Giuliano,
For a guy who is brand new to this forum, you are one very presumptuous individual who wants to argue rather than accept the truth, and at the same time refuses to believe that Jesus if God.
So let me guess, you consider yourself the local dispenser of truth and if anyone disagrees with you, he's presumptuous? Give me a break if that's what you believe. And you're the fellow who said anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of the Bible about whether Jesus is God has the spirit of antichrist? Come now.
Why do you start out with something that is totally irrelevant?
You have an amazing way of being able to ignore context when dealing with the Scriptures. When John wrote that passage, he was warning his readers about false prophets. That's why I brought up the matter of what kind of leader I would not trust.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Got it? Shall I go on? Now of course, Jesus himself was filled with the Holy Spirit. God was made manifest in the flesh. How else could he have been resurrected? And we should believe the 120 were also filled with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. We can believe then that they knew what they were talking about.
If you are a member of a church, then look for your spiritual leaders in your own church. When you come to a forum such as this you have two options (1) communicate Bible truth by rightly dividing the Word of Truth
You have fallen for a mistranslation, a very poor translation at that. When I read that verse, "something" told me to look at the original Greek. The word "divide" is wrong. The Word is what divides other things! The Word itself is not something we divide, taking this or that.
2 Timothy 2:15 - Bible Gateway
or (2) promote you false beliefs and hope someone falls for them.
Instead of vainly proclaiming my beliefs false and defaming me by implying I wish to deceive people, why not begin to take the Bible a little more seriously?
This is a totally BIZARRE statement.
I see you like to be dramatic. You seem to enjoy demeaning me and perhaps others too.
Christians don't merely *pretend* to know what happened 2000 or even 6000 years ago. God has given us a divine revelation in the Bible, therefore we know WITHOUT THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT that it is true. and the Gospels are a historical record of the life and ministry of Jesus of Nazareth.
Your wobbly faith is showing. People get excited like this mostly when they feel threatened. I see really now that you know very little. You only think you know. That is why you get rattled.
You state things which are simply impossible to believe. You may want to believe the Bible is all a divine revelation that is completely true; but that tells me you read it without understanding what you read; or if you understood it when reading it, you forgot it soon after.
Here is a little test for you. Can you tell me what Pilate had written above Jesus on the cross? If the Gospels are "a historical record," what should we think when each Gospel says something different? I doubt you could tell me what was actually written. I wonder if you could come to an intelligent guess?
Now you are showing YOUR TRUE COLORS
. Had you understood what the Bible was revealing here, you would have also understood that no man has seen GOD THE FATHER.
I would say that you are likely guilty of what you accuse me of. You have added to the Scripture to suit your own fancy. What does say about you?
Would God tell Israel something that wasn't true? According to you, perhaps He would?
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
You also seemed to forget what Jesus told the woman at the well.
John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
While I disagree with Jews on many things, I must acknowledge that the One True God was revealed to them. I do not believe in some god that changes over time.
Which does not mean that no man has seen GOD THE SON. Jesus is God who took human form -- "God (Theos) manifest in the flesh". So your comment is telling everyone here that you do not believe that Jesus is God!
You use language that is not familiar, language not in my Bible. "God the Son"? Why doesn't "Son of God" which is in the Bible enough for you? And "God who took human form"? Do you also believe that Adam was God since he was made in the image and likeness of God? Of course you don't. Have you never wondered why Jesus' title "Son of Man" was so important? He was asserting he was in the proper image and likeness of God, as Adam had been before the Fall.
And what does the word "manifest" mean? It means something like "revealed." If the wind blows your hat away, does that mean you saw the wind? You can't see it, but you also can't deny "something" is there manifesting and being revealed.
Now you are showing how presumptuous a brand new poster (with false doctrines) can be.
Are you accusing me here or simply pretending to be super-spiritual?
You do like to call names, don't you? Perhaps over time, I may understand the reason for your negativity.
I was doing neither when I wrote that: It was a statement of fact that people can lie?
It is scarcely enough for someone with unclean lips to mouth some words without understanding and correct intention. People can lie.
When someone talks about "the Christ Spirit" he is showing Gnostic tendencies (which were and are heretical).
There is no such thing as "the Christ Spirit making it possible to do the Father's works". Jesus -- who is God -- is in the Father, and the Father is in Him. At the same time He was always and continually filled with the Holy Spirit (the third Person of the triune Godhead). At the same time He was totally subject to the Father while He was on earth.
Here again you use some language and ideas not found in my Bible. I find it "bizarre" (to borrow a word you used of my ideas) for someone who claims the Bible as his guide.
Also, the passage under discussion had nothing to do with the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer.
So what you did is go off on a tangent because you misrepresented what was being said about false teachers -- that they denied that Jesus Christ had come in the flesh -- that Jesus of Nazareth was God who had come in human form.
I will grant you one thing. It is possible to read 1 John 4:2-3 as about Jesus only; but you are -- well, simply wrong to be blunt about it -- when you say the passage in question had nothing to do with the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer. Read the whole chapter again if you don't believe me. The text says nothing about Jesus of Nazareth being God who came in human form -- nothing -- please stop inventing things.
I would expect false teachers who want to see men and women led to destruction to deny that God was manifested in the flesh of Jesus and to teach others that God cannot manifest in their flesh as well.