The Church The Papacy Says You Should Join

[quietthinker]

Thanks for your response,

I guess my next question would be why not when Jesus ascended, instead of 1800+...?

When was Satan bound?
' To plunder a strong mans house, first you have to tie him up'

Peace!

you're asking good questions PJ. I'll let Phoneman respond.

 

[Phoneman777]

Thanks for your response,

I guess my next question would be why not when Jesus ascended, instead of 1800+...?

When was Satan bound?
' To plunder a strong mans house, first you have to tie him up'

Peace!

The Jewish ritual year is a microcosm of the heavenly reality. As you know, the high priest would officiate all year long in the Holy Place, but only on the last day would he enter the Most Holy Place on the Day of Atonement which purpose was for the cleansing of the sanctuary.

Christ could not have entered directly into the Most Holy Place and begin cleansing the Heavenly Sanctuary at His ascension because, as per the Earthly pattern, there were duties necessary for Him to perform in the Holy Place.

1. When He lit the seven lamp candlestick, fire fell on Pentecost.
2. As He burns incense, our prayers ascend with His into the presence of the Father.
3. The table of continually baked shewbread was representative of His continual bodily presence as our Heavenly intercessor before the Father.

The 1800 years was necessary to allow Satan to develop his version of "paradise" and to deny him victim status by the same. With the papal Antichrist firmly in place, now God has raised up His last day remnant church with a special message to our dying planet:

1) Fear God and glorify Him, for the hour of His judgement (Jews equate "Day of Atonement" with "Cleansing of the Sanctuary") has arrived, and worship the Creator, not come man calling himself "holy father".

2) Babylon is fallen, is fallen - Babylon means "religious confusion" and God is calling His people out of her before it's too late to come out.

3) Don't worship the Beast or the Image of the Beast - the Beast is papal Rome with compulsory religion and the Image will be just like her - compulsory religion by Protestantism.

 

[Philip James]

The 1800 years was necessary to allow Satan to develop his version of "paradise" and to deny him victim status by the same.

So then, do you not think Satan has been bound? How then could Christ plunder his house?

Im sorry, i cannot accept that Jesus was not already sitting at the right hand of the Father , long before 1800 or so...

Neither did HE have to wait to offer HIS sacrifice to the Father....

'You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizadek' comes to mind...

'When the hour had come, he took bread....'

What hour was that? Exodus 12:6

You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, and then, with the whole assembly of Israel present, it shall be slaughtered during the evening twilight.

We are not your enemy...

Peace be with you!

 

[Taken]

So then, do you not think Satan has been bound? How then could Christ plunder his house?

Im sorry, i cannot accept that Jesus was not already sitting at the right hand of the Father , long before 1800 or so...

Neither did HE have to wait to offer HIS sacrifice to the Father....

'You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizadek' comes to mind...

'When the hour had come, he took bread....'

What hour was that? Exodus 12:6

You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, and then, with the whole assembly of Israel present, it shall be slaughtered during the evening twilight.

We are not your enemy...

Peace be with you!

Scripture Reveals knowledge OF
What was...
Foreshadows OF what is To Come...
Constant Fulfilling for every generation to Observe.

Ecc 1:
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Phoneman777]

So then, do you not think Satan has been bound? How then could Christ plunder his house?

Im sorry, i cannot accept that Jesus was not already sitting at the right hand of the Father , long before 1800 or so...

Neither did HE have to wait to offer HIS sacrifice to the Father....

'You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizadek' comes to mind...

'When the hour had come, he took bread....'

What hour was that? Exodus 12:6

You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, and then, with the whole assembly of Israel present, it shall be slaughtered during the evening twilight.

We are not your enemy...

Peace be with you!

Sure, we've been told that the Cross finished Jesus' work...that's bulldokey. The Cross finished His work as our SACRIFICE...His work as HIGH PRIEST INTERCESSOR was what followed. I encourage you to study the OT sanctuary, because from that you can learn what Jesus is doing now for us, as well as gain insight which allows us to correctly interpret the prophetic passages of Scripture, especially those in Daniel (Daniel 8 is wall to wall Sanctuary symbolism) and Revelation - without which no correct interpretation can be had.

 

[Phoneman777]

No, not everyone. Some of us have already died as sinners. And you can't die twice.

Dead Bread just took the place of Jesus and judged you eternally lost - these papists and their uncontrollable desire to rule over, dominate, subjugate. It's why they attack defenseless children.

 

[Phoneman777]

So then, do you not think Satan has been bound? How then could Christ plunder his house?

Satan bound? He's walking around like a hunting lion everyday. He'll be bound when Jesus comes back, rescues the saints, causes the wicked to give up the ghost and drop dead where they stand, and for a thousand years, he'll be bound here on Earth by circumstance with no one to tempt.

 

[Marymog]

Seriously? their are literally thousands of reports of papists abusers for every one SDA, you know.

There are literally about 400,000 priest worldwide.

There are less than 19,000 SDA ministers worldwide.

Sooooo numbers wise there are more abusers in the CC however percentage wise the SDA's abuse at the same or higher rate which once again shows how ignorant your statement is and why it is hard to take anything you say serious.


Mary

 

[Marymog]

How would you know, unless it is stated in Scripture?


Is that what the theological liberal seminaries are telling you? Source please.

Tell me, with all the attempted extra-biblical writings you are trying to bring up, which part of our text, do they contradict? An example will suffice.

It saddens me you don't know your own Christian history.

Do some research on the Hellenists, Pharisees, Sadducees, Zealots and Essenes.....then get back with me if you have further questions.

Sometimes you just have to educate yourself instead of expecting someone else to educate you......Mary

 

[Marymog]

Both Muslim and Catholic rulers, when they involve themselves in lording it over any government, is intruding on forbidden ground.

Ok....try answering the question instead of bloviating:

Would you rather it be the Muslims "meddling in international affairs" and having an influence on our laws?

 

[Phoneman777]

There are literally about 400,000 priest worldwide.

There are less than 19,000 SDA ministers worldwide.

Sooooo numbers wise there are more abusers in the CC however percentage wise the SDA's abuse at the same or higher rate which once again shows how ignorant your statement is and why it is hard to take anything you say serious.


Mary

Let's get something straight: Clinical psychologist and ex-priest Richard Sipe has reported based on his decades long study of the papal child sex abuse problem - having worked in "papal treatment centers" where papal authorities send their busted priests for "treatment" and by virtue of his involvement has become a fully informed, top authority on the intimate workings of the system - has published reports that a full SIX PERCENT of all priests have acted out sexually with minors...SIX PERCENT.

If you're going to argue that the problem is anywhere near that among straight, married SDA ministers who understand that those who refuse to keep God's law will be punished in the Lake of Fire...and thus strive to overcome sin, not indulge it freely as do those who believe some stupid other child raping man in priestly garb as guilty as he will continually forgive him of his own attacks on child victims as long as he keeps saying his "hail Marys" and "Our Fathers"...then such an argument well exceeds the bounds of absurdity.

Let's pray for these priests, and not pretend the system is not busted almost beyond repair by pointing to the deficiencies of others, OK?

 

[Marymog]

Seriously Mary ~

Consider any religion that "IS" the religion of a Government. And consider, the religious Clerics are intertwined with the Government heads of State.

^ For Example: That APPLIES to: Judaism, Islam, and Catholicism.

IF and WHEN there "IS" a complaint against ANY "Official", Cleric or otherwise regarding the Government, it becomes an "INTERNAL AFFAIR". And "INTERNAL AFFAIRS" do not ALWAYS become "PUBLIC Knowledge".

That does not APPLY to Protestants.
The US does NOT have an OFFICIAL State Religion.
Lodging a Complaint Against a Protestant Cleric, certaining CAN Be addressed with a Board of governors of a particular denomination, or InHouse deacons or such and absolutely with Filing a complaint with their own Jurisdictional Law Enforcement Government Agency, which IS a matter of PUBLIC RECORD.

Catholics Officials for YEARS have taken advantage of hearing complaints of congregants, and dealing with the accused Offender, "INHOUSE"....which many Catholics Complained....was a false Justice....that the victims felt let down as if their abuse was made out to be THEIR FAULT, and the Cleric, literally received NO Punishment.

The Story is NOT about HOW MANY statistically and comparatively of Catholic and Protestant Clerics sexually Abused their congregates...

But rather, the Catholic Church taking advantage of the (Government/Religion) mix, and NOT Punishing Catholic Clerics, when they were found to have sexually assulted their congregates.

And the FACT is; It is Catholics, or former Catholics who were at the forefront of the most recent news of them telling their own stories of Abuse and No Just penalty/punishment ever having been appointed to the Cleric involved.

It's the years long cover-ups and denials,
By Clerics...(Catholic or Protestant)....that would be expected....

But when the Church itself is involved with the cover-ups and denials....that reflects on the Standard of the WHOLE Church.

To my understanding....EVERY Catholic Church is Under the Authority of the pope, meaning it does not matter, where the Catholic chruch IS, they are all as One church...

That is not the same for Protestants. What one Protestant Cleric or Church does or does not do, Does not reflect on ALL Protestant churches.

Glory to God,
Taken

And your point is?????

 

[Marymog]

Let's get something straight: Clinical psychologist and ex-priest Richard Sipe has reported based on his decades long study of the papal child sex abuse problem - having worked in "papal treatment centers" where papal authorities send their busted priests for "treatment" and by virtue of his involvement has become a fully informed, top authority on the intimate workings of the system - has published reports that a full SIX PERCENT of all priests have acted out sexually with minors...SIX PERCENT.

If you're going to argue that the problem is anywhere near that among straight, married SDA ministers who understand that those who refuse to keep God's law will be punished in the Lake of Fire...and thus strive to overcome sin, not indulge it freely as do those who believe some stupid other child raping man in priestly garb as guilty as he will continually forgive him of his own attacks on child victims as long as he keeps saying his "hail Marys" and "Our Fathers"...then such an argument well exceeds the bounds of absurdity.

Let's pray for these priests, and not pretend the system is not busted almost beyond repair by pointing to the deficiencies of others, OK?

I am praying.....

SDA Abuse Response

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When you researched SDA abuse what did you find out?

 

[Marymog]

Hi, PJ, I would like to extend my sincere sentiments to you that I DO NOT CONDEMN CATHOLICS .....!

LOL 1 million times....

You don't condemn Catholics......JUST THEIR HISTORY, EVERYTHING THEY BELIEVE, PREACH and PRACTICE.

But you don't condemn them....do you????

 

[Phoneman777]

I am praying.....

SDA Abuse Response

Seventh-Day Adventist Church Sexual Abuse | Sex Abuse Lawsuit

Seventh-day Adventist Church Under Fire for Lax Response to Sex Abuse Allegations - Crew Janci LLP: Sexual Abuse Attorneys

When you researched SDA abuse what did you find out?

No one would argue that a guy who kills one person is as much a menace to society as a serial killer, but you papists seem to think the very existence of child sex abuse in other church denominations makes them as much a global threat as is the the papacy.

 

[Taken]

And your point is?????

The point IS...Catholicism IS a religion intertwined with A Government.

Approval of Leaders in the Catholic Government and Catholic Church are intertwined between the Two.

Secrecy From the Public..via...(Internal Affairs) of the Catholic Government and
The Catholic Church are established by Government Statutes.

The intertwining Between A Government and a Religion Allows for Secrets of the Government's wrong DOING And Religious Wrong DOING TO BE Kept Hidden from the public at large.

This happened with the Pharisees and the Jews and Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites and a Den of Thieves.

It happens with Islam.

It happens with Catholicism.

Protestestantism does not have that SAME issue......IS the Point!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Philip James]

Satan bound? He's walking around like a hunting lion everyday

Satan was bound, and for 1000 years Christendom plundered his house.... He has since been released....

Peace!

 

[Marymog]

No one would argue that a guy who kills one person is as much a menace to society as a serial killer, but you papists seem to think the very existence of child sex abuse in other church denominations makes them as much a global threat as is the the papacy.

2nd time asking: When you researched SDA abuse what did you find out?

Two Oregon men have filed a civil lawsuit against the local and national branches of the Seventh Day Adventist church. They allege that church elders..... knowingly allowed a convicted sex offender to lead a youth program in the 1970s. (OPB 8.24.14)

That's the start of my research......how about your research kiddo???

 

[Marymog]

The point IS...Catholicism IS a religion intertwined with A Government.

Approval of Leaders in the Catholic Government and Catholic Church are intertwined between the Two.

Secrecy From the Public..via...(Internal Affairs) of the Catholic Government and
The Catholic Church are established by Government Statutes.

The intertwining Between A Government and a Religion Allows for Secrets of the Government's wrong DOING And Religious Wrong DOING TO BE Kept Hidden from the public at large.

This happened with the Pharisees and the Jews and Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites and a Den of Thieves.

It happens with Islam.

It happens with Catholicism.

Protestestantism does not have that SAME issue......IS the Point!

Glory to God,
Taken

I like that summary better....It is more understandable.

Do you have any evidence from the last 10 years of "Governments" bending to the will of the CC?

How many Catholics were Founding Fathers* of the United States? How many have been President?

(*signed Declaration of Independence, involved in The Constitution, Articles of the Confederation etc.)

When your research is done you will find there were only a few Catholics involved and "intertwined" with this county's founding; the greatest country/government on earth. The FACT is they were mostly (98%) PROTESTANT....sooo your theory doesn't work for the USA.....

How about China and India????.....the countries with the most people on earth.....Once again your theory falls flat.

How many countries apply Islamic law (sharia) compared to Catholic doctrine? Once again.....your theory doesn't hold water.....

Respectfully, Mary

 

[Taken]

I like that summary better....It is more understandable.

Do you have any evidence from the last 10 years of "Governments" bending to the will of the CC?

Why would I present evidence for your comment? I said nothing about Government Bending to the WILL of the cc.
Clearly you should have understood...
The Vatican City , Holy See and Catholic Church are intertwined...WHAT does that have to do with OTHER governments?

many Catholics were Founding Fathers* of the United States? How many have been President?

Irrelevant. How many founders Agreed the US should be established A Catholic Nation?

[QUOTE (*signed Declaration of Independence, involved in The Constitution, Articles of the Confederation etc.) [/QUOTE]

Irrelevant.

When your research is done

you will find there were only a few Catholics involved and "intertwined" with this county's founding; the greatest country/government on earth. The FACT is they were mostly (98%) PROTESTANT....sooo your theory doesn't work for the USA.....

Obviously you did not notice...I made NO mention of A STATE Religion in governance with the US ..Because NONE Exists!

How about China and India????.....the countries with the most people on earth.....

What about them...
Are you Chinese/ East Indian?

Are you Catholic? yes.
Does you Church DICTATE a Catholics Beliefs in accordance with A Government ? Vatican City /holy see?
Yes.
Are you a citizen of the US? If so...No Church dictates beliefs according TO the US Government!

Once again

Once Again? LOL. This is the first discussion on this topic....

your theory falls flat.

LOL False Claim Mary. Not a theory.

The Government of the Vatican City/ Holy See IS intertwined with Catholicism...
LOL ... the head of the Vatican City And the the Catholic Church IS THE SAME Person! Duh!

The US Government HAS No STATE Religion!

How many countries apply Islamic law (sharia)

compared to Catholic doctrine?

.

Who cares how many? you? you go research it. I don't care how many, nor was that a Point I made.

Once again.....your theory doesn't hold water.....

Respectfully, Mary

Obviously you don't comprehend the Point!

The POINT has NOTHING to do with How many ANYTHING...

The Point is certain countries have STATE (referred to as country) Religions.

The US Does Not.

Your Religious Leader IS the Religious Leader OF A STATE (country).

Your Religious Leader CAN via Laws of the State Keep Secrets of political AND appointed religeous underlings....and have done so for YEARS....particularly...having to do with SEX..
Pregnancies of nuns; homosexual encounters;
Molestation and rape of children and sex with congregants....all the while publically preaching AGAINST such behaviors...
It's called Hypocrisy...and Reflects on the WHOLE of it congregants, regardless of which catholic church you attend...you Leader remains the Same.

A Protestant with an hypocritical preacher can leave that church AnD THAT corrupt leader...and go to another Protestant church WITH A DIFFERENT church leader.

Glory to God...Thee Only Holy Father,
Taken