Peace be with you!

 

[Marymog]

Why would I present evidence for your comment? I said nothing about Government Bending to the WILL of the cc.
Clearly you should have understood...
The Vatican City , Holy See and Catholic Church are intertwined...WHAT does that have to do with OTHER governments?

You have me soooo confused as to what you are saying I don't even know how to respond.....

I NOW think what you are saying is that the CC a government NOT that the CC is intertwined with secular governments.

Is that what you are saying?

 

[Marymog]

Hello Mary,
I recently came across this document from Cardinal Manning: The Present Crisis of the Holy See Tested by Prophecy Four Lectures

Which, amongst other things, lays out the influence of the papacy on the development of Christian laws in Euorpe...

Worth the read!

Peace be with you!

Thank You......As a historian I am very familiar with "the influence of the papacy on the development of Christian laws in Euorpe {sic}".

Not sure what the document you present has to do with the point I was trying to make: Would you rather have Sharia law or Christian law meddling in our national affairs.

I will read the link.....Once again, thank you.

Mary

 

[epostle]

BreadOfLife, if I may ask you and please don’t take offense, is it ok to pray to the Blessed Mother when we are only suppose to worship the Holy Trinity?

Praying to Our Blessed Mother is no different than you asking your own mother to pray for you. Is that worshipping your mother?

 

[prism]

It saddens me you don't know your own Christian history.

Equally, it saddens me, with many who exalt the Church Fathers assume the rest of us are ignorant regarding Church history.

Do some research on the Hellenists, Pharisees, Sadducees, Zealots and Essenes.....then get back with me if you have further questions.

Oh, that history. I'm equally educated about those as you are equally assumptive about me.
Get back with you? Why?

Sometimes you just have to educate yourself instead of expecting someone else to educate you......Mary

Even so, I wouldn't look to those with such condescending spirits. Not the kind of fruit I am to look for.

Getting back to my original 'unanswered' question...which part of our text, do they contradict? An example will suffice.

 

[Taken]

You have me soooo confused as to what you are saying I don't even know how to respond.....

I NOW think what you are saying is that the CC a government NOT that the CC is intertwined with secular governments.

Is that what you are saying?

The cc IS intertwined with one government...the Vatican City.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[JohnPaul]

Praying to Our Blessed Mother is no different than you asking your own mother to pray for you. Is that worshipping your mother?

Wouldn’t that be like saying Christ is not sufficient, that he can’t handle our needs, that he needs help?

 

[Philip James]

Wouldn’t that be like saying Christ is not sufficient, that he can’t handle our needs, that he needs help?

No. It would not...
It would be like saying WE need help..

The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.

Peace!

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, not everyone. Some of us have already died as sinners. And you can't die twice.

WRONG.

All true followers of Christ die TWICE:
a) Once in Baptism to the former selves (Rom. 6:4, Col. 2-12).
b) Once physically (Heb. 9:27).

Study your Bible . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So BoL, does that mean sinners go to heaven then? If one is a sinner when he dies, and is still therefore sinning, on what basis can he believe in eternal life? What makes a Christian 'sinner' more worthy than all the other sinners in the world.
Our is it because he... You, can claim to be a Catholic and therefore your Pope is your guarantor?

Perhaps the old bumper sticker said it best:
"Christians aren't perfect - just FORGIVEN."

Those of us in Christ have a way OUT.

 

[Phoneman777]

Satan was bound, and for 1000 years Christendom plundered his house.... He has since been released....

Peace!

I have to disagree, but suffice it to say he's definitely running around loose today. The wickedness in high places that we thought only existed in the "bygone" era of ancient medieval barbarism is actually alive and well today and practiced by sick twisted people with last names like Clinton, Epstein, Weiner, etc.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Again you rattle on with your misunderstandings of the scriptures, reading and quoting them without understanding.

Nonetheless, "experiential knowledge" is not saving knowledge. Knowledge (in that sense) does not save. You are proof. You personify it. Thanks for pointing that out!

In other words - you can't argue with the passages I presented.

OSAS is an arrogant, man-made fallacy.
The Bible warns us Christians - over and over and over NOT to fall back into a life of darkness - or we will LOSE it all.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ohhh BOL...you use the word 'truth' as if you are interested in it....well, I'm not persuaded....your posts are testimony to that. Secondly,...as if statistics were persuasive...not for this brown duck!
The scripture implies that Babylon is filling her cup......yeah, it's been doing so for some time and will continue its trajectory unabated.

TRANSLATION:
"I have no intelligent answer for my earlier attack."

That's what thought . . .

 

[Phoneman777]

LOL 1 million times....

You don't condemn Catholics......JUST THEIR HISTORY, EVERYTHING THEY BELIEVE, PREACH and PRACTICE.

But you don't condemn them....do you????

No, I don't condemn them at all. Who am I to judge which catholics know they're worshiping Lucifer and which are following what they believe is God's legit system? Therefore, I condemn them not, but their beliefs are straight outta the mind of Satan.

 

[BreadOfLife]

1 John 1:8
CLEARLY SAYS "HAVE NO SIN".

YOU MAKING UP LIES, AND CLAIMING IT IS AN OTHERS BELIEF, IS SIMPLY YOU MAKING UP FALSE TESTIMONY.

NO ONE IS CLAIMING "THEY HAVE NO SIN"!
NO ONE IS "DENYING THEY SIN"!

STOP making up FALSE CLAIMS and then FALSELY CLAIMING it is what an OTHER BELIEVES.

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION:

Man IS BORN IN SIN!
NOT Rocket SCIENCE...EVERY MAN "HAS" SIN!

HAVING SIN, "IS NOT" COMMITTING SIN!

COMMITTING SIN, IS an ACTION!!

EVERYONE HAS "COMMITTED SIN"!

SOME PEOPLE...TRUST TO BELIEVE "IN" God, "AND" THEE Christ the Lord Jesus.

SOME PEOPLE...FREELY CHOOSE to CALL ON Thee Lord "AND" "CONFESS" THEIR "BELIEF" IN God "AND" IN The Christ the Lord JESUS.

SOME PEOPLE...(Unlike you)...TRUST TO BELIEVE, THEE Christ the Lord JESUS....
1) FORGIVE them for "HAVING HAD NOT" BELIEVED "IN" God and Thee Christ the Lord Jesus.
2) COVER "THEIR SIN THEY HAVE", with HIS LIGHT, that it BE SEEN NO MORE, and GOD Himself REMEMBERS their "SIN NO MORE".
3) THAT HIS Spirit/LIght/POWER within the man....FREES the MAN FROM EVERY AGAIN ..."COMMITTING" SIN "AGAINST" Thee Lord God Almighty!


1)While you preach and teach the Catholic Way, is to have Someone OTHER THAN YOURSELF, call ON THE Lord "FOR YOU"....
2) That BY another PERSON making claims FOR YOU, (that YOU are completely UNAWARE OF)...you claim to HAVE Received the Holy Spirit...(Gods POWER and LIGHT)
3) That NOW you supposedly have the Holy Spirit....YET, It is NOT (apparently), POWERFUL enough or LIGHT enough to KEEP
YOU FREE from COMMITTING SIN, (since you repeatedly CLAIM you CONTINUE TO "COMMIT" SIN!)

4) AND NOT ONLY DO YOU repeatedly CLAIM "YOU" Continue to "COMMIT" Sin...
"YOU" Continue to FALSELY TESTIFY, that EVERYONE ELSE IS "LIKE YOU" and Continues to "COMMIT SIN"!!

Dude GET A CLUE...
I DO NOT "FOLLOW YOU"!!
YOU are NOT MY TEACHER!
I DO NOT "TRUST" IN YOU!
I DO NOT "BELIEVE" IN YOU!
I AM NOT "LIKE" YOU!

YOU trying to REWRITE...Scripture.
AND
YOU trying to REWRITE....others claims of "THEIR" beliefs....
IS "NOT" What Scripture TEACHES...AND WHY you HAVE A CONSTANT Rejection of what you fraudantly write in YOUR POSTS and your church doctrine....

1 John 1:8
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Glory to God,
Taken

My advice to you:

1) Study your Bible so that you can understand what it says.
2) Get some competent help for your anger issues . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LIE!
A Sinner, is the Essence of a Natural man...
THEY ARE BORN IN SIN!!
A Sinner, can ALSO BE a man who COMMITS Sin....WHICH ALL MEN HAVE COMMITTED SIN!
ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE "THAT DOES APPLY TO ME"....A FORGIVEN SINNER....NO MORE COMMITS SIN.
So? Who said there was that you are pretending you are arguing Against a claim, no one made? LOL
I, unlike everyone else, HAVE ALREADY "DIED" a "SINNER".... which is precisely that which "DIVIDES ME FROM YOU".
Luke 12
51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Gal 2
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Rom 6
[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
1 John 3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
I am crucified with Christ.
I am freed from sin.
I no longer commit sin.
I can no longer commit sin.
If YOU STILL COMMIT sin as you CLAIM... you can NOT ALSO BE BORN OF GOD, as you claim....
One of your CLAIMS....IS FALSE.
And you trying to make YOUR FALSE CLAIM, Apply to everyone else...IS YOU LYING about others peoples BELIEFS!
Glory to God,
Taken

Then YOU are at ODDS with Sacred Scripture.
Good luck with that . . .

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
This one is self-explanatory - even to a blind person.

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot blot out a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God “take away” somebody’s “share” of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

 

[Philip James]

which are following what they believe is God's legit system? ......their beliefs are straight outta the mind of Satan.

Hey phoneman,

Well I'll give you this: it's definately one or the other....
But who else can claim to be the Church that the 'gates of hell would not overcome? The Orthodox? The Copts?

If you are not in an apostolic community, then where are you?

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

Peace!

 

[Phoneman777]

2nd time asking: When you researched SDA abuse what did you find out?

Two Oregon men have filed a civil lawsuit against the local and national branches of the Seventh Day Adventist church. They allege that church elders..... knowingly allowed a convicted sex offender to lead a youth program in the 1970s. (OPB 8.24.14)

That's the start of my research......how about your research kiddo???

Again, no one denies the existence of child sexual predator corruption in non-papal organizations...the point is that if child rape by church leaders was an Olympic event, the papacy would win Gold, Silver, and Bronze before the rest of us finished getting disqualified for not achieving the minimum event requirements.