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Discussion in 'Unorthodox Doctrine Forum' started by Jeff Wiebe, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. Jeff Wiebe

    Jeff Wiebe Member

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    I have a long time friend that is a Brother in Christ that firmly believes the earth is flat based on Scripture. He reads the Bible literally, every word. How can I, from a Biblical standpoint show him the truth? We've been going back and forth for months. He thinks I'm deceived and lying to him. He also thinks the world is in a conspiracy to hide the flat earth because exposing it would deny evolution. He does his own laser tests over frozen lakes and completely denies any scientific proof of a Globe earth. He denies outer space, the moon landing and thinks the sun and moon are small and close, and thinks the moon creates its own light. He firmly believes the Firmament is solid.
     
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    I wouldn't bother, but fwiw a Q they never seem able to answer is where does the bottom half of the sunset go :)
     
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    I know a guy who's all into this flat earth nonesense, and nothing convinces him. It's a badge of honor.

    I know for myself that the islands I cannot see over the horizon even on the clearest day I can see with an inversion layer. I know they are there. I've seen them. But I can't normally. That can only happen on a curved earth.

    I know the sun and moon appear the same size when near the horizon as when directly overhead. I've seen that for myself. But that doesn't happen if the sun and moon run in a circle over a flat earth. It would be just like an approaching train, small on the horizon, bigger and faster as it nears, big as life as it passes, then retreating, smaller, to disappear at the horizon. But it's not that way.

    Corialis effects in water and artilary can't be faked.

    And air travel times! Look at their map! A flight from Brazil to Nigeria is enormously longer on a flat earth. The airline schedules are all wrong! Oh! Wait. That's how long the flights actually last. So. Either globe earth, or supersonic transport. If supersonic transport, I think people would catch on!

    But none of these convince my friend.

    Much love!
    Mark
     
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  4. Jeff Wiebe

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    Yup, same thing with my friend. How he gets such a misunderstanding of Scripture though is beyond me. And he thinks I'm messed up and lying.
     
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    I would take great exception to being told I was lying.

    If he's happy living in a dream world I'd leave him there and concentrate on Christian fellowship.
     
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    Your friend "receives" bits of TRUTH, and "trusts" those "bits" as the "WHOLE TRUTH".

    We can KNOW, "WATER" existed BEFORE the creation God established for an "ESTATE" of His holy angels, and Gods "THRONE"...
    CALLED HEAVEN.

    We can KNOW, "LAND" was CREATED, Within a WATER MASS, and such LAND was "established" for an "ESTATE" of manKIND and animalKIND of things, thee Lord God would then create AND make.
    CALLED EARTH. (Ie DRY LAND).

    Nothing whatsoever, revealed the DRY LAND was "FLAT". It did reveal, the LAND was VOID...void of seeds, plants, bodies, life, water, etc.

    By and through Gods POWER..."out of the Earth" God brought forth, VIA "HIS CREATIONS)...water, seeds, plants, bodies (of manKIND, of beastKINDS), and God Himself with HIS BREATH, "gave those CREATED manKIND and beastKINDS of things"...LIFE...
    Resulting in those makKIND and beastKINDS of things...to be "MADE" manifested into "LIVING KINDS of things".

    ManKIND of LIVING things...were given the "ESTATE" of DRY LAND...and authority OVER, the "beastKINDS" of things, on Dry land and IN the surrounding WATERS.

    Gen 6
    reveals "a flood" covering ALL dry land, from water under the dry earth.

    Gen 7:10
    The FOUNTAIN of THE DEEP, "breaking up."
    IS the First CLUE, "SOMETHING" "UNDER" the "DRY LAND" was happening.

    Gen 7:10
    Reveals "Heaven" is "opened".
    To know what that MEANS, is to KNOW, a Firmament OF WATER, under Heaven and above the Earth (dry Land), was OPENED...
    Causing RAIN water to Fall down to the Earth.
    Firmament (Gen 1: 6-20)

    WET LAND SHIFTING, causes WATER to SHIFT. And ANY LAND (Dry or Wet) GREATLY SHIFTING IS routinely Caused by the POWER of God, (regardless of what WE call the shifting) The "Result" ON DRY land IS PLAINLY SEEN.

    What is REVEALED..."AFTER"
    The Flood of water coming up out of the earth...
    And
    The breaking up of the fountains under the earth...
    And the firmament under heaven opening and rain falling upon the earth

    "IS"...the water UPON the "EARTH" having BEEN "MADE" "WET"....was present for 150 days.....AND "THEN" begins "ASSUAGING".

    The water UPON the "WET" Land that WAS "DRY LAND"....begins RETURNING to the fountains of the Deep...and returning up to the firmament of mist/water...Under Heaven and Above the earth.

    After the water is Assuaged....men could SEE the "results" of the Great Waters UPON the earth....

    Before the FLOOD...
    Gen 2:5 reveals "fields" on the dry land.
    Gen 6 reveals the FLOOD.
    After the FLOOD...
    Gen 7:19 reveals "hills" on the dry land.
    Gen 7:20 reveals "mountains" on the dry land

    Ex 19:18 reveals "QUAKES" upon the dry land
    Of MOUNTAINS situated as dry land.

    1 Samuel 14:15 reveals "QUAKES" upon the dry land OF FIELDS situated as dry land.

    Whether or not God "CREATED" the Dry earth AS "FLAT" is never revealed.

    What IS revealed, IS,
    BEFORE man left the Garden...
    there were Fields...with fruit trees, herbs and seeds; provided and prepared by God for FOOD of man and animal KINDS of things to Eat.

    What IS revealed, IS,
    WHEN mankinds Wickedness was SO GREAT upon the Earth...God causing the "Breaking up of the fountains under the earth"....CAUSED the Dry earth to become ENTIRELY WET....AND the opening of the firmament under Heaven...caused RAIN to fall AND COVER UP even the Mountains formed upon the earth.

    What is further revealed...AFTER the FLOOD..the NATIONS (peoples) were DIVIDED.

    What is revealed...in the days of PELEG, the Earth was Divided.

    The direct line of father to son generations of Noah, who was SAVED, being lifted UP above the Earth and Destruction of the Earth with water...was also Noah's son SHEM..
    And born after the flood was assuaged...WAS;
    Shems son Arphaxad..
    Arphaxads son Salah..
    Salahs son Eber..
    Ebers son PELEG...and in those days was the earth DIVIDED.

    EARTH "IS"FLAT? No. One only needs to Open their EYES and SEE....WHAT "WAS" dry land "without hills and without mountains"...
    "HAS" Become .... "WITH" hills and "WITH" mountains...and SEPARATED with Masses of WATER.

    Mans Wickedness...upon the earth...
    Reveals...Gods Power, to "destroy" the earth, WITH THE EARTH...

    Gods POWER...to unleash Water, to FLOOD the earth.

    Gods POWER...to QUAKE / Shake, the EARTH, to reveal high hills, to reveal high mountains, and to cause mountains to shift and fall.

    God destroys man OFF the face of the Earth...
    "WITH" the Earth.

    Gen 6: [13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

    UNTIL the Earth IS RENEWED...men will CONTINUE to be Destroyed off the face of the earth.....WITH the earth.

    WHEN the Earth "IS" Renewed...There shall be NO MORE SEAS. (Rev 21:1)


    God Bless,
    Taken
     
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    He isn't debating this. EARTH "IS"FLAT? No. One only needs to Open their EYES and SEE....WHAT "WAS" dry land "without hills and without mountains"...
    "HAS" Become .... "WITH" hills and "WITH" mountains...and SEPARATED with Masses of WATER. He thinks the earth is a flat disc with a solid dome and the sun, moon and stars are inside this dome. He thinks because one of the Stong's definitions for Firmament depicts it as a solid that there is a solid dome with water above. He thinks there are openings in the Firmament that God opened to allow the water to escape and flood the earth.
     
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    My daughter had a builder building her house, who is a firm believer in the flat earth. they have tea during his brake times and she said it was very, very convincing indeed. :)

    But, why the time changes ...why can't we all be the same time?
    Oh whoops...it is dark in some places...yet we all have just one sun.

    Fun topic...thank you :)
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    I can’t believe you guys are dragging this noble truth through the mud like this.....it makes me want to jump right off the edge.....
     
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    Um . . . I thought we weren't allowed to go to the edge! :confused:
     
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    Although I do not agree that the earth is flat, I find myself wondering what difference it makes- in reality to a persons faith. You must spend so much time trying to convince one another, is that not a distraction ( as many things are ) and gets in the way. I mean both of you must come away from many discussion frustrated and bothered that the other person cannot see it.
    I am beginning to realise how much time we waste endeavouring to change another persons mind on something that really has no relevance to the gospel message - and ends up creating a negative rather than allowing diversity to exist between Christians.

    This is only my opinion X X
    Rita
     
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    Not saying I understand the whole Bible, I doubt anyone does. But when my friend has such a bad misunderstanding I wonder what else he has misunderstood and it bothers me. Debating each other also helps us study the word. Flat earth in my mind is another deception and it creates conflict among us. Helping him see the truth is important. If he believes in this flat earth dome system he is believing in a limited God. That's a different God than what I believe in and what his word tells us about him. How anyone can deny what God created for everyone to see is hard for me to understand.
     
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    the sad part is OG Flat Earthers had a spiritual point that imo they were making quite well, albeit unforcefully.
    which is why we have this new batch of militants i guess.

    but back in the day their whole point seemed more focused around "practically speaking, a man walks on a flat earth."
    And after all what good has come from getting a globe-earth perspective? microwave ovens? woo-hoo
    oh ya and crushing debt
     
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    Just keep on walking straight and you will come to the edge eventually, of course, walking on water may be required.
     
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    I wouldn't bother spending any time on it. The inventions that people create go on infinitum. Just look at the stories of the many indigenous people around the world in regards to creation and so forth. Its pure fantasy, the product of a deluded mind.

    You probably know the saying, 'a man persuaded against his will is of the same opinion still'
     
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    Tell your friend, "There is a higher truth."
    Then tell him, "In order to perceive this 'higher truth' you need to meet with him and study the scriptures from the air", that you need to meet him "on an airplane."
    Once in flight, open the scriptures and read the first sentence: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
    Then point out the window at the curvature of the earth and show him the truth.

    If he still believes the earth is flat, tell him the scriptures say he should pluck out his eyes, for they have offended him.

    Oh, and, tell him you love him.
     
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    I am amazed how this flat earth stuff is becoming more prominent. I believe to much Sola Scriptura
     
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    If the earth was flat then cats would've already pushed everything over the edge.
     
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    Yep ... That's the meme I saw that from!
     
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