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shnarkle

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It certainly is possible! Just go to the top of a tall mountain where you can look out over the sea, I promise you, you'll see we are on a ball. You ask me to ignore what I see for myself.

Tell me, in the FE, what diameter are the sun and moon?

I used to occasionally take hikes up to Mount Diablo in Contra Costa County. This peak provides a spectacular view of the Pacific ocean so I know what you're talking about. I've also been to the top of Half Dome in Yosemite which is more than double the height of Mt. Diablo, and yet Yosemite yields nothing to indicate any curvature of the earth.

This is a great video, and shows how simple observations can suggest that the earth is flat. What is it about his analysis that is incorrect? This is not some guy playing tricks with his equipment. it's easily reproducible, and many have done it repeatedly with the same results. The error isn't in his formulas or equations or his calculation either. It's a matter of perspective, and perspective can't prove the shape of the earth anymore than it can prove that parallels lines on a train track meet a few hundred yards down the track.

 

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I used to occasionally take hikes up to Mount Diablo in Contra Costa County. This peak provides a spectacular view of the Pacific ocean so I know what you're talking about. I've also been to the top of Half Dome in Yosemite which is more than double the height of Mt. Diablo, and yet Yosemite yields nothing to indicate any curvature of the earth.

This is a great video, and shows how simple observations can suggest that the earth is flat. What is it about his analysis that is incorrect? This is not some guy playing tricks with his equipment. it's easily reproducible, and many have done it repeatedly with the same results. The error isn't in his formulas or equations or his calculation either. It's a matter of perspective, and perspective can't prove the shape of the earth anymore than it can prove that parallels lines on a train track meet a few hundred yards down the track.


The interesting thing to note about this video is how we can see curvature between the beach and the platforms, and yet we can also see a horizon that rises up BEHIND the platforms. See the problem?
 

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I'm not a FE proponent so I'm not familiar with their models.

The next time you're up on Mt. Everest or whatever mountain you supposedly saw the curvature of the earth, take a metal piece of pipe, half inch diameter is big enough. Level it, and look through it. See anything? You should see a line; it's the horizon. Logic dictates that you shouldn't see anything but sky due to the fact that parallel lines never cross or intersect. As I pointed out before, the problem is that the horizon rises up to meet you wherever you are. You simply can't get far enough up into the sky to rise above the horizon. Even from 30,000 ft in the sky, you can see clouds far off in the distance at the same elevation, but you can't see the bottoms of them regardless of how far away they are. Here again, logic dictates that they should curve along with the curvature of the earth. The problem is that the earth is too large to see that far.

30k feet up in the air may seem like a high elevation, but in comparison to how high one needs to actually go to see the curvature of the earth it isn't nearly high enough. When we factor in the fact that the atmosphere is about as thin as a sheet of paper by comparison to the size of the earth, this should give us a better idea of the magnitude of what we're dealing with.
When I was having this discussion with someone a few years ago, I went online, and googled up some tourists photos from that particular mountain top. Interestingly, I could lay a ruler over the horizon as seen on those pics, to see that the horizon did in fact curve, just like it appears to the eye. It's true for the camera also.

High enough mountain, near enough the ocean, wide enough field of view.

I have a friend who is totally into this stuff. I'm aware of their models, and they don't work.

If the sun gets to far away we can't even see it's light, then it should be shrinking to a dot and it's not. It's the same size right overhead, and at "sunset", when it should be 1000's of miles away while only 30-something miles in diameter. That plenty for perspective to show the difference. But it doesn't.

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Byrd posted a link I found interesting - it considered why it is difficult to impossible for a reasonable person to win an argument with someone who is irrational. I wish it was still around - it even used FEers as an example
 

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Byrd posted a link I found interesting - it considered why it is difficult to impossible for a reasonable person to win an argument with someone who is irrational. I wish it was still around - it even used FEers as an example
Some FE people may be irrational, but it is important to note that they have an argument that we're not addressing. Simply pointing out that we can deduce a spherical earth from observations isn't enough. There are numerous posts refuting their arguments as well as pointing out the error in using perspective to prove much of anything. This goes for people who know the earth is round as well. There's an episode of a program on the History channel, the name escapes me at the moment, but they show a bridge crossing Lake Champlain in Louisiana. It's something like 23 or 24 miles long. At the end of the day after they've poured all their cement footings and the bridge is complete, the added cement to make up for the curvature of the earth is all of one inch more roadway. That's still a lot of cement, but it's not much longer than a bridge on a flat earth. One extra inch for over 23 miles doesn't seem like enough, does it? It's more than enough because we're talking about incomprehensible relationships of scale.
 

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Okay,
I used to occasionally take hikes up to Mount Diablo in Contra Costa County. This peak provides a spectacular view of the Pacific ocean so I know what you're talking about. I've also been to the top of Half Dome in Yosemite which is more than double the height of Mt. Diablo, and yet Yosemite yields nothing to indicate any curvature of the earth.

This is a great video, and shows how simple observations can suggest that the earth is flat. What is it about his analysis that is incorrect? This is not some guy playing tricks with his equipment. it's easily reproducible, and many have done it repeatedly with the same results. The error isn't in his formulas or equations or his calculation either. It's a matter of perspective, and perspective can't prove the shape of the earth anymore than it can prove that parallels lines on a train track meet a few hundred yards down the track.

I finally located the formula for calculating the curvature of the earth. I thought it was only 4 inches, but it's more.

8 inches per mile as the most accurate estimate. It means that for every mile of the distance between you and a second object, the curvature will obstruct 8 inches of its height.

Keep that in mind while you're watching that video. The math is correct, and your eyes aren't deceiving you, but in the end it doesn't add up at least according to what we're looking at. This is why perspective is useless in determining the shape of the earth. The thing to notice is that the horizon behind the oil rigs is higher than the oil rigs themselves which are already supposed to be curving down. As a surfer, this would indicate a tsunami is on its way.
 
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I have a long time friend that is a Brother in Christ that firmly believes the earth is flat based on Scripture. He reads the Bible literally, every word. How can I, from a Biblical standpoint show him the truth? We've been going back and forth for months. He thinks I'm deceived and lying to him. He also thinks the world is in a conspiracy to hide the flat earth because exposing it would deny evolution. He does his own laser tests over frozen lakes and completely denies any scientific proof of a Globe earth. He denies outer space, the moon landing and thinks the sun and moon are small and close, and thinks the moon creates its own light. He firmly believes the Firmament is solid.


In the beginning Jesus divided a body of water from top to bottom with the sky and from the water below made to appear the earth. There is a large body of water above the sky and it is held there by the word of Christ.

Psalm 148:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

The world is lying about what is beyond the sky: the powers of this world know whats up there.
 

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In the beginning Jesus divided a body of water from top to bottom with the sky and from the water below made to appear the earth. There is a large body of water above the sky and it is held there by the word of Christ.

Psalm 148:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

The world is lying about what is beyond the sky: the powers of this world know whats up there.

The powers of this world know a lot of things that you and I will probably never know. What makes you think what is above the sky is so important rather than any of the numerous other things they already know?
 

shnarkle

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In the beginning Jesus divided a body of water from top to bottom with the sky and from the water below made to appear the earth. There is a large body of water above the sky and it is held there by the word of Christ.

Psalm 148:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

The world is lying about what is beyond the sky: the powers of this world know whats up there.

The powers of this world know a lot of things that you and I will probably never know. What makes you think what is above the sky is so important rather than any of the numerous other things they already know?